Arabic should become the single official national language in all muslim countries

[Daryeh]

Dear Daryeh, there areseveral reasons.
Genetically the populations re quite mixed, but the ain core of Arenians patrilineally is related to R1b haplogroup, while caucasians are G or J1 or J2.
But that isn't the main point.
Geographically the ountains in Arenia are part of he Armenian Highland that goes from modern armenia to modern turkey and is separated both geographically and geologically from the Caucasus.
Culturally we are close to Iranians specially as i said the west Iranians (look e.g. on the dances of Armenians, Kurds, Lurs, Bakhtiyars...). Our Phenotype is also uch more related to Iranic people, but not to Caucasian.

It is not hate to caucasians that makes me say that, but simply the differences we have.
I don't have any dislike for caucasian peoples or their culture. But to call us all caucasians is done usually by ignorant russian skinheads.

For sure there are soe assimilated caucasians among armenians, but their culture, raditions and phenotype did never prevail.

Caucasians are usually much more light than us, Our culture is based more on community, while the caucasian is based more on individual.

So there are really big differences on that behalf.

Armenia is now a limited region that borders with two caucasian countries, but if you consider it fro a historical point of view (most of historical Arenia is nowdays east and southeast Turkey), it should be even more evident that our relation to caucasians isquite limited.

People from north western Iran seem similar to Armenians because they are the same as the ethnic groups across the northern border in Azerbaijan, Armenia, Turkey. Iran ruled over much of that region, part of the Caucasus still remains geographically in Iran and its people have assimilated into a broader Iranian/Persian identity.

That's not my opinion, it's just what I've understood from reading a little on the history of that region. But anyway, people are free to identify as they wish. Armenians seem pretty mixed so I can understand why some feel closer to Iran and the rest of the Middle East.

[Daryeh]

You know a LOT about Iranians. .....are you from Iran?

I'm not no- there are so few good books on the history of ancient Afghanistan that I end up reading books on Iran where they sometimes mention regions in Afghanistan too.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I'm not no- there are so few good books on the history of ancient Afghanistan that I end up reading books on Iran where they sometimes mention regions in Afghanistan too.

But you spell 'Darya' as 'Daryeh' which is more of an Iranian transliteration.

[Qami]

People from north western Iran seem similar to Armenians because they are the same as the ethnic groups across the northern border in Azerbaijan, Armenia, Turkey. Iran ruled over much of that region, part of the Caucasus still remains geographically in Iran and its people have assimilated into a broader Iranian/Persian identity.

That's not my opinion, it's just what I've understood from reading a little on the history of that region. But anyway, people are free to identify as they wish. Armenians seem pretty mixed so I can understand why some feel closer to Iran and the rest of the Middle East.

Dear Daryeh, it is not about ones wish or my personal wish. First of all, genetically Iranian Azeris aren't the same as us, hey have enough differences and in 80% of cases you not only can distinguish but cannot istake the for us. On the other hand even Azeris and Azerbaijanis are different as he Azerbaijanis are turkified people of different origin.

Concerning the Caucasus , you are wrong. The Caucasus ends in northern part of Azerbaijan republic and isn't part of Iran. What is part of Iran are parts of the Armenian Highland, that is the northern piece of mountainous formations that stretch allover Iran.
It is not for nationalistic reasons that I call it Armenian highland, it is just its Geographic term.
Armenians are not more mixed than other populations around there or here in Iran, but we have a core and that core is typically indoeuropean, it is however distinct fro Indoiranians. But on the early stages of our being we influenced each other and on later stages the Arenians got influenced.
Our language is very related to indoiranic languages. Moreover, we can find specific common features even with Pashto (e.g. the verb infinitive in Pashto is very similar to the Armenian verb infinitive, the words in -tun seem something common.....).
So it is not out of wish of identification or so.

But if you are in identification questions, just ask a caucasian guy (like georgian or chechen) whom he doesn't consider caucasian, and first of all they will tell two peoples Armenians and Ossetians.
The thing is that Armenia isn't located even in the caucasus, but Ossetia is.

What you are saying is like saying that Panjabi and Pashtun are same, what is not the case, also there may be some cases of common genes. That doesn't make them one.

Still you will be culturally closer than we and the caucasians.

By the way the term Caucasian is very artificial and geographic, because we have at least 3-4 groups of caucasians that neither linguistically nor genetically are related, what related them is that being neighbors they adopted common cultural features. (that by the way is concerning also Ossetians, who not being linguistically Caucasians, although any genetically are, have not so different culture fro their neighbors, or at least share some cultural features).
We Armenians do not share those feature, neither our folk dances, neither our music, neither our moral codes, neither our mentality, neither our mythology and traditional belief system are related to the caucasian, but the are closely related to vedic and avestan.

That however didn't disturb us from having fro ancient ties good relations wth the caucasians.In fact during invasions in the past, Ibers (georgians), Aghvans (Lezgis) and us were defending our lands together.

You should widen your knowledge on our area.


Having said that, again i repeat, there is nothing bad in being caucasian over indo-european, just we are different and it's not on me or you to change that.

In fact there are armenian migrants in russia with low education, that follow the russian cliche of being called caucasians and try to adopt caucasian culture, but it mostly goes wrong, as such people are looked strange by those that keep their culture.

[Qami]

But you spell 'Darya' as 'Daryeh' which is more of an Iranian transliteration.

No , in Iranian Farsi Darya is still darya, because it ends with Alef.

دریا, only words that end with ه show that change from a short A in Tajik and Dari to an E in Iranian Farsi. Like Zira-Zire, Doyra-Doyre or names like Fatima-Fateme, Farzana-Farzane....


The H that is written is never pronounced, it is written just to transcribe it correctly from the Persian script. as ه in Persian is usually the H sound, but in word endings after consonants it is read as E not as H.

By the way in Tajik orthography the long A is reduced to an O. So transcribed from cyrillic Tajiks write Daryo ( Дарё)

[Daryeh]

But you spell 'Darya' as 'Daryeh' which is more of an Iranian transliteration.

My username isn't darya, it doesn't mean anything in Farsi.

[Daryeh]

Dear Daryeh, it is not about ones wish or my personal wish. First of all, genetically Iranian Azeris aren't the same as us, hey have enough differences and in 80% of cases you not only can distinguish but cannot istake the for us. On the other hand even Azeris and Azerbaijanis are different as he Azerbaijanis are turkified people of different origin.

Concerning the Caucasus , you are wrong. The Caucasus ends in northern part of Azerbaijan republic and isn't part of Iran. What is part of Iran are parts of the Armenian Highland, that is the northern piece of mountainous formations that stretch allover Iran.
It is not for nationalistic reasons that I call it Armenian highland, it is just its Geographic term.
Armenians are not more mixed than other populations around there or here in Iran, but we have a core and that core is typically indoeuropean, it is however distinct fro Indoiranians. But on the early stages of our being we influenced each other and on later stages the Arenians got influenced.
Our language is very related to indoiranic languages. Moreover, we can find specific common features even with Pashto (e.g. the verb infinitive in Pashto is very similar to the Armenian verb infinitive, the words in -tun seem something common.....).
So it is not out of wish of identification or so.

But if you are in identification questions, just ask a caucasian guy (like georgian or chechen) whom he doesn't consider caucasian, and first of all they will tell two peoples Armenians and Ossetians.
The thing is that Armenia isn't located even in the caucasus, but Ossetia is.

What you are saying is like saying that Panjabi and Pashtun are same, what is not the case, also there may be some cases of common genes. That doesn't make them one.

Still you will be culturally closer than we and the caucasians.

By the way the term Caucasian is very artificial and geographic, because we have at least 3-4 groups of caucasians that neither linguistically nor genetically are related, what related them is that being neighbors they adopted common cultural features. (that by the way is concerning also Ossetians, who not being linguistically Caucasians, although any genetically are, have not so different culture fro their neighbors, or at least share some cultural features).
We Armenians do not share those feature, neither our folk dances, neither our music, neither our moral codes, neither our mentality, neither our mythology and traditional belief system are related to the caucasian, but the are closely related to vedic and avestan.

That however didn't disturb us from having fro ancient ties good relations wth the caucasians.In fact during invasions in the past, Ibers (georgians), Aghvans (Lezgis) and us were defending our lands together.

You should widen your knowledge on our area.


Having said that, again i repeat, there is nothing bad in being caucasian over indo-european, just we are different and it's not on me or you to change that.

In fact there are armenian migrants in russia with low education, that follow the russian cliche of being called caucasians and try to adopt caucasian culture, but it mostly goes wrong, as such people are looked strange by those that keep their culture.

Yeah I agree there are noticeable differences between people from north Caucasus and countries like Armenia and Azerbaijan, they're not related. Armenians still have more in common genetically and culturally with Turkey than Iran. Although people in north and western Iran, the Levant, Turkey and Armenia all share genetic and cultural similarities because of long periods of migration and cultural exchange.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

My username isn't darya, it doesn't mean anything in Farsi.

which language is it from? Is it like "dar yeh" which is Pashto, but a sentence fragment.

da kom zai yeh?

[Daryeh]

which language is it from? Is it like "dar yeh" which is Pashto, but a sentence fragment.

da kom zai yeh?

It doesn't mean anything to be honest, I'm not good at usernames. I'm not Iranian or Pashtun, I'm Tajik.

[Akbar]

which language is it from? Is it like "dar yeh" which is Pashto, but a sentence fragment.

da kom zai yeh?

that doesn't make sense.
its definately not pashto.

i think its streching it to make that claim.

[Qami]

Yeah I agree there are noticeable differences between people from north Caucasus and countries like Armenia and Azerbaijan, they're not related. Armenians still have more in common genetically and culturally with Turkey than Iran. Although people in north and western Iran, the Levant, Turkey and Armenia all share genetic and cultural similarities because of long periods of migration and cultural exchange.

Well, the reason why there are common genetic with Turkey is the Armenian genocide, where many people changed names and identities or children got raised specially by Kurds.
But Azerbaijan is a ix of Iranians (Tolish and Tat) and Lezgi and Avar (Caucasians) and many Kurds, and the majority - the Azerbaijani nation (few cultural Azeris and the majority of Turkified peopels from the minorities during Soviet times).

To understand what we have in common, you have to study our history, culture and language. Armenian is by far closer to Avestan than modern Farsi, because it kept ancient features and 85 % of Arenian oots are related to Avestan, Sanskrit or middle persian or Parthian, while in Iranian Farsi up to 60% is Arabic plus 10% Turkic. It is an oxymoron, but this is the situation nowdays
Culturally we ere related from very ancient times.
Iranians aren't however one nation as you said, so there are genetical differences between west, east, north, northeast, northwest, central, south, southeast....

We are closest not to the Azeris as You may think, but to Lurs, Kurds and Western Iranians. That is also why usually living in Iran I mistake those populations mostly for Armenians. Same happens with Zartoshtis, any of them look like us.
Azeris look way to different and are genetically also not directly close to Azerbaijanis.
There are exceptions, but in general it is alost impossible to mistake an Azeri from Iran for an Armenian.
Not that I say that because of Arenia-Azerbaijan conflict, because it is easier to find in Azerbaijan similar looking people than in Iranian Azerbaijan. However in specific regions you can easily find similar looking people.

But Iran is very heterogenous and Persians (by origin) are far different from eastern Iranians (khorasan etc.). Not to say about Baloch, that offer a great mix of phenotypes (From very fair to Dravidian, African, etc...).
In Armenia we have less variation phenotypically (although from ancient times we have a mix of genotypes), but the closeness of our comunity brought as a result that people have a more or less standard look. As an iranian girl who visited Armenia told me "Your men have all the same face...". While I don't share this view, however I can say that mostly we are easily recognizable in most cases.

[Qami]

It doesn't mean anything to be honest, I'm not good at usernames. I'm not Iranian or Pashtun, I'm Tajik.

Kujoyi hasti jura jon? Az Tojikiston yo az Afghoniston?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

that doesn't make sense.
its definately not pashto.

i think its streching it to make that claim.

well there's "dar" as in dar ta or dar bande ...yeah it doens't "make sense" that's why I said it's a Fragment.

[Daryeh]

Kujoyi hasti jura jon? Az Tojikiston yo az Afghoniston?

Az Afghanistan.

[salman47]

Who are your friends? Lezgi or Georgians ?

The script we use by he way are related to the scripts in southern caucasus (georgian and Aghvanian scripts), but the languages aren't (except some words )

Some don't care, but the ones that do are Lezgi/Lazuri,,,
Hmm ye the scripts are related, its just that Georgian script looks like a cursive version of Armenian script!
Also since I am in Turkey, the hate towards Armenians is too high unfortunately!

P.S. I have no problem with Armenians(I think *u**e* had committed the Genocide against you Cousins(of ours) and most other Population(mostly Linguistic) here!)