Redrawing new provinces in Pakistan

[Kushan Prince]

What's with all these pakis joining this site all of a sudden? Seriously its like a Punjabi invasion from PKdefense or somewhere.

And I would ignore this "Pukhton" he is a fake.

[Smarty]

Also, as an aside, I have NEVER heard some of the things Punjabis say about Pashtoons from any Farsibaan, ever, except for a few times on a message board here and there. The tenor and feel of the relationship is much different between Pashtoons and Punjabis and Pashtoons and Farsibaans - the latter being more positive.

Punjabis are simply ignorant about most of the things about Pashtuns, they dont know us and judge us on the basis of pre-established stereotypes. Contrary to the common belief prevalent on these forums, most of the stereotypes about pashtuns in punjab are positive i.e we are perceived as brave/fearless, physically strong, mehman-nawaz, sincere and honest, ghairatmand, religious, men of their words etc. There are also negative stereotypes about us e.g sood-khor, homosexual, short-tempered/ angry men, wahabi etc.

The most noticeable thing about pashtuns in punjab is their religious activities and each sect of punjabis have different notions about them. Most of the punjabis are bareilvis who nominally follow islam, they consider pashtuns as wahabis so are wary of them in this regard. On the other hand Punjabis of deobandi school of thought, who are prominent in south punjabi, are good practicing Muslim and have great respect for pashtuns. The Punjabi taliban and other militant groups of punjab are these deobandis.

Farsiwans on the other hand are more closer to pashtuns but also have more poisonous attitude towards pashtuns. Tajiks are very open in their animosity towards pashtuns, their hate for pashtuns is on the par with mohajirs of karachi. also most of the anti-pashtun material on youtube is uploaded by tajiks.

[Pukhtoon]

Posts like these annoy me to no end. If you would like me to completely lie and exaggerate things with no semblance of reality then you can find other people to lie and pat you on the back. I try to be as objective as possible in my analyses and speak to the ground realities as I have seen them.

The ground realities are that Pashtoons in Pakistan are treated and disrespected much worse by their minority counterparts then Afghan Pashtoons by their minority counterparts, those are just facts. Pashto and Pashtoons are respected much more in Afghanistan then Pakistan, those are facts. How that makes a Farsibaan lover is idiotic - who is brainwashed here, me or you?

tiger khana,The afghan pashtuns like ,,pukhtoon,, care more for farsibans master then their fellow pashtuns.They are fully brainwashed.

I have no human master, maybe you do, you talk like a ghulam. We have always been independent and remain that way, Insha'Allah. Because you are a ghulam of Punjabis don't get it twisted about everyon else, maw sara hits wakht ghulumi jour ne rawzee, Insha'Allah aw Alhamdillah. Di khoday ghulam yum bas, taw ghundi nayum.

There are millions of pashtuns mixed up with farsibans.

Garbage - if anything, you only see this in Kabul, take a trip to Karachi, Lahore, Peshawar and straighten them out and then talk about the "millions of Pashtoons mixed with Farsibaans.

The duranis are lost in this case.They can,nt speak a word of pashtu and feel more comfotable with farsibans then pure pashtuns.

Garbage -exaggerations and fabrications, in no way shape or form have you lived in Afghanistan for any set period of time. If anything, the most nationalistic Pashtoons are Durrani. Only the DURRANI ROYAL FAMILY, who CONTROLLED Afghanistan, including NON-PASHTOONS, adopted Farsi language and culture because of the move to Kabul. Go tell the Durrani's in Helmand and Kandahar they have lost their culture, tell me how that goes. Tell some of the Durrani's here, who actually created the form your posting on about it. Your loiy lala, Mahmood Khan Achakzai, tell him about it.

The farsibans told them to call pashtunkhwa pashtuns pakistanis cus persains are scared of pashtun unity.

And? I already laid this out in my post, maybe you didn't understand what I wrote. Farsibaan say this, and Punjabyaan tell the Paki Pashtoons that were mixed with Farsibaans, just like your saying now. Did you ever think about that, maybe your the one that's brainwashed and your Punjabi propoganda?

I met an afghan pashtun from ,,kama,,who lived most of his life in buner pashtunkhwa.He could,nt speak parsi.When he went to kabul for some work and try to speak to the officail in pashtu.The man replied him speak in parsi or go away.He speak nangarhari pashtu was called by many in afghanistan pakistani.

And? People aren't racist? Does that mean everyone is? Did anyone say all of Afghanistan speaks Pashto? NO. I said its more prevalent in Afghanistan, I didn't say it had a complete monopoly and autonomy for Pashto speakers. I can give you one million stories about Farsibaans being attacked, stabbed, shot, family insulted, even being violated physically only because they spoke Farsi.

That doesn't mean all of us do it, but you have no idea who pushes who around in Afghanistan, its not what you think at all. The last 10 years since America has been in Afghanistan Farsibaans have been pushing hard to get more power so you see they have more clout in Government but that's to be expected as a large chunk of the Pashtoon population either supports the insurgency or supports neither the occupying forces or the insurgency so of course they won't be as represented in the anti-insurgency government. However, once the United States pulls out, the dynamic you see on the street, between regular kids and adults will play itself out on in other sectors as well, including government.

He speak nangarhari pashtu was called by many in afghanistan pakistani.

And maybe he was saying "G" or "Shukria" or "Daw teek dah" and they called him Pakistani? What do you call an Afghan Pashtoon who constantly says "Bale" and "Tushakur" when he talks? They don't call him Kabuli?

A farsi speaking quetawal hazara is more accepted as an afghan in afghanistan then pashu speaking pashtunkhwa pashtun.

Garbage, again, and don't quote me your 3 experiences that you heard of third hand as your proof. Do you know Hazaras are treated in Afghanistan? If a Hazara sees another Hazara, of course they will be friendly, other then that tell me how they are treated in Afghanistan let alone a Pakistani one. Again, complete garbage.


An Afghan Pashtoon picking a Farsibaan over a Pashtoon? LOL Have you even lived in KPK? You seriously want to bring that argument up? And are you now going to cite to a handful of expereinces, completely unsubstantiated, that YOU had? Let's play that game then because I have hundreds of stories of the great Pashtoon yawalay from the Pakistan side, yawalay and wroree with Punjab.

Borders

I don't know why any Pashtoon would cede anything to anyone, control the country with its minority groups as you did before and live as you did before. But your a defeatist, taking your ball and going home. Why should Pashtoons cede any land they fought, controlled, and died for over so many years? That's being conquered, your requesting to submit to someone elses will, how Pashtoon is that? If your such the Pashtoon purist, how could you even fathom such a thought?

Maybe your the one whose lost his culture.

[Pukhtoon]

Punjabis are simply ignorant about most of the things about Pashtuns, they dont know us and judge us on the basis of pre-established stereotypes. Contrary to the common belief prevalent on these forums, most of the stereotypes about pashtuns in punjab are positive i.e we are perceived as brave/fearless, physically strong, mehman-nawaz, sincere and honest, ghairatmand, religious, men of their words etc. There are also negative stereotypes about us e.g sood-khor, homosexual, short-tempered/ angry men, wahabi etc.

The most noticeable thing about pashtuns in punjab is their religious activities and each sect of punjabis have different notions about them. Most of the punjabis are bareilvis who nominally follow islam, they consider pashtuns as wahabis so are wary of them in this regard. On the other hand Punjabis of deobandi school of thought, who are prominent in south punjabi, are good practicing Muslim and have great respect for pashtuns. The Punjabi taliban and other militant groups of punjab are these deobandis.

Farsiwans on the other hand are more closer to pashtuns but also have more poisonous attitude towards pashtuns. Tajiks are very open in their animosity towards pashtuns, their hate for pashtuns is on the par with mohajirs of karachi. also most of the anti-pashtun material on youtube is uploaded by tajiks.

Manana wrora. On the Afghan side, I wouldn't say the religious thing is the same, religiously everyone is about the same in Afghanistan save for Salafist which are tame even then compared to ones I have met from other countries.

About the stereotypes, more or less the same in Afghanistan. Known for being hot-headed, always fighting, nar, ghairatmand, very klak, very generous, and very hospitable. It's really common for a Farsibaan to say, as a warning to someone, be careful, my son-in-law, brother-in-law, etc., is "Awghaan" (Pashtoon) because of their reputation or if a Pashtoon is generous you will hear, well of course, he's Pashtoon.

I agree with you 100% about the negative stuff you see on YouTube etc., but its much in the same vein as Punjabis, you never see anyone say that kind of thing in person, its internet badmaash from the West who do it. It's not the reality of things if you go walk through Kabul, no one talks like that because like this forum, there are no repercussions for what you say, people say many things here they wouldn't dare in public because in public, especially amongst Pashtoons, repercussions are swift. Especially during the Civil War times, though, it was pretty bad. If they heard someone speak Farsi, insults would be hurled and then stabbings and shootings but now not so much, a lot of the ethnic hatred is dying down but it was really high when we had the factional fighting, the Hazaras, the Uzbeks, the Tajiks, and the Pashtoons fighting.

[gadoonwal]

Posts like these annoy me to no end. If you would like me to completely lie and exaggerate things with no semblance of reality then you can find other people to lie and pat you on the back. I try to be as objective as possible in my analyses and speak to the ground realities as I have seen them.

The ground realities are that Pashtoons in Pakistan are treated and disrespected much worse by their minority counterparts then Afghan Pashtoons by their minority counterparts, those are just facts. Pashto and Pashtoons are respected much more in Afghanistan then Pakistan, those are facts. How that makes a Farsibaan lover is idiotic - who is brainwashed here, me or you?



I have no human master, maybe you do, you talk like a ghulam. We have always been independent and remain that way, Insha'Allah. Because you are a ghulam of Punjabis don't get it twisted about everyon else, maw sara hits wakht ghulumi jour ne rawzee, Insha'Allah aw Alhamdillah. Di khoday ghulam yum bas, taw ghundi nayum.



Garbage - if anything, you only see this in Kabul, take a trip to Karachi, Lahore, Peshawar and straighten them out and then talk about the "millions of Pashtoons mixed with Farsibaans.



Garbage -exaggerations and fabrications, in no way shape or form have you lived in Afghanistan for any set period of time. If anything, the most nationalistic Pashtoons are Durrani. Only the DURRANI ROYAL FAMILY, who CONTROLLED Afghanistan, including NON-PASHTOONS, adopted Farsi language and culture because of the move to Kabul. Go tell the Durrani's in Helmand and Kandahar they have lost their culture, tell me how that goes. Tell some of the Durrani's here, who actually created the form your posting on about it. Your loiy lala, Mahmood Khan Achakzai, tell him about it.



And? I already laid this out in my post, maybe you didn't understand what I wrote. Farsibaan say this, and Punjabyaan tell the Paki Pashtoons that were mixed with Farsibaans, just like your saying now. Did you ever think about that, maybe your the one that's brainwashed and your Punjabi propoganda?



And? People aren't racist? Does that mean everyone is? Did anyone say all of Afghanistan speaks Pashto? NO. I said its more prevalent in Afghanistan, I didn't say it had a complete monopoly and autonomy for Pashto speakers. I can give you one million stories about Farsibaans being attacked, stabbed, shot, family insulted, even being violated physically only because they spoke Farsi.

That doesn't mean all of us do it, but you have no idea who pushes who around in Afghanistan, its not what you think at all. The last 10 years since America has been in Afghanistan Farsibaans have been pushing hard to get more power so you see they have more clout in Government but that's to be expected as a large chunk of the Pashtoon population either supports the insurgency or supports neither the occupying forces or the insurgency so of course they won't be as represented in the anti-insurgency government. However, once the United States pulls out, the dynamic you see on the street, between regular kids and adults will play itself out on in other sectors as well, including government.



And maybe he was saying "G" or "Shukria" or "Daw teek dah" and they called him Pakistani? What do you call an Afghan Pashtoon who constantly says "Bale" and "Tushakur" when he talks? They don't call him Kabuli?



Garbage, again, and don't quote me your 3 experiences that you heard of third hand as your proof. Do you know Hazaras are treated in Afghanistan? If a Hazara sees another Hazara, of course they will be friendly, other then that tell me how they are treated in Afghanistan let alone a Pakistani one. Again, complete garbage.


An Afghan Pashtoon picking a Farsibaan over a Pashtoon? LOL Have you even lived in KPK? You seriously want to bring that argument up? And are you now going to cite to a handful of expereinces, completely unsubstantiated, that YOU had? Let's play that game then because I have hundreds of stories of the great Pashtoon yawalay from the Pakistan side, yawalay and wroree with Punjab.

Borders

I don't know why any Pashtoon would cede anything to anyone, control the country with its minority groups as you did before and live as you did before. But your a defeatist, taking your ball and going home. Why should Pashtoons cede any land they fought, controlled, and died for over so many years? That's being conquered, your requesting to submit to someone elses will, how Pashtoon is that? If your such the Pashtoon purist, how could you even fathom such a thought?

Maybe your the one whose lost his culture.

about your esponse,the simple answer is white lie.making fool of yourself not us.
A fact is fact.
I was never gulam and never will be.
The ordinary punjabis can,nt even face the pashtun anger in their punjab.
Come and show me how many punjabis bought land living in pashtunkhwa?
not even 1% of the total papulation.They do,nt cross attock unless there is a big deal.
On the other side pashtuns living in their land like they own it.
Many pashtuns doing businesses in punajb and was never been discriminated are abused.In fact the top dons in punjab are pashtuns.
The zangi khan and bangi khan momand in rawal pindi are runing the whole city.They have taken a large land from punjabis on gun point.The rajas and chaudry there laying on their feet.

If punjabis are realy that strong .They did everything possible to stop the renaming of pashtunkhwa then why they failed?
The allaince of sindis and pashtuns made it possible to rename pashtunkhwa and was given provincail atonomy.
Again there is conflict situation over the sources.
The ordinary punjabis got nothing to do with this.They are coward people.It is the establishment dominated by punjabi bureaucracy and terrorist isi.
Do,nt forget pashtuns are also involved there.
Did pashtuns of east ever ever asked afgahnis for help?
no
At present when millions of pashtuns displaced by the talib/isi terror who given them shelter and support?
The sindi leaders at one stage opposed the arrival of IDPS but to punjab they crossed freely.
Our own pashtuns helped them and never let them down.
I would say the peshawar valley pashtuns are the best and the most nationalists and pashtunists.
When the russains kicked you out we gave you the shelter.
When masood kicked you out we given you shelter.
At present whenever someone chased you ,you run to us.
And still we are bad ,gulam and you the slaves of tajiks are better.
The pashtuns here are absalutly not intrested in another club of parsiwans.
WE do not want to be part of pakistan and we do not want to live under persain rules where even in parlaiment persain make fun of pashtu.
Also i asked all kabulis here not to use fool language against us.
All of the above you are the slaves of over 30 nations.

[gadoonwal]

What's with all these pakis joining this site all of a sudden? Seriously its like a Punjabi invasion from PKdefense or somewhere.

And I would ignore this "Pukhton" he is a fake.

wrora,this forum is now dominated by parsiwans and pakilovers.
I am sure these people like ,bastan,pukhtoon,revol,khushal etc are not afghan-pashtun.These people are turning pashtun against pashtuns.
On the other side someone with name of evilpakistani and others coming here with fake names.
These people are gaining some success here.
I could,nt find a single afghan-pashtun defending pashtun rights and pashtu in afghanistan.If start telling the reality they get mad.
No one is asking them to kill parsiwans or so.
If you say anything in the support of pashtu and pashtun in afghanistan they waste no time by calling you paki and so.
For them faris and punjsheri rule is more important then anything els.
If we are pakistanis then whats the point by calling pashtunkhwa an afghanland?
Then let the durand stay where it is.Do,nt cross into our land and we would,nt.
Pashtuns on the east are living in much more rich land and can servive in any situation.They never asked for help from afghanistan.
something is going wrong here.These people turning us against our pashtu speaking brothers accross the border.
They are here and there with different names and ids.
Someone should check their ip addresses to find how many ids they have.

[Pukhtoon]

What white lies, whose the fool, me or you who didn't even respond to the post? Your full of it.

And still we are bad ,gulam and you the slaves of tajiks are better.

If you think Afghan Pashtoons are a slave to Farsibaans then I have no idea what that makes Pakistani Pashtoons. Here are the facts about Pakistan and Afghanistan

• Pashto was not even recognized as an official language in Pakistan without intense lobbying and with the permission Punjab
• Schooling is not done in Pashto even in KPK until recently and only then in a few grades but never in any other province like Islamabad, Lahore, Karachi, etc.
• Pashto is not a required language in government in Pakistan (its so meaningless to Pakistanis why would they even mention it in government, its a non-issue)
• Pashto is not required to be in all government documents, signs, and otherwise in Pakistan
• Pashto is not required to share equal time with Urdu in Pakistani media
• Pashto is not a mandatory subject for non-Pashto speakers in Pakistan
• Pashto history and culture is not taught in Pakistani schools rather, Punjabi history
• You cannot go into Lahore, Islamabad and easily find Pashto speakers let alone non-Pashtoon Pashto speakers
• More or less every president, or otherwise important historical figure in Pakistan's history has been non-Pashtoon
• Pashtoon culture is mocked constantly in Pakistan
• Pashtoons are not a majority of the population in Pakistan

Whose looks like the slave of whom now?

Many pashtuns doing businesses in punajb and was never been discriminated are abused.In fact the top dons in punjab are pashtuns. The zangi khan and bangi khan momand in rawal pindi are runing the whole city.They have taken a large land from punjabis on gun point.The rajas and chaudry there laying on their feet.

lol your proud that a Pashtoon can push around a Punjabi? That's something you are kawkah about? LOL

If punjabis are realy that strong .They did everything possible to stop the renaming of pashtunkhwa then why they failed?

So you admit you had to ask for permission, they let you do something, you didn't do it by force, and you had to beg for 60 years, really you consider that being in control of your own affairs? lol The very way you speak shows your a slave to Punjabis and accept all their propaganda. You want to compare Afghan Pashtoons position as against Farsibaans and say Pakistani Pashtoons have more power and respect in Pakistan? lol Punjabyaan are the most sust people in the world and you had to beg to have your province renamed, don't control your resources, don't control your money, aren't allowed to teach in Pashto, aren't allowed to have Pashto as a national language, aren't allowed to teach Pashtoon history, are killed in masses and you want to talk? You dance to their dool so whose the slave of who?

On the other side pashtuns living in their land like they own it.
Many pashtuns doing businesses in punajb and was never been discriminated are abused.

That's a lie first off, from bribes, to destroying goods and more Punjabyaan harass Pakistani Pashtoons. Secondly, why are you assuming this happens in Afghanistan, because it doesn't, your just a liar. If it happens it happens much less in Afghanistan then Pakistan.

At present when millions of pashtuns displaced by the talib/isi terror who given them shelter and support?
The sindi leaders at one stage opposed the arrival of IDPS but to punjab they crossed freely.
Our own pashtuns helped them and never let them down.

We came as we pleased like the nar people we are, its why you constantly complain or being bullied and killing from the refugees, because there still nar and haven't drunk the Punjaab ubu long enough to become sust. And when we did come, who supported us? Pakistani Pashtoons? lol UN aid and American money is what did it, not you, and especially not Pakistani Pashtoons, they have no say in any of these decisions anyways. On a personal level nobody offered free homes and food like your making it seem, if they did we wouldn't be living in refugee camps - another example of melmastiya. You have this asinine image of humble Pakistani Pashtoons coming out with trays of jelabi awaiting their Afghan brothers lol.

When the russains kicked you out we gave you the shelter. When masood kicked you out we given you shelter.

lol who ran from Massoud? Your so full of it, you just lie constantly. They only had a portion of the north in Kabul, nobody ran from any faction, there was a civil war, if anyone ran, it was Farsibaans because the fighting was going on in Kabul, where they primarily live, so what does that have to do with the Afghan Pashtoons? Again, just garbage posts.

Come and show me how many punjabis bought land living in pashtunkhwa?

Punjabyaan live all over KPK, they own stores and more, your full of it. Pashtoons walk around Farsibaan areas in Afghanistan like its there's, like Kabul, do Pashtoons do that in Karachi, Islamabad, and Lahore? lol If they do, they are "G" and "Shukria" "Pathans."

About reputation, go through the history books. You would be a shame to Rahman Baba and Khushal Khan with your love of Punjab and Pakistanis over Afghans.

When the russains kicked you out we gave you the shelter.

About Russia, the Afghan Pashtoons fought like the nar people they are, what were you guys doing? Eating paratha and playing cricket? In the front lines or in front of your television glued to GeoTV or flipping through Imran Khan's latest magazine spread? Stealing money from refugees, orphans, and widows?

I would say the peshawar valley pashtuns are the best and the most nationalists and pashtunists.

Seriously? Pakistani Pashtoons complain about Peshawar Pashtoons and call them Punjabyaan, how nationalist could they be then when there the farthest away from Pashtoon culture of any majority Pashtoon city in the world? In no way shape or form can you compare it and Kandahar.

All of the above you are the slaves of over 30 nations.

30 nations rule our country? Everyone knows this is a puppet government and in time the true rulers of the country, whoever they may be, will emerge. What about Pakistan? There is no puppet government there, and Punjabyaan rule over KPK. Punjabyaan are your King, even the puppet president is Pashtoon in Afghanistan, what about Pakistan and KPK? And not even recently, for 60 years now Punjabyaan have been the king of KPK. The way you make it seem Pakistani Pashtoons run the country so why don't they just remove them? Because what your saying is all lies.

Also, maybe you should head down to some ports and speak to some of the drivers and supply lines, it will be enlightening to see who is getting fed by whom and how the 30 nations are getting to Afghanistan. Hypocrite.

NATO Trucks Remain Stalled in Pakistan's Southern Port - YouTube

The survival of 60000 families depends on NATO supply.
Pakistan to reopen NATO supply route - YouTube

If your such a nationalist, I would urge you to stop being so randomly ignorant against Afghan Pashtoons. If you have such a problem with me being honest and letting others know, so they are not misinformed, that every other ethnic group is not our aghyaar, that's your problem, don't have an aneurism over it.

If you hate Punjabis and Farsibaans so much, go on a killing spree Hitlerzai, whose stopping you, but you say ghat ghat stuff just to talk and don't own up to the reality of things.

People like you are the reason each side ends up insulting one another, you force a persons hand. I have friends that are Pakistani Pashtoon and I tempered what I wanted to say for their sake and for those people on the board who are respectful and cordial.

But you have issues to sort out on your side of the border before you jump on others.

Sar loots, koon ishkara.

[Pukhtoon]

I could,nt find a single afghan-pashtun defending pashtun rights and pashtu in afghanistan.

Your honestly a huge liar, not a single Afghan Pashtoon defending Pashtoon rights in Afghanistan? You seriously expect anyone to believe that?

If you say anything in the support of pashtu and pashtun in afghanistan they waste no time by calling you paki and so.

What Pakistani Pashtoon is concerned about Afghanistan's Pashtoon culture, on this forum or otherwise? Who supported Pashto and a Pashtoon called him Paki? lol your such a liar honestly.

Further, your not even from Afghanistan and didn't ever live there for any extended amount of time so what do you even know about anything? You just lie constantly and don't respond when called out on your lies.

For them faris and punjsheri rule is more important then anything els.
have.

Where did anyone say this? Your such a liar and just make things up, di Khoday wubayraygah

[gadoonwal]

pukhtoon,
your response is like true parsiwan.
A pashtun would never respond like this.How these people brainwashed and fooled you.

so dose punjabi the officail language of punjab then.
If punjabyaans are realy doing good then why their poets and scholers crying for the rights of punjabi language?
I study pashtu in my school.I can read and write better pashtu then many afghan-pashtuns.It was fazli haqu 30 years ago decalring pashtu to be taught in schools.
Even before that pashtu was taught in school.
In pakistan all ethnicities face this problem not just pashtuns.
The UN aid is not coming to our pockets and we do,nt need it.
We call you benekay ,,chi pa kom taali ki dakagy pa hagay ki tashagy,,,,
Man why are you leing.The pashtuns dominate the markets of punjab go and see with your own eyes.
Punjabyaans owned stores here bs and speen darogh.

I never said pakistan is pashtun country.Pashtun are minority but still one millions time better then your side.While you as majority turned minority cus persain impose their language on you.You are only 30% of the afghan parlaiment.
Your country is member of persain nation ,is this lie too?
Why karzai attending persain summet then?
what dose afghan mean then?
The pashtu spekaing pashtuns of afghanistan are so poor and always been disadvantage.Compare the lives of parisibans and pashtun in afgjhanistan.
The pashtuns are far behind and many living in camps till this day.
The refugees returned back to afghanistan forced back by uzbiks from takhar and north.
Check this with benawa.com to be sure.
The rest your post is bs.

[gadoonwal]

If we stop the supply of food your entire nation will die cus of hunger.
Lets close the chaman and torkham crossing and see.
Punjabis would be happy but it is us not accepting duraniline

[Bost Bastan News]

there was a civil war, if anyone ran, it was Farsibaans because the fighting was going on in Kabul, where they primarily live, so what does that have to do with the Afghan Pashtoons? Again, just garbage posts.

Rora, have you been in Kabul or have you relatives who could tell you more about the civil war in Kabul? I am with you with 99% of your statement but with this part which reflects pure ignorance and illusion I do not agree. The civil war in Kabul was about power between Farsiwans, Uzbeks, Pashtuns and Hazara brothers. Hekmtayar was supported by Pakistan to control Kabul and other factions were supported by Iran and Russia. Kabul was destroyed but the main battles were led in Pashtun regions. Blood-sucker Hekmatyar´s rockets never reached their targets. Hekmatyar, Dostum, Massoud and Mazari all of them fought on Pashtun soil and Pashtun graves. 90% of those 80 000 killed innocent civilians were Pashtuns. Makaroyan 3 was taken by Mazari and Massoud and alot of crimes happened on Pashtuns. Before telling us your false version of history in your personal battle against Gadoonwal which Pashtun side is better you should inform yourself who the victims were. Mazari was commiting genocide on Pashtuns. Dostum was commiting genocide on Pashtuns. Massoud was commiting genocide on Pashtuns and even Kharuti Hekmatyar was commiting genocide and plundering on Pashtuns. Who burned chilsitun and chaharasiab? Surely not Pashtun civilians.

watch this video. Do you know those dancing women are Pashtuns from Mazar and Faryab and some from Kabul district 9? Just BS you claim
General Dostum and Hikmatyar in 1980s - YouTube

[Pukhtoon]

I say the same to you, an actual Pashtoon would never post as you did, you were cocky that Pashtoons bully Punjabis lol What Pashtoon brags about that? You tried to mock 1 million Afghans who died fighting Russia, our widows, and orphans, who died and live under harsh circumstances with ghairat and nang, they were ready for Qurbaani, that is a Pashtoon, something I can't say for you. You are 110% Punjabi - an insult to their race to have someone like you included with them.

If you say your Pashtoon I challenge you to respond line by line through the bulleted list I provided and tell me its not all true and tell me how, if its all true, Pakistani Pashtoons and Pashto have more status in Pakistan then Afghanistan.

Your post is also garbage as you didn't respond to my post, again. When I ruin your argument, you ignore it just like you always do.

Why karzai attending persain summet then?

If were Farsibaan because Karzai attended a Persian summit, then you are Punjabi because Pashtoons attend Punjabi summits. So incredibly childish in your reasoning.

I study pashtu in my school.I can read and write better pashtu then many afghan-pashtuns.It was fazli haqu 30 years ago decalring pashtu to be taught in schools.
Even before that pashtu was taught in school.

It's a lie that they teach Pashto in all secondary schools. While in some they do as I mentioned its not all grades and its only a recent thing. Every Pakistani Pashtoon I know asks me to write in Urdu not Pashto because they can't read it. The mere fact that you use Afghan Pashtoons as a measuring stick for quality Pashto education shows its lack of status in Pakistan. Further, as to school, they certainly don't teach Pashto in Karachi, Islamabad, Lahore, and even when they do in KPK it was after so many years of fighting, so whose in charge, you or them?

Pashtun are minority but still one millions time better then your side.While you as majority turned minority cus persain impose their language on you.You are only 30% of the afghan parlaiment.

Okay so, Urdu is absolutely imposed on you, Pashto not a national language, all government documents not in Pashto, national anthem in Urdu, so by your logic, your even worse then us, so what does that make you?

You then said our majority turned minority, so then since your forever a minority, how bad does that make you? You keep insulting yourself and don't even realize it.

You keep talking about the current government, DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS IS AN INSTALLED REGIME AND A SIZEABLE CHUNK OF THE PASHTOON POPULATION DOES NOT SUPPORT THE GOVERNMENT OR SUPPORTS THE INSURGENCY? That being the case, of course there not as represented in government and even then your numbers are off. Further, since Farsibaans invited foreign troops to Afghanistan of course they will have more say in the government created by the foreigners. DO YOU NOT THEN UNDERSTAND WHY THOSE FIGURES YOUR USING ARE NOT ACCURATE TO SHOW PASHTOON INFLUENCE IN GOVERNMENT? ARE YOU THAT DENSE AND SLOW?

If punjabyaans are realy doing good then why their poets and scholers crying for the rights of punjabi language?

Farsibaans also cry for the right of Farsi language, so what? Does that mean it doesn't have influence then? And what about Urdu? That's another Desi language, what about its place compared to Pashto? lol Urdu is your national language, is Pashto even a national language in Pakistan?

We call you benekay ,,chi pa kom taali ki dakagy pa hagay ki tashagy,,,,

Afghans call you the puss kuhrray khalig, something you learned from your adopted bretheren, and?

Man why are you leing.The pashtuns dominate the markets of punjab go and see with your own eyes.
Punjabyaans owned stores here bs and speen darogh.

Where are all these Pashto speaking Punjabis coming from? There shop owners and business owners and best friends with you Pashtoons. Just read this forum, you act like your all enemies, they live with you and work with you in KPK, your full of it.

The refugees returned back to afghanistan forced back by uzbiks from takhar and north.

Just complete and utter garbage, seriously? This is what you come up with? You just make things up.

The UN aid is not coming to our pockets and we do,nt need it.

lol tell that to the guys in the video. You know your one of the poorest areas in the world right? You make it out like its Dubai and you don't even control what little wealth you have, it all goes to Islamabad so why are you talking about wealth?

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Rora, have you been in Kabul or have you relatives who could tell you more about the civil war in Kabul? I am with you with 99% of your statement but with this part which reflects pure ignorance and illusion I do not agree. The civil war in Kabul was about power between Farsiwans, Uzbeks, Pashtuns and Hazara brothers. Hekmtayar was supported by Pakistan to control Kabul and other factions were supported by Iran and Russia. Kabul was destroyed but the main battles were led in Pashtun regions. Blood-sucker Hekmatyar´s rockets never reached their targets. Hekmatyar, Dostum, Massoud and Mazari all of them fought on Pashtun soil and Pashtun graves. 90% of those 80 000 killed innocent civilians were Pashtuns. Makaroyan 3 was taken by Mazari and Massoud and alot of crimes happened on Pashtuns. Before telling us your false version of history in your personal battle against Gadoonwal which Pashtun side is better you should inform yourself who the victims were. Mazari was commiting genocide on Pashtuns. Dostum was commiting genocide on Pashtuns. Massoud was commiting genocide on Pashtuns and even Kharuti Hekmatyar was commiting genocide and plundering on Pashtuns. Who burned chilsitun and chaharasiab? Surely not Pashtun civilians.

He was speaking to Massoud, the fighting from that area affected mainly Kabul, a primarily Farsibaan area so therefore, based on that comment of his, I mentioned that from that group "running from Massoud" it would of been Farsibaans, and not Pashtoons, primarily, whom he was trying to insult. I don't think I was off-base or inaccurate in saying that.

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He was speaking to Massoud, the fighting from that area affected mainly Kabul, a primarily Farsibaan area so therefore, based on that comment of his, I mentioned that from that group "running from Massoud" it would of been Farsibaans, and not Pashtoons, primarily, whom he was trying to insult. I don't think I was off-base or inaccurate in saying that.

General Dostum and Hikmatyar in 1980s - YouTube

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Do you know that Farsiwans came even to Kandahar with support of some allied Pashtuns and burned Kandahar as well, a Pashtun soil????? What are you talking????? My grand-father lost his own house and got killed.