Conditions,demand and supposing them

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Let suppose the Pakistani pashtuns declare to to join afghanistan along with there land including the ancient Godar which will connect Afghanistan will sea.

will the afghanistan pashtuns agree to kick off the uzbek,tajik and hazara from the Loy Afghanistan?even if they are given a small land to make up there own country in the western afghanistan?will the afghan agree to this

The New Loy Afghanistan will have 95% pashtuns with population around 45millions.
kpk with 25billion(10% of total Pakistan GDP) dollars GDP,
Pashtuns dominated parts of has 90% of the total Balochistan GDP and so does the FATA.Making in total from Pakistani pashtuns as 30-35billion dollars and Afghanistan 20billion dollars.

A nation with 45million population having access to sea and GDP in excess of 50billion dollars can be considered a Good sovereign nation.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Dear Pathan,

in case you haven't realized this yet, only a minority among Afghanistans Pashtuns believe that there should be an all Pashtun state.

The original nation state established by Ahmad Shah Abdali was an all inclusive society where people of all ethnicities were part of.

The objections we have against Pakistan as a country is because it is a creation of the British to weaken the Muslims in South Asia.

Therefore, when we say, Pakistan should disintegrate, we are not saying Pashtuns of Pashtunkhwa are better off joining a greater Afghanistan than remaining second class citizens to Punjab.

Infact, the more realist Pashtuns from Afghanistan would argue that disintegration of Pakistan should result into reemergence of a better more stable all inclusive and balanced Muslim state rather than a Punjabi dictatorship. A Muslim state that includes all South Asian Muslims. Including us.

Regarding the minorities in Afghanistan, every Uzbek, Tajik, Hazara, Turkmen, Shaari, Aymaq, Baloch etc are like jewels on our crown. We love them and care for them as our family and brothers.

Unlike how the dominant ethnicity in Pakistan treats you. Pashtuns are massacred by Punjabi army and nobody cares. But as soon as one Punjabi is killed, the whole nation moarning.

Besides, all these talks about the future of Pakistan and Afghanistan are totally out of order. Our first priority in Afghanistan is to regain our independence and get rid of the Americans.

Once we are independent, then we will deal with you Pakis and Pathans.

[Bengal_Tiger]

1. Most Pakistani Pashtuns are loyal to the state of Pakistan and wish to see Pakistan succeed as a state.

If in the future it is beyond any doubt that the state cannot meet Pashtun needs and is a failure and it is better to be separate they will chose independence.

2. Pakistani Pashtuns would not join Afghanistan but would form their own state.

There are many reasons for this.

i: Cultural differences between Afghans and Eastern Pashtuns e.g. Persianization of many Afghan Pashtuns e.g. Mahmudzais.

ii: Presence of non-Pashtuns in Pashtunkhwa e.g. Hindkos. Some of the leading nationalists in the Pashtun nationalist movement in Pashtunkhwa are in fact Hindkos e.g. Hajji Adeel, Ghulam Bilour, Aqil Shah etc. In fact the Hindko leaders of the ANP tend to be "more nationalist" and militant than the actual Pashtun ones.

Hindkos who support Pashtun nationalism identify with Pashtun nationalism, are willing to speak Pashto, teach their children Pashto even if it means dropping Urdu/Hindko, however as they are not original Pashtuns they do not have tribal traditions e.g. Badal, Jirga etc

They would not be comfortable in a greater Afghanistan or joint Pashtun state.

There are other reasons.

However the vast majority of eastern Pashtuns bar a few traitors and "Pathans" (the types who will go on Youtube or defence.pk and threaten to "nuke" Afghanistan, astaghfirullah a Muslim country and the original motherland of Pukhtoons) view Afghan Pashtuns as their blood brothers and want cultural unity with them at least e.g. no closing of the Durrand line, same language etc.

Culturally in that sense the Pashtuns of Afghanistan and Pakistan are probably more closer than the Germans of Germany, Austria and Switzerland are too each other.

Swiss Germans hate Germany passionately, Austrians dislike them.

An Austrian I spoke too told me when she went to Berlin they couldn't understand her dialect of German so she had to end up speaking in English to them.

[Tiger Khan]

Yes, united pashtunistan can be considered as a good soverign nation. But why divide the land of Afghanistan?. Even if we go with current demographic data (Albiet biased against Pahstuns), having pashtuns join afghanistan the total population of afghanistan will jump to around 70 Million with 80% pashtun population.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

My dear Khar-Sani friend

first of all i am only concerned to the pashtuns not tajik or farsiwand

Pakistan again is the most powerful Muslim state in south asia and probably the most powerful islamic country to exist till date.we today have the power not only to india but to take down even country like china incase of MAD(mutually assured destruction)

some recent western studies suggest that there is a possibility of 2 new underground plutonium production reactor with capacitive even higher than the present 4 official plutonium production reactors.

The new labs(site of first plutonium production in pakistan within PARR series reactors)..but in 1996 when first khushab series reactor was commisioned it had the capability of producing 14kg weapon grade plutonium per year.than in the mean time we built 3 more with even higher capacity.

today if we consider putting off 10-12kg plutonium per warhead(in the range of 100kt) than there a possibility of more than 300 active 100kt warhead with Pakistan

the one dropped on hiroshima was only 22kt and you know the destruction.imagine a destruction with more than 100kt warhead.that too in excess of 300 and growing and growing.

add to this the latest possibility of babur submarine launchd cruise missile each with max capability of taking onboard a 200kt yield equivalent of tnt.imagine 16 of them on each of our submarine.
16 of them each with 200kt warhead can destroy a Pakistan size city.

other than this all i can ask you is to come to Pakistan.and witness it yourself .
Pashtuns never get 2nd class citizen status.we acquire everything with force.
even the punjabi now are admiring our culture.
2 years before my life was very very limited to peshawar,miranshah and bannu and Dera ismail khan.since the day i had come to abbottabad for my MBBS and had met with the non pashtuns.all my doubts about they being hating pashtuns and all this are cleared.

the only people in pakistan against pashtuns today are *******s mahajir of karachi

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Pakistan is not an Islamic state. It is in essence a polytheist state pretty much like India.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

We have a joke in Afghanistan. They say a young man was being raped by a thug. The thug found a pistol on the young man while he was tearing his clothes off. He asked the young man what the pistol was for, the young man said, it is for protection.

Now, the story of Pakistani nuclear bomb is pretty much the same. India is beating up Pakistani army like a school boy. America is trespassing into Pakistani territory and massacring its citizens.

Yet Pathan is bragging about having a bomb.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Considering it like this

roughtly sum up

KPK with 74k squarekm area
Balochistan pashtun dominated parts with area 1lac and 24k squarekm
and FATA with 27k+ km

or Addition from our side with 2lac and 25k squarekm

addition of 652k squarekm area from Afghanistan.the country would be of the size of egypt

this would mark as a big country with population of more than 60millions(considering only tajik and hazara,no uzbek)

GDP nominal in excess of 55-60billion dollars and growing

with having a potential of atleast 500billion dollars in 2030 and atleast 1trillion dollars in 2040.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

We have a joke in Afghanistan. They say a young man was being raped by a thug. The thug found a pistol on the young man while he was tearing his clothes off. He asked the young man what the pistol was for, the young man said, it is for protection.

Now, the story of Pakistani nuclear bomb is pretty much the same. India is beating up Pakistani army like a school boy. America is trespassing into Pakistani territory and massacring its citizens.

Yet Pathan is bragging about having a bomb.

against america yes because of our leaders

but india?really?didnt just last month we killed 5 of them
in january we beheaded 2 of them taking away head of one aswell..

let the Pakistan nuclear bomb get onboard the submarine.initially conventional and later in KCS around 2020-22 having capability of SLBM launching.
We can take down any country known to exist than

[Khostai]

I could care less about Farsibans and Uzbacks and Hazara, they are for the PAshtuns like Punjabis. But the North has many minerals and is quite rich, comparing with the rest, so geting rid of that land is quite dum.

[Adam]

My dear Khar-Sani friend

first of all i am only concerned to the pashtuns not tajik or farsiwand

Pakistan again is the most powerful Muslim state in south asia and probably the most powerful islamic country to exist till date.we today have the power not only to india but to take down even country like china incase of MAD(mutually assured destruction)

some recent western studies suggest that there is a possibility of 2 new underground plutonium production reactor with capacitive even higher than the present 4 official plutonium production reactors.

The new labs(site of first plutonium production in pakistan within PARR series reactors)..but in 1996 when first khushab series reactor was commisioned it had the capability of producing 14kg weapon grade plutonium per year.than in the mean time we built 3 more with even higher capacity.

today if we consider putting off 10-12kg plutonium per warhead(in the range of 100kt) than there a possibility of more than 300 active 100kt warhead with Pakistan

the one dropped on hiroshima was only 22kt and you know the destruction.imagine a destruction with more than 100kt warhead.that too in excess of 300 and growing and growing.

add to this the latest possibility of babur submarine launchd cruise missile each with max capability of taking onboard a 200kt yield equivalent of tnt.imagine 16 of them on each of our submarine.
16 of them each with 200kt warhead can destroy a Pakistan size city.

other than this all i can ask you is to come to Pakistan.and witness it yourself .
Pashtuns never get 2nd class citizen status.we acquire everything with force.
even the punjabi now are admiring our culture.
2 years before my life was very very limited to peshawar,miranshah and bannu and Dera ismail khan.since the day i had come to abbottabad for my MBBS and had met with the non pashtuns.all my doubts about they being hating pashtuns and all this are cleared.

the only people in pakistan against pashtuns today are *******s mahajir of karachi

It's interesting to see how people inside Pak see their country compared to how the rest of the world sees it lol

[~Gangster~]

Wait so if China can take down the U.S and Pakistan can take down China and India can take down Pakistan, Does that mean India is the most powerful at this time?

[Bost Bastan News]

Let suppose the Pakistani pashtuns declare to to join afghanistan along with there land including the ancient Godar which will connect Afghanistan will sea.

will the afghanistan pashtuns agree to kick off the uzbek,tajik and hazara from the Loy Afghanistan?even if they are given a small land to make up there own country in the western afghanistan?will the afghan agree to this

The New Loy Afghanistan will have 95% pashtuns with population around 45millions.
kpk with 25billion(10% of total Pakistan GDP) dollars GDP,
Pashtuns dominated parts of has 90% of the total Balochistan GDP and so does the FATA.Making in total from Pakistani pashtuns as 30-35billion dollars and Afghanistan 20billion dollars.

A nation with 45million population having access to sea and GDP in excess of 50billion dollars can be considered a Good sovereign nation.

Dear Paki dog!

1. where is your evidence for your claims?
2. who gives you Paki the right to talk on Afghan issues?
3. what makes you related to Afghanistan or an Afghan?
4. stop spreading hatred among Afghans. You Paki dogs say you are Pashtuns but want more bloodshed among Pashtuns and other ethnics. Because of you Paki shaitans Pashtuns are suffering, not because of other Afghan tribes
5. what is your answer to the fact that Panjabis use you like prostitutes?
6. when Pashtuns would be the only dominant factor in Afghanistan we had already now a Pashtun state but the fact that we are not the only main factor in the country but among two or three other main factors, Afghanistan is not an exclusively Pashtun state. It´s for all Afghans.

Death to these Panjabai ISI dogs! Why the Admins let Pakistani dogs slander on our brothers and sisters who are no Pashtuns? These Porkistanis are causing only one thing and that is civil war and devision among Afghans.

[Bengal_Tiger]

My dear Khar-Sani friend

first of all i am only concerned to the pashtuns not tajik or farsiwand

Pakistan again is the most powerful Muslim state in south asia and probably the most powerful islamic country to exist till date.we today have the power not only to india but to take down even country like china incase of MAD(mutually assured destruction)

some recent western studies suggest that there is a possibility of 2 new underground plutonium production reactor with capacitive even higher than the present 4 official plutonium production reactors.

The new labs(site of first plutonium production in pakistan within PARR series reactors)..but in 1996 when first khushab series reactor was commisioned it had the capability of producing 14kg weapon grade plutonium per year.than in the mean time we built 3 more with even higher capacity.

today if we consider putting off 10-12kg plutonium per warhead(in the range of 100kt) than there a possibility of more than 300 active 100kt warhead with Pakistan

the one dropped on hiroshima was only 22kt and you know the destruction.imagine a destruction with more than 100kt warhead.that too in excess of 300 and growing and growing.

add to this the latest possibility of babur submarine launchd cruise missile each with max capability of taking onboard a 200kt yield equivalent of tnt.imagine 16 of them on each of our submarine.
16 of them each with 200kt warhead can destroy a Pakistan size city.

other than this all i can ask you is to come to Pakistan.and witness it yourself .
Pashtuns never get 2nd class citizen status.we acquire everything with force.
even the punjabi now are admiring our culture.
2 years before my life was very very limited to peshawar,miranshah and bannu and Dera ismail khan.since the day i had come to abbottabad for my MBBS and had met with the non pashtuns.all my doubts about they being hating pashtuns and all this are cleared.

the only people in pakistan against pashtuns today are *******s mahajir of karachi

1. Pakistan is a country which broke in to half in two in 1971.

The more populous half which was a net exporter and whose money was stolen to fund the western wing gained its freedom.

The Pakistan army was defeated and humiliated, and this humiliation still burns the country today.

2. Pakistan is a country where around 6 people die every day in its biggest city.

3. It is a country where many people, especially in Sindh, southern Punjab etc are rural slaves to Waderas and Zamindars.

4. It is a country where 2/4 provinces are in a state of war and 50,000 people have lost their lives in the past few years.

5. It is a country with over 1 million internally displaced refugees.

What good is the nuclear bomb if you have 1 million refugees, 2 wars, rural slavery, 50,000 dead?

6. It is a country which has less in its foreign exchange reserve than even Afghanistan!

Pakistan around $5 billion, and Afghanistan around $6 billion.

7. It is a country which could go bankrupt and collapse economically if America decides to withold financial aid.

It is a beggar state reliant on US handouts.

8. It is a country where Shias are massacred nearly every week.

9. It is a country where terrorist bombings happen every week.

10. It is a country full of barbarism and pagan-style practices such as "vani" (selling off girls for marriage) and where Muslim women have been stripped off their clothes and made to walk naked as humiliation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sU0cyg8Sv2c

A Pakistani boasting about their nuclear bomb is like a north Korean boasting about their nuclear bomb or a slumdog millionaire Indian boasting about their nuclear bomb.

This gorilla-style chest beating makes those who boast of their nukes look uneducated, cheap and backwards.



"OOH...OOOH....look at me I'm a slumdog Indian/Pakistani/North Korean but I'm soo great because I have a nuclear bomb."

[randolph85]

Pakistan is the only nuclear power to be repeatedly attacked by a foreign state and not do anything about it. not only that, this foreign state is an ally. it is also the only nuclear power to have foreign military bases on its soil lol

and NO, afghans will not agree to ethnically cleanse their minority population for the dreams of sick pakistani with delusions of grandeur. you are out of your damn mind.