Talebs in Tajikistan?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

he made a stupid joke and i don't think he was serious about it.

if i was a salafi, i would dive head first into this and find some precedent that says he is a kafir or something but come on, let it go.

lets say shamwow was stupid for his comments and move on to the next intellectually worthless argument.

The problem is, jokes about rape are embedded in rape culture; the notion that the notion of women being violated can be made light of is really very low and poor reflection on Islam.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

he can mention it if he wants, its permissible, and i re read the comment no mention of rape. That is your own interpretation.

you can have sex with slaves without raping them.

where is it permissible to discuss the prospect of taking women against their will?

Please show me the hadith which allows such behavior to be displayed.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

your the one mentioning the rape of women, he didn't. Have you thought why did he mention RUSSIAN women and not turkmen or uzbek? Its because russian female soldiers are based in Central asian countries. Islam is about defending women but not when they themselves are holding guns to kill you. It is legal in Islam to take women as captives in war, this is the issue in hand stop diverting it and deal with this.

You're disgusting; your deen is just for show. Women are women, Russian, Uzbek or Turkmen,

Islam is about defending women EVEN when they're holding guns to kill you; you subdue them so they can't kill you and at that point YOU STOP; and withdraw, you don't carry on and day dream about capturing them for your enjoyment.

[Kushan Prince]

So guys why do Indians rape their women? Lol.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

what a strawman, salafis are actually known for their murjia and lack of takfir, just because they say something is kufr doesn't mean they believe you are a kafir. Sometimes i agree with their lack of takfir and sometimes i don't.

Stop overexaggerating, Salafis don't make that much takfir on such minuscule issues.

Is this in some alternate universe? shoot from the hip takfir is the hallmark of Salafism.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Taking women as war booty is considered rape by the same people who believe democracy is not shirk.

The point is more sharply driven home if you flip that around.

The people who think democracy is shirk are the same people who think violating women under the pretext of warbooty is not rape.

Sounds much worse when put into that perspective.

[Kushan Prince]

Taking women as war booty is considered rape by the same people who believe democracy is not shirk.

Hey the durrani empire took Marathi women as war booty after the 3rd battle of panipat yet they were Muslims themselves. Why do u think there are Hindus in Kabul?

[Khorosani]

where did you get that from. tell me where it says its permissible.

do you even know what the definition of rape is?

am i saying rape is permissible? since when did you get that from what i'm talking about?

I'm saying taking women as war booty in Jihad is permissible and having sex with those slave women is permissible, neither I or Shamalwar have said anything about rape.

[Khorosani]

You're disgusting; your deen is just for show. Women are women, Russian, Uzbek or Turkmen,

Islam is about defending women EVEN when they're holding guns to kill you; you subdue them so they can't kill you and at that point YOU STOP; and withdraw, you don't carry on and day dream about capturing them for your enjoyment.

where is it permissible to discuss the prospect of taking women against their will?

Please show me the hadith which allows such behavior to be displayed.

taking women as war booty is considered rape because women are not consenting to be taken as war booty, and thus any sexual intercourse would be based on fear or coercion and hence rape. BY THE DEFINITION of rape.

see right there in the dictionary.
Rape | Define Rape at Dictionary.com

Are you using an english dictionary to define to us what is rape in Islam?

In our deen when a land goes under war the kuffar of that land are turned into slaves. Furthermore it was known that the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him did kill women who were known for their animosity against the deen. One of the scholars of a very famous book on Jihad, a book written around 400 years ago said their is no harm for one to kill a women in war when she is attacking you. It's known that you don't kill monks but Sallahudeen killed the knight templars because they were combatants.

Even if they are not combatants in our religion women can be taken as prisoners of war and subsequently turned into your slaves. This has been practiced by the Sahaba and throughout history.

from this hanafi sufi link it says that slaves are

http://spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=1808&CATE=134

Captives in a legitimate defensive war.

and here is this from the book i mentioned earily, Mashari al Ashwaq

http://www.hoor-al-ayn.com/Books/6)%...20al-Ushaaq%20[Revised%20Edition].pdf

page 161

Rulings Regarding The Enemy POWs:
• The stronger opinion is that the Imam should do what is most beneficial for the Muslims: To execute them, to free them without anything in return, to free them in return of freeing Muslim POWs,to charge for their freedom, or to enslave them.
• The ruling on women and children POWs is that they become slaves by default.
• If a Muslim kills a POW, the Amir has the right to punish him by Ta’zeer (a punishment less than the least punishment of a major sin. Usually it is less than 10 lashes)
• If a man is taken as a POW along with his wife some scholars say that the marriage contract becomes null while others say it remains. The same is said when the husband alone falls into captivity. But if a woman is taken as a POW then if she is married her marriage contract is nullified.
• When children fall into captivity with their parents are they considered Muslim or non-Muslim?
The opinion of al Shafi’i, Ahmad, Malik, and Abu Haneefah is that they follow the religion of their parents and are considered non-Muslim. If captured with the father then Ahmad considers them to be Muslim, while the other three Imams state that they are not. If the children are captured with their mother then according to Ahmad they are Muslim. Al Shafi’i and Abu Haneefah say they are not. If the children are captured alone then according to all the Imams except al Shafi’i they are Muslim.
According to the majority opinion the captured families should not be separated.

Study the deen with a scholar before discussing matters that you have no knowledge on as you've shown here.

[Almas]

am i saying rape is permissible? since when did you get that from what i'm talking about?

I'm saying taking women as war booty in Jihad is permissible and having sex with those slave women is permissible, neither I or Shamalwar have said anything about rape.

This is not just rape, it is sexual slavery.

[Khorosani]

This is not just rape, it is sexual slavery.

are you a muslim or a non muslim?

[Badlun]

are you a muslim or a non muslim?

I do not believe in any Islam where women by default become slaves! I hate such an evil Islam.

In the five pillars of Islam there is no enslavement of women in war as religious obligation.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

I do not believe in any Islam where women by default become slaves! I hate such an evil Islam.

In the five pillars of Islam there is no enslavement of women in war as religious obligation.

We the muslims hate kaafirs like you. Hating you is an act of worship.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Are you using an english dictionary to define to us what is rape in Islam?

Total strawman

I asked you where is there ahadith where men can sit around and gloatfully discuss the capturing of women as their prize.

Instead you talked about the permissibility of capturing slaves in the contexts of Muhammad(saw)'s battles. Something my past posts already stressed knowledge of. The context and situation of those events were very distinct and specific. The things you're claiming as knowledge are just the brainwashings of people who see things from a distorted lense; None of these suffice in demonstrating your claims about the actual Directives pr Allowances of Islam.

the Shari'ah definition of Rape is Zina Bil Jabr, Jabr means coercion and coercion means non-consenting. So Shari'ah definition matches the Engish one. Rape is understood as rape; coercion; and this happens by intimidation, by assault, by threats by fear. All of it is coercion.

Study Islamic History before you peddle the brainwashing you were taught in your child molestation camps that you wrongly call an Islamic School.

Knights Templars were killed WHILE in Combat; You cannot capture and then coerce the Knights Templar into a sexual relationship in Islam nor can you do that to a woman. You're excuse here is irrelevant since Shamlawar's comment did not stipulate KILLING Women IN COMBAT, but capturing Russian women; not specifically stated to be involved in combat. But simply Russian women.

All you're doing now is searching for excuses for your disgusting , predatory character as well as Shamlawar's.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

We the muslims hate kaafirs like you. Hating you is an act of worship.

Which means very little since you seem to like to rape or looking forward to raping.

the desire to cause harm to women pretty much reveals you're really an oppressor not a warrior of Islam