Should Pakistan give Citizenship to Afghan Refugees?

[M17ArnoBaloch]

you are on the wrong track here by saying kpk only.
The pashtunland inside pakistani control starts from chetral to Bolan.
Half of BALUCHISTAN is pashtunland not some baluchiland.
You are in the south and that is the real Baluchistan.
The northren part got nothing to do with Baluchistan or baluch identity.

The afghans inside pashtunkhwa are welcome but it is in the interest of pashtuns of afghanistan to go back to their country and defend pashtun and afghan interests.

I never said KPK only? Did i? pull out my post.

Half of BALUCHISTAN is pashtunland not some baluchiland.

Half of BALUCHISTAN is in IRAN. That is pashtunland too?









Half of Balochistan is pashtunland? HALF of Balochistan is in IRAAAAAN. Look again.

The Iranian Sistan-va-Baluchestan province of Iran is the twin brother of Pakistani Baluchistan, they were one, untill they were split by Pakistan and Iran.



You are misunderstanding this area. Balochistan was split in half. Half is in Pakistan and the other half is in Iran. So you're saying HALF of Balochistan is pashtunland? Get your facts right please.

You are in the south and that is the real Baluchistan.

LOLLLLL. False again.

How many times do I have to tell you the south are Mekranis? They are fishermen, the ones in gawadar and coastals are mekranis and other ethnic groups. A non-Baloch mixtures of gene pools.



See Kalat over there? Ever heard of Khan of Kalat? Khanate of Kalat? When Balochistan was independent and ruled by Khans of Kalat? See Mastung there? Khuzdar? Kharan? Nushki? Chagai? Wasuhk? ARE THEY IN SOUTH BALOCHISTAN? NO. They are not. And they are all baloch areas, no pashtun lives there. 100% Baloch Population. The other half of Baloch population lives in Iran and the other live in Helmand. Almost half of Helmand is Baloch land not some pashtunland.





All these cities I just showed you are dominant Baloch cities. None of these Baloch live in SOUTH, as I mentioned earlier South is full of mekranis and other ehtnic groups. Get your facts rights again. South is not the REAL Balochistan.

The northren part got nothing to do with Baluchistan or baluch identity.

LOLL. Man I'll show you a hundred books regarding what you just said, read a book about Balochistan and the northern Balochistan, Irani balochistan and baloch lands in Helmand. You can't just that the northren part got nothing to do with Baluchistan or baluch identity because I have a 600 page boook which will prove you wrong.

Also DID YOU MEAN half of Pakistani BALUCHISTAN is pashtunland? if so, then you are wrong again.



Look at Pashtun areas and Look at Baloch areas. Sure their are some pashtun land but they are in no way HALF of "Pakistani" Balochistan. We are not even talking about Iran here, the other half. Or parts in Helmand, Afghanistan and Turkmenistan.

[Karachi]

^ question, I dont know anything about baloch history, but how did they gain so much land? despite having a much smaller population then neighbors? also when was the baloch identity made?

[Bost Bastan News]

That would be a good start toward Afghans. I mean Afghans are in both countries home. I am sure many refugees seek to get the Pakistani citizenship.

[Badlun]

Pakistani Baluchistan is population wise about half Pashtun not area wise. Balochs have a lot of area but very less population. They are scattered in small cities and villages in Baluchistan while in the middle of these cities and villages are deserts, mountains and unpopulated area which is neither Baloch nor Pashtun.

[Smarty]

@manorbaloch
Baloch nationalists claim that mahmood khan achakzai has settled many afghans in balochistan, providing them pakistani domiciles....due to which demographics of balochistan has changed, making the pashtuns majority if bruhis are not counted as balochs...what is your stance on it? Also what is your opinion about quetta? Baloch nationalists consider it integral part of baloch homeland.

[Smarty]

Peshawar and Quetta are just as much their motherland as Kabul and Kandahar.

Interestingly, wasn't Pakistan made so it could be a home for all Muslims? Or was it just some sort of a mischievous experiment in which a group of Indian nawabs got to rule over the mostly illiterate and politically aloof Pashtun, Baloch and Sindhi?

We can discuss indo-pak history in some other relevant thread.

[M17ArnoBaloch]

^ question, I dont know anything about baloch history, but how did they gain so much land? despite having a much smaller population then neighbors? also when was the baloch identity made?

Large amounts of them are mixed and dissolved with Arabs, persians, afghans and other ethnicities in other countries (Middle-east) places like Syria, lebanon, Iran, Iraq and Turkmenistan. The ones that live in pakistani Balochistan are also a little bit mixed with pashtuns, panjabis, sindhis, etc. Maybe their identity is slowly fading away since the Baloch in places like Quetta, Kalat, Nushki, Khuzdar have 100% same Cultural traditions and rituals like Pashtuns. Small amount that live in panjab have 100% seraiki panjabi culture. The ones that live in Iran have 100% iranian culture. While the ones living in Iraq and Turkmenistan have same exact 100% culture as their origins. So....... Why is their population low? Because their culture is fading away and they have dissolved with Turkmens, Persians, Afghans, Pashtuns, Arabs, Kurds, and in Pakistan with Sindhis and daalkhor Panjabis.

True Baloch were kurds that's all i know, the rest that came slowly mixed with their neighbors or migrated in masses to other countries and established contact with other ethnicities.

Baloch in every country is different, for example a Baloch in Iran is completely different than a Baloch in Oman or a Baloch in Turkmenistan or Afghanistan or Pakistan. They all look completely different in shape, size, physical appearance and genetic traits.

Baloch nationalists claim that mahmood khan achakzai has settled many afghans in balochistan, providing them pakistani domiciles....due to which demographics of balochistan has changed, making the pashtuns majority if bruhis are not counted as balochs...what is your stance on it? Also what is your opinion about quetta? Baloch nationalists consider it integral part of baloch homeland.

Yes that's true abt mahmood khan achakzai.

About quetta, Gee i don't know, i would like Quetta to own it

and it is considered integral part of baloch homeland by nationalists.

[gadoonwal]

I never said KPK only? Did i? pull out my post.



Half of BALUCHISTAN is in IRAN. That is pashtunland too?









Half of Balochistan is pashtunland? HALF of Balochistan is in IRAAAAAN. Look again.

The Iranian Sistan-va-Baluchestan province of Iran is the twin brother of Pakistani Baluchistan, they were one, untill they were split by Pakistan and Iran.



You are misunderstanding this area. Balochistan was split in half. Half is in Pakistan and the other half is in Iran. So you're saying HALF of Balochistan is pashtunland? Get your facts right please.



LOLLLLL. False again.

How many times do I have to tell you the south are Mekranis? They are fishermen, the ones in gawadar and coastals are mekranis and other ethnic groups. A non-Baloch mixtures of gene pools.



See Kalat over there? Ever heard of Khan of Kalat? Khanate of Kalat? When Balochistan was independent and ruled by Khans of Kalat? See Mastung there? Khuzdar? Kharan? Nushki? Chagai? Wasuhk? ARE THEY IN SOUTH BALOCHISTAN? NO. They are not. And they are all baloch areas, no pashtun lives there. 100% Baloch Population. The other half of Baloch population lives in Iran and the other live in Helmand. Almost half of Helmand is Baloch land not some pashtunland.





All these cities I just showed you are dominant Baloch cities. None of these Baloch live in SOUTH, as I mentioned earlier South is full of mekranis and other ehtnic groups. Get your facts rights again. South is not the REAL Balochistan.



LOLL. Man I'll show you a hundred books regarding what you just said, read a book about Balochistan and the northern Balochistan, Irani balochistan and baloch lands in Helmand. You can't just that the northren part got nothing to do with Baluchistan or baluch identity because I have a 600 page boook which will prove you wrong.

Also DID YOU MEAN half of Pakistani BALUCHISTAN is pashtunland? if so, then you are wrong again.



Look at Pashtun areas and Look at Baloch areas. Sure their are some pashtun land but they are in no way HALF of "Pakistani" Balochistan. We are not even talking about Iran here, the other half. Or parts in Helmand, Afghanistan and Turkmenistan.

you d,nt need to repeat the same stuff again.I know that where baluchis land is.
By half i mean the Baluchistan inside pakistani control.
We all know that half of Baluchistan is in iran and many Baluchis lives in nimroz,southren helmond etc.
Check your post again where you clearly wrote,,,you mention kpk for afghans to live cus thats their land right but why you did,nt write the pashtunland in Baluchistan?
is that not a pakhtunland?
In fact pashtuns originated from the mountain of zhob according to historains.
pashtunkhwa is belong to the pashtuns living in there and we will decide our future not others.The pashtuns of afghanistan are our brothers and we welcom them here.
Durandline is fact but afghanistan never ever took strong stand on this issue.Those who try to do something for pashtun unity are already killed by afghans such as dawood khan and najeebullah(isi asked talibs to kill najeeb and the talibs also hated him).
Pashtuns from pashtunkhwa are called pakistani in afghanistan and they need a visa to go there while afghans entering pashtunkhwa illegally .
What kind of brotherhood it is?
By asking pashtun to show visa to enter afghanistan mean the afghans fully accepted durandline,that is light and clear.
I will always oppose the punjabi rule on pashtun baluch land.
To me both pashtunkhwa and baluchistan are occupied by punjab.
Punjabis can not control our lands but our own people are fooled by punjab in the name of islam.
PASHTUNISTAN AND Baluchistan are in the same boat.
Both group should work together to get freedom.

[M17ArnoBaloch]

you d,nt need to repeat the same stuff again.I know that where baluchis land is.
By half i mean the Baluchistan inside pakistani control.
We all know that half of Baluchistan is in iran and many Baluchis lives in nimroz,southren helmond etc.
Check your post again where you clearly wrote,,,you mention kpk for afghans to live cus thats their land right but why you did,nt write the pashtunland in Baluchistan?
is that not a pakhtunland?
In fact pashtuns originated from the mountain of zhob according to historains.
pashtunkhwa is belong to the pashtuns living in there and we will decide our future not others.The pashtuns of afghanistan are our brothers and we welcom them here.
Durandline is fact but afghanistan never ever took strong stand on this issue.Those who try to do something for pashtun unity are already killed by afghans such as dawood khan and najeebullah(isi asked talibs to kill najeeb and the talibs also hated him).
Pashtuns from pashtunkhwa are called pakistani in afghanistan and they need a visa to go there while afghans entering pashtunkhwa illegally .
What kind of brotherhood it is?
By asking pashtun to show visa to enter afghanistan mean the afghans fully accepted durandline,that is light and clear.
I will always oppose the punjabi rule on pashtun baluch land.
To me both pashtunkhwa and baluchistan are occupied by punjab.
Punjabis can not control our lands but our own people are fooled by punjab in the name of islam.
PASHTUNISTAN AND Baluchistan are in the same boat.
Both group should work together to get freedom.

i edited my previous post actually before you even commented on it where i wrote Afghans are welcome in Balochistan and khyber, then i edited it again and wrote only kpk. So i know that pashtunland does in fact exist in Balochistan. And Afghans are welcome there by all means, even other parts of Balochistan, they are welcome because they are out brothers.

are you paki pashtun? have you been to Afghanistan? You don't really need a visa lol. Ive been to Afghanistan many times because of my cousins wedding there, If you tell them your a Baloch, they let you in easily, srsly. But if you tell them your a pakistani, they will detain you and decide what to do with you. When I and our friends went there they asked us who we were and we said Baloch and they smiled and asked for 20 rupees, and we gave them and let us in just like that. You don't really need a visa LOLL.

Afghanistan will never get durand back because 1) Paki pashtuns have sworn to protect it and 2) they are already economically strong and nuclear. And yes i dont like punjabis, they occupied us and also have occupied kpk. But do you know what? kpk pashtuns like that panjabi occupation. its a fact they dont really want to go with afghanistan they like the panjabi rule, many afghans are comming in kpk instead of going out, if you tell them to go to afghanistan they will ridicule you. because there is no point. panjabi rule is so far excelling very much, they never had their rise in history and for the first time they do and they are taking their revenge from Afghans what they did to them by killing pashtuns and balochs.

[HalloIsBack]

what about an answer from an afghan refugee wo lives in pakistan and not from afghan people who live aboard?

[M17ArnoBaloch]

what about an answer from an afghan refugee wo lives in pakistan and not from afghan people who live aboard?

they would like the citizenship mainly because Afghanistan is war torn and Pakistan has good education (at least better than afg) and has more business opportunities.


Afghanistan has none of those.

[Smarty]

they would like the citizenship mainly because Afghanistan is war torn and Pakistan has good education (at least better than afg) and has more business opportunities.


Afghanistan has none of those.

Not only that but Afghanistan also lacks proper infrastructure, roads, hospitals etc. Bureaucracy doesn't exits at all while the army wont be able to sustain itself without American funds.
Afghan members say that it is obligation of every Pakistani pashtuns to join afghanistan but how many of them are themselves ready to settle back permanently in their country from america, Britain, Australia etc?

[gadoonwal]

i edited my previous post actually before you even commented on it where i wrote Afghans are welcome in Balochistan and khyber, then i edited it again and wrote only kpk. So i know that pashtunland does in fact exist in Balochistan. And Afghans are welcome there by all means, even other parts of Balochistan, they are welcome because they are out brothers.

are you paki pashtun? have you been to Afghanistan? You don't really need a visa lol. Ive been to Afghanistan many times because of my cousins wedding there, If you tell them your a Baloch, they let you in easily, srsly. But if you tell them your a pakistani, they will detain you and decide what to do with you. When I and our friends went there they asked us who we were and we said Baloch and they smiled and asked for 20 rupees, and we gave them and let us in just like that. You don't really need a visa LOLL.

Afghanistan will never get durand back because 1) Paki pashtuns have sworn to protect it and 2) they are already economically strong and nuclear. And yes i dont like punjabis, they occupied us and also have occupied kpk. But do you know what? kpk pashtuns like that panjabi occupation. its a fact they dont really want to go with afghanistan they like the panjabi rule, many afghans are comming in kpk instead of going out, if you tell them to go to afghanistan they will ridicule you. because there is no point. panjabi rule is so far excelling very much, they never had their rise in history and for the first time they do and they are taking their revenge from Afghans what they did to them by killing pashtuns and balochs.

I as a pashtun have my own identity ,,,pashtun,,,,
This name i used in afghanistan and still i was called pakistani pashtun.So what do you think?
I have strong view that pashtunkhwa watan will be free country in the future. with true pashtun identity.
Do,nt misguide people here.
There are many baluchis working as punjabi slaves.You even have Baluch regment in pak army.Jamalai,abdul malik and you name it all are the loyal servants of punjab still treat you worst then animals.yES,I FULLY AGREE THAT PASHTUNS TOO.
Pashtuns politically struggle for their rights and have some success.
You can compare pashtunkhwa with Baluchistan and tell us which part is more developed.
Still pashtuns are far behind to get more rights but at least better then Baluchis.
The punjabis did everything possible to keep pashtuns jahil but everyday i see more pashtuns are turning to education and that give us some hope.
Pashtuns will play its card when the time comes.At present afghanistan is a weak country and pushing this country for war against pakistan will bring only destruction and ethnic division to afghanistan.
We want stablity,UNITY and peace in afghanistan.At the sametime we want the afghan govt to stop this visa system for pashtuns.Allow pashtuns of both side to meet eachother for cultural events,trade and so.
Once we reach to a certain point then pashtuns will back eachother against punjabi rule.
This durandline will be destroyed.It is only a matter of time.

[M17ArnoBaloch]

I as a pashtun have my own identity ,,,pashtun,,,,
This name i used in afghanistan and still i was called pakistani pashtun.So what do you think?
I have strong view that pashtunkhwa watan will be free country in the future. with true pashtun identity.
Do,nt misguide people here.
There are many baluchis working as punjabi slaves.You even have Baluch regment in pak army.Jamalai,abdul malik and you name it all are the loyal servants of punjab still treat you worst then animals.yES,I FULLY AGREE THAT PASHTUNS TOO.
Pashtuns politically struggle for their rights and have some success.
You can compare pashtunkhwa with Baluchistan and tell us which part is more developed.
Still pashtuns are far behind to get more rights but at least better then Baluchis.
The punjabis did everything possible to keep pashtuns jahil but everyday i see more pashtuns are turning to education and that give us some hope.
Pashtuns will play its card when the time comes.At present afghanistan is a weak country and pushing this country for war against pakistan will bring only destruction and ethnic division to afghanistan.
We want stablity,UNITY and peace in afghanistan.At the sametime we want the afghan govt to stop this visa system for pashtuns.Allow pashtuns of both side to meet eachother for cultural events,trade and so.
Once we reach to a certain point then pashtuns will back eachother against punjabi rule.
This durandline will be destroyed.It is only a matter of time.

Yes you are right.

There is not a single Baloch in Baloch regment in pak army. I'm saying this because i was watching some panjabi talk show and they said it. They said there isn't a 1 single Baloch in baloch regment, its just a title and a division they made to recruit Baloch in army. Baloch regment is full of panjabi and propaganda workers to drive them into it. Nothing more. I was watching this talk show on tv, they said it not me.

Also you are right, but also wrong. Paki pashtuns have extreme love for Pakistan. its a fact, im not misguiding anyone. u ben to peshawar? or quetta? their they extremely back pakistan up, srsly. not leing.

Afghanistan man, i wish it gets better. Baloch and Pashtuns should wake up and see what and how they are being treated. Yes Pashtuns are more educated than Baloch, its a true fact. KPK is alot developed, Balochistan is like kandahar. Or even worse. No hope there, but still some baloch are fighting hard, they are still kicking, so there is hope little bit...

these panjabis have their biggest rise ever, with being nuclear and all, i wish these daalkhor realise its time they let us go.... or else IT WILL GET BLOODY.

Why they call u paki pashtun? why........ ??

maybe because afghans dont accept paki pashtuns anymore? even though they are afghans, technically? more pashtuns in panjabistan than in afghanistan, so think about it. more and more pashtun kids are being brainwashed in schools. If you brainwash a kid from a young age that Pakistan is the best, blah blah, its a mighty country then he will grow up to BE A PATRIOT and hate Afghanistan. More pashtuns in pakistan and more pashtuns are getting culturally dissolved and assimilated. More and more kids are being brainwashed and more and more are getting into army....

when do you think they will turn over the card??????

seems almost impossible bro.... Baloch are good they are already uneducated they wont ever get brainwashed as young kids,,, lollll so in that case its good....

[Kushan Prince]

I as a pashtun have my own identity ,,,pashtun,,,,
This name i used in afghanistan and still i was called pakistani pashtun.So what do you think?
I have strong view that pashtunkhwa watan will be free country in the future. with true pashtun identity.
Do,nt misguide people here.
There are many baluchis working as punjabi slaves.You even have Baluch regment in pak army.Jamalai,abdul malik and you name it all are the loyal servants of punjab still treat you worst then animals.yES,I FULLY AGREE THAT PASHTUNS TOO.
Pashtuns politically struggle for their rights and have some success.
You can compare pashtunkhwa with Baluchistan and tell us which part is more developed.
Still pashtuns are far behind to get more rights but at least better then Baluchis.
The punjabis did everything possible to keep pashtuns jahil but everyday i see more pashtuns are turning to education and that give us some hope.
Pashtuns will play its card when the time comes.At present afghanistan is a weak country and pushing this country for war against pakistan will bring only destruction and ethnic division to afghanistan.
We want stablity,UNITY and peace in afghanistan.At the sametime we want the afghan govt to stop this visa system for pashtuns.Allow pashtuns of both side to meet eachother for cultural events,trade and so.
Once we reach to a certain point then pashtuns will back eachother against punjabi rule.
This durandline will be destroyed.It is only a matter of time.

Sorry but an independent "Pashtunistan" is a mere fantasy. It's never going to happen not to mention pashtuns from Afghanistan won't allow it's formation. Do you really want to live in small princely states like the arabs? The only way we can defeat our enemy is by uniting together by a greater Afghanistan. This is the only way we can defeat anyone that stands against us.

The Durand line must be broken.