Pakhtunkhwa province's Hazara region may secede

[gadoonwal]

Yesterday a freedom march held in karachi for azad sindhodesh by sindhi nationalists.
They were shouting against pakistan and call for complet freedom from pakistan.
It is strange paki media stop publishing this .
BBC news also removed it from its website.
That show how westreners love gulamistan.
This country is on the fall.
The pashtun freedom is directly conected with baluchistan.
If we free pashtunistan today how will we access to the sea so Baluchistan ,s freedom mean the creation of pashtunistan.

[Kushan Prince]

Yesterday a freedom march held in karachi for azad sindhodesh by sindhi nationalists.
They were shouting against pakistan and call for complet freedom from pakistan.
It is strange paki media stop publishing this .
BBC news also removed it from its website.
That show how westreners love gulamistan.
This country is on the fall.
The pashtun freedom is directly conected with baluchistan.
If we free pashtunistan today how will we access to the sea so Baluchistan ,s freedom mean the creation of pashtunistan.

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To this;

The simple answer is that pashtun do not have the right to claim on baluchland.
Pashtuns in baluchistan are living in their own land and that is the northren part.
The coastal area is belong to Baluch and we fully respect that.
How will you feel if others claim on our land?
We want better understanding with our baluch brothers.We are living in the same region for centuries and have more cultural similarities with them.
Baluch never been racist to us unlike tajik make fun of pashtuns and pashtu language.So as punjabis.
Three years ago i created a thread for the fedration of pashtunkhwa wa baluchistan into one greater country.Pashtuns will get access to sea and both side can live side by side in peace .

So first you say we shouldn't have any right on baloch land like the costal areas (which is occupied by markanis) and then in this thread you want a pashtunistan by invading balochistan? LOL your first class hypocrite who has no idea what he is talking about.

[gadoonwal]

I also would like to see Pakistan fall apart and the Punjab/Sindh side be anexed by India, so that the PAshtun and Baloch part can be free, but I still don't see it happening, Majority Pashtuns in PAkistan love Pakistan to death, there is only tiny minority of them wanting to be free, and that only is becuase they are poor and have no real income, but once they become rich they all start to worship Jinnah and PAkistan....-_-

So having big debate and discussion about formation of a province is just silly, and even if Pakistan falls apart, the majority in Hazara province will be still Pashun, so they still can join KPK, I don't think a tiny province with a majority comprised of PAshtun would declare themself a different country.....

.Do,nt follow paki media and gev news.
I agree many pashtuns love pakistan and that is due to their economic condition.
Pashtuns areas are rich in sources but we do,nt have any industries.
They kept pashtuns economically poor.
The oppertunists pashtuns are in the politics and they are the real enemy of pashtuns.They are hired by punjabi establishment to brainwash pashtuns in the name of islam.
Pashtuns at present see no hope from the west of durandline .The punjabi military establishment destroy the pashtun country and many of our pashtuns from afghanistan moved to the east so think about how will you run a country in this situation?
The creation of pashtunistan need money,weapons,support from afghanistan and world community.
The important thing for us as a pashtun the stable and ecconomically strong afghanistan.

Remember our freedom is related to Baluchistan.if Baluchistan get freedom then pashtunistan will be free and we can access to the sea then.
I call on the afghan govt to support Baluchistan and get help from isrealis against pakistan.
pAKISTAN behave far worst then isreal.

All of the above we need someone to bomb the kahota atomic plant of punjabi terrorists state.
The vast majority of pashtuns do not celebrate pak day or 14th august 47.
Since my childhood i have neer seen anything like that in my area and many other areas of pashtunistan.
They make few photo of peshwar and queta to make fool of the world.
Pakistan is known by its nick name ,,pakoray,,,by our elders.
Pakoray will end up in death inshallah.
Death to the supporters of hazara province.
It will not happen soon.
In the past the britishes divided pashtuns today the sell out pashtun leadership of ,,isi,,,is doing this job.


The pro paki leadership of all ethnic groups in pakistan are paid servants of ,,isi,,,.
I see some hope now that the terrorists state of pakistan is on the fall.
The two ethnic groups Sindhis and Baluchis do not want to be part of pakistan.Both group have access to the sea.
We have over 52% pakhtuns in Baluchistan and i am sure we pashtuns will get access to the sea if Baluchistan got freedom.

[gadoonwal]

^compare this

To this;



So first you say we shouldn't have any right on baloch land like the costal areas (which is occupied by markanis) and then in this thread you want a pashtunistan by invading balochistan? LOL your first class hypocrite who has no idea what he is talking about.

many things i do not need to write here.
very simple but if someone like you force me then think about it is it good or bad?
Yes,the coastal area of baluchistan is belong to baluchis and over 52% baluchistan is pashtun farther more no comments.
All i can say we will be in gwadar if Baluchistan get freedom.
sa poha shaway zwana.

[gadoonwal]

^compare this

To this;



So first you say we shouldn't have any right on baloch land like the costal areas (which is occupied by markanis) and then in this thread you want a pashtunistan by invading balochistan? LOL your first class hypocrite who has no idea what he is talking about.

a dump person like you should,nt talk of politics in the first place.
All i can say to you support baluch freedom if you realy care for pashtun afghan interests.Do,nt ask silly questions.

[Kushan Prince]

a dump person like you should,nt talk of politics in the first place.
All i can say to you support baluch freedom if you realy care for pashtun afghan interests.Do,nt ask silly questions.

dude give me a break, everything you say contradicts your views. Way to change goal posts though LOL.

[gadoonwal]

[QUOTE=gadoonwal;733820]many things i do not need to write here.
very simple but if someone like you force me then think about it is it good or bad?
Yes,the coastal area of baluchistan is belong to baluchis and over 52% baluchistan is pashtun farther more no comments.
i delet few lines here,no need to write everything here .

[gadoonwal]

dude give me a break, everything you say contradicts your views. Way to change goal posts though LOL.

It is your misunderstanding nothing more.
For example if i write gwadar is belong to pashtuns how will baluch feel about pashtuns and afghanistan?
This will harm our relation with baluchs.
You will take them for another war with pashtuns and that will be in the interests of punjabi state,right.
so all i can say support baluch freedom and do,nt speak every word you have in your mind for the good of pakhtuns.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Actually, Bengal-Tiger, Pashtuns have passed through many of such conditions in history. Those who think they can assimilate Pashtuns completely and erase their identity are living in fools paradise (50 millions strong people). Even if they change their language (of which there is not even -infinite probability) , the consciousness of a distinct identity will remain.

This time, Pashtun nationalism will end at a consolidated Pashtun nation.

Good to hear that.

I for one would not want the cultural genocide of Pashtuns and their assimilation.

In Turkey for example the majority of Kurds do not speak Kurdish now (though view themselves as Kurds).

The rise of the internet and social media also helps to consolidate Pashtun cultural consciousness and identity.

The "Pakistan" project has not really worked at all e.g. Karachi. Karachi is an ethnically divided city where no one is "Pakistani" but everyone is Mohajir, Pashtun, Balochi, Bengali (3 million), Afghan.

These communities marry from each other (with some small exceptions), bond together. They have not mixed in to a melting pot and are so different they hardly ever will.

[Pakwatan]

Good to hear that.

I for one would not want the cultural genocide of Pashtuns and their assimilation.

In Turkey for example the majority of Kurds do not speak Kurdish now (though view themselves as Kurds).

The rise of the internet and social media also helps to consolidate Pashtun cultural consciousness and identity.

The "Pakistan" project has not really worked at all e.g. Karachi. Karachi is an ethnically divided city where no one is "Pakistani" but everyone is Mohajir, Pashtun, Balochi, Bengali (3 million), Afghan.

These communities marry from each other (with some small exceptions), bond together. They have not mixed in to a melting pot and are so different they hardly ever will.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Yesterday a freedom march held in karachi for azad sindhodesh by sindhi nationalists.
They were shouting against pakistan and call for complet freedom from pakistan.
It is strange paki media stop publishing this .
BBC news also removed it from its website.
That show how westreners love gulamistan.
This country is on the fall.
The pashtun freedom is directly conected with baluchistan.
If we free pashtunistan today how will we access to the sea so Baluchistan ,s freedom mean the creation of pashtunistan.

1. Baloch will never give up their fight for independence.

They fought before Pakistan had the nuclear bomb. They fought after Pakistan had the nuclear bomb.

They fought before 1971 and Bangladeshi freedom. They fought after 1971.

They are a tough people, and their fight goes to the very core of their value system in which they place honour and revenge paramount.


2. The fact that they will never give up means they will keep on eroding away at the Pakistani state.

The Pakistani state is dysfunctional and a mess. Its biggest city, Karachi, is essentially a low-intensity war zone. More people die per week in Karachi than in Damascus proper ("greater Damascus" is different but even then probably more people die in Karachi).

There are water problems in Pakistan, terrorism, ethnic conflict, economic problems.

So even without the BLA, Pakistan is struggling but add the BLA and others on top of that it becomes more difficult.


3. Think of it like mathematics, here are some factors in the equation.

"Baloch will never stop fighting"

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"If (when) Balochistan becomes free the Sindhis seeing the success of Balochi guerilla tactics will copy them"


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"Pakistan after losing half of its territory (i.e. Balochistan) and traumatized mentally will not have the willpower to fight against the far more populous Sindhis (30 million approx, compared to 6 million Balochis) and will let them go."


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"Sindh going means Pakistan is landlocked and a joint state of Pashtuns and Punjabis. Pashtuns will not be interested in staying with Punjabis (a race whom they view as inferior anyway, whereas "Pakistan" is a state many Pashtuns think is an important nuclear power)."


= Pakistan will break up.

Or to simplify it:

Baloch will keep on fighting - Balochi state emerges - Sindhis copy Balochis - Sindhi state emerges - Pakistan no longer exists in reality (e.g. no coast) - Pashtuns break away - Pakistan finished.

[Monster999]

The important thing is that neither Azaad Baluchistan nor Azaad Pashtunisan will get Gwadar. China will never let it happen. So Azaad Baluchistan and Azaad Pashtunisan will both be landlocked.

Sindhi nationalists protest every now and then but Sindhudesh will never become a reality because realistically they can never get rid of Mohajirs who, according to them, are the main threat to Sindh.

[EvilPakistani]

Bengal_pussy is has an unhealthy obsession with pakistan , he just dreams about breaking up Pakistan while his ****hole of a country is on the brink of drowning because of global warming.

If you care so much about minorities in other countries, what about the Chakma people of the Chittagong hill tracts that want independence from Bangladesh?! you're just a typical nationalist hypocrite.

[Since1947]

The important thing is that neither Azaad Baluchistan nor Azaad Pashtunisan will get Gwadar. China will never let it happen. So Azaad Baluchistan and Azaad Pashtunisan will both be landlocked.

Sindhi nationalists protest every now and then but Sindhudesh will never become a reality because realistically they can never get rid of Mohajirs who, according to them, are the main threat to Sindh.

Not only would there be an huge unnecessary bloodshed between 'Muhajirs' and Sindhis, this ''Sindhudesh'' is nothing but an unrealistic joke. Pakistan keeps all these waderas/jageerdars under control. :/

[Toramana]

Good to hear that.

I for one would not want the cultural genocide of Pashtuns and their assimilation.

In Turkey for example the majority of Kurds do not speak Kurdish now (though view themselves as Kurds).

The rise of the internet and social media also helps to consolidate Pashtun cultural consciousness and identity.

The "Pakistan" project has not really worked at all e.g. Karachi. Karachi is an ethnically divided city where no one is "Pakistani" but everyone is Mohajir, Pashtun, Balochi, Bengali (3 million), Afghan.

These communities marry from each other (with some small exceptions), bond together. They have not mixed in to a melting pot and are so different they hardly ever will.

Thanks Bengal_Tiger. Nice observations. It sounds this forum has been flooded by Ranjit Singhis (da lahore mazidgar is one recruit by them). After Baluchis, Sindhis have picked the freedom-flag. See below.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/686523/s...paTsk.facebook

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1111164

Millions of Sindhis Protested for freedom