Pakhtunkhwa province's Hazara region may secede

[Tiger Khan]

I agree with you. Hindkowan are majority in only three districts of KPK and ar less than 4 million in total. While pashtuns are atleast 35 million. Moreover, yes hindkowans are like punjabies and i support hindko provinces, But that should only include Harupir, Abbotabad, and Manshera (Minus Ogai and Baffa region, which is pashtun). Hindkowans are being stupid, three districts would give them anything... but let them give it a shot.. lol..

[Bengal_Tiger]

I agree with you. Hindkowan are majority in only three districts of KPK and ar less than 4 million in total. While pashtuns are atleast 35 million. Moreover, yes hindkowans are like punjabies and i support hindko provinces, But that should only include Harupir, Abbotabad, and Manshera (Minus Ogai and Baffa region, which is pashtun). Hindkowans are being stupid, three districts would give them anything... but let them give it a shot.. lol..

1. A Hazara province would make Pashtuns poorer as the Tarbela dams which are in Haripur would go.

2. Hazaras in fact enjoy disproportionate economic and political advantages in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

Hazara has one of the major industrial areas of NWFP, including Telephone Industry of Pakistan (TIP) and the Hattar Industrial Zone. The region includes Tarbela Dam, which is the largest earth filled dam in the world and generates most of the hydro electricity generated in Pakistan. The Karakoram Highway passes through Hazara. Tourism is also a big industry in Hazara. There is huge potential of hydroelectric powers in Hazara. The Pakistan Military Academy at Kakul, Abbottabad, is where all military officers of Pakistan are trained. The region has tea plantations and the best grade tobacco in Pakistan, in Mansehra.

They enjoy a better quality of life than Pashtuns especially those Pashtuns outside of the Peshawar valley e.g. Malakand etc.

3. If the federation of Pakistan disintegrates as it did in 1971 when the majority east had to separate, and if Hazara is made in to a province, this will become an international border between Pashtunkhwa and Punjab.


4. It is a shame that I have not heard anything from the PMAP on this issue. They should object to a Hazara province or at least call strongly for a Junoobi Pakhtunkhwa province.



Mahmood Khan Achakzai, leader of the PMAP.

[Tiger Khan]

1. A Hazara province would make Pashtuns poorer as the Tarbela dams which are in Haripur would go.

2. Hazaras in fact enjoy disproportionate economic and political advantages in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.





They enjoy a better quality of life than Pashtuns especially those Pashtuns outside of the Peshawar valley e.g. Malakand etc.

3. If the federation of Pakistan disintegrates as it did in 1971 when the majority east had to separate, and if Hazara is made in to a province, this will become an international border between Pashtunkhwa and Punjab.


4. It is a shame that I have not heard anything from the PMAP on this issue. They should object to a Hazara province or at least call strongly for a Junoobi Pakhtunkhwa province.



Mahmood Khan Achakzai, leader of the PMAP.

hmm.. well i think Hinkowan are given undue advantage and it will be lost as soon as they seperate. Moreover, i just dont like hidkowans.. see i know people from paksitan army.. and i was told that potoharies were the most crulest towards Bangalies.. I find potoharies and Hinkowans similar.. You should be aware that abbsais, Rajas, Karlals, kokab etc etc are found in Potohar aswell as the three distritcs of Hazara...

[Bengal_Tiger]

hmm.. well i think Hinkowan are given undue advantage and it will be lost as soon as they seperate. Moreover, i just dont like hidkowans.. see i know people from paksitan army.. and i was told that potoharies were the most crulest towards Bangalies.. I find potoharies and Hinkowans similar.. You should be aware that abbsais, Rajas, Karlals, kokab etc etc are found in Potohar aswell as the three distritcs of Hazara...

1. Potohari is known as the most vulgar, crude and coarse form of Punjabi.

Here in the UK, even other Punjabis disown themselves from Potohari speakers i.e. Mirpuris and Jhelum.

2. Those "Pashtuns" who voted for Imran Khan and the PTI in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa are like Turkeys voting for Christmas.

Imran Khan will make them and their children poorer.

The Hazaras will take the Tarbela dam which is worth billions.

KP has not been paid full royalty due on hydel profits for last 30 years. Furthermore the Tarbela and Mangla Dams were built with World Bank assistance, not Pakistani money. The OP is making excuses for Punjabi domination of Pakistan.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/583504/a-dangerous-precedent-2/

Imran Khan and his PTI have shown themselves to be amateurs with no logic and forward thinking.

On the one hand they insisted on fair use, dealings related to Tarbela dam for KPK.

Now they want to give it away and for Pashtuns to lose it.


Pashtuns made a big mistake by voting for PTI (though apparently the ANP had a lot of corruption).

[Tiger Khan]

There is a good possibility that this plan can get somewhere. PMLN has traditionally drawn from a strong hazaara vote bank. PPPP and ANP are the only two parties I could possibly see opposing this but both are whipped so technically if the ruling party decides to support it the numbers do work out. Can't really say if it will be good or bad the province will be really small but it might give the hazaara in balochistan a place to relocate to, making that province more stable as well.

That strong vote bank is Just 3 NA seats.. lol.. verses pashtun votes 40 seat of KPK and 7 seats bluchistan. Lol their are more pashtuns in Karachi than their are total number of hindkowans in the entire country.

[Talal]

You think Hazara in Baluchistan and the Ones in eastern KPK are the same..,.. how can your opinion be taken seriously.. Also punjab has problem of their own if the province is created, considering the number of Sarakies and Potoharis there.. Moroever, Pashtuns in baluchistan would also want their own province. Mind you more than 10 districts of baluchistan have pashtun majority.

They are predominantly Shia group and I didn't group them based on race rather religion and the fact that both of them have the same sort of roots within the army.

@Bengal_mouse. Man you're just a joke on Internet

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

bloody PTI..i didnt voted for my mamo but his party and he's doing so in KPK.

i am sure if he ever did so.he will never succeed in KPK again.

abbasin division should be created first
pashtun majority areas of balochistan should either be made a new province or merged with KPK.
mianwali was once part of bannu should be made again or atleast merged in kpk
margalla and almost half of the north islamabad was part of kpk should be merged with KPK again.

[Talal]

You think Hazara in Baluchistan and the Ones in eastern KPK are the same..,.. how can your opinion be taken seriously.. Also punjab has problem of their own if the province is created, considering the number of Sarakies and Potoharis there.. Moroever, Pashtuns in baluchistan would also want their own province. Mind you more than 10 districts of baluchistan have pashtun majority.

bloody PTI..i didnt voted for my mamo but his party and he's doing so in KPK.

i am sure if he ever did so.he will never succeed in KPK again.

abbasin division should be created first
pashtun majority areas of balochistan should either be made a new province or merged with KPK.
mianwali was once part of bannu should be made again or atleast merged in kpk
margalla and almost half of the north islamabad was part of kpk should be merged with KPK again.

That's the question isn't it should the lines be drawn based on ethnicity or rather administrative basis?

[Bengal_Tiger]

Talal Punjabi:

@Bengal_mouse. Man you're just a joke on Internet

Thanks for the compliment.

However just to correct your ignorant and uninformed statements on a topic you know nothing about. The Hazaras of the Hazara division have absolutely nothing to do with the Mongoloid Shia Hazaras of Afghanistan.

It is like confusing the US state of Georgia with the ex-Soviet republic of Georgia.

However thanks for showing us all what little you know about Pakistan and how ignorant you are.

[Badlun]

Once a judge, a friend of mine invited me to observe the court proceedings in Mardan. Every body who was coming to the court including the lawyers had one way to plead. Sir kindly decide in our favor because this is Pashtun culture, this is Pashtunwali. My friend used to request them please give some arguments from Penal codes etc but they used to insist on tribal kind of arguments

My friend confided that the provincial judiciary always send us to Hindko speaking areas of Hazara because there the people are educated, law abiding, peaceful and the lawyers have sound knowledge of their profession while Pashto speaking areas are usually run by tribal sentiments not by legal and logical arguments.

This is why we see that a small area of Hindkowans even campaign this much effectively for their own province.

One can observe that the Hindko areas in KP are totally devoid of terrorism. Terrorism and violent extremism are only concentrated in Pashtun areas.

[Kushan Prince]

Nope, The Hazara is Pakistan are a completely different ethnic group as compared with Hazara in Afghanistan. Hazarawal (As pashtun call them) are a mix of Pashtuns, Punjabies and Kashmiris mainly. THey speak Hindko Language, And make up a mjaority in three districts out of 25 districts of Khyber Pukhtunkhwa and the rest of pakistan. Those Districts are Abbotabad (Mostly Hindkowan), Haripur (70% Hindkowan), Mansehra (65% Hindkowan, and remianing Pashtun Ogai tehsil is mostly pashtun and northern Manshera Tehsil is mostly Pashtun). Out of Six districts in Hazara Division two are Pashto speaking (Torghar District and Battagram District), while one is mostly Kohistani (Kohistan District, some pashto in the west of the district). Togather Hazara's population is around 4 million, so it does not make a viable province and pashtuns dont want to seperate from Kyber Pukhunkhwa. Ethnicially largest group in Hazara division is pashtun, but Most Jadoon and tareen speaks Hindko, while some swati settled in majority hindko speaking areas also speak hindko. Idea of Hazara province is ridiculus.

This is the language map of Hindko.

Starey mashe wrora thanks for clearing up the confusion.

[Tiger Khan]

Starey mashe wrora thanks for clearing up the confusion.

No problem wrora . Allah da malgara sha

[Tiger Khan]

That's the question isn't it should the lines be drawn based on ethnicity or rather administrative basis?

We are just kidding ourselves... Saraiki province is not being made of administrative basis. Hazara province is not being made on Administrative basis as well. It is the call of hindkowans in Hazara, (Pashtuns Hazara do not support the province). Moreover, If you want to start creating provinces start from Punjab, which is the largest province. Not KPK which is considered a small province.

[Tiger Khan]

They are predominantly Shia group and I didn't group them based on race rather religion and the fact that both of them have the same sort of roots within the army.

@Bengal_mouse. Man you're just a joke on Internet

You are wrong again.. so stop fixing it.. its ok.. we all make mistakes.. Most Hindkowans are sunnies... Neither groups have more than normal presentation in Army. Only Ayub khan was Hinkdo speaking. Although tar

[Tiger Khan]

1. Potohari is known as the most vulgar, crude and coarse form of Punjabi.

Here in the UK, even other Punjabis disown themselves from Potohari speakers i.e. Mirpuris and Jhelum.

2. Those "Pashtuns" who voted for Imran Khan and the PTI in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa are like Turkeys voting for Christmas.

Imran Khan will make them and their children poorer.

The Hazaras will take the Tarbela dam which is worth billions.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/583504/a-dangerous-precedent-2/

Imran Khan and his PTI have shown themselves to be amateurs with no logic and forward thinking.

On the one hand they insisted on fair use, dealings related to Tarbela dam for KPK.

Now they want to give it away and for Pashtuns to lose it.


Pashtuns made a big mistake by voting for PTI (though apparently the ANP had a lot of corruption).

If Imran Khan makes a mistake like that, he wont win any election from KPK.. Also i dont think they will do it. Also i am a believer of letting people go who do not want to be with you. I am willing to let Hindko Speaking areas of KPK go. THey are traitors.. why would you want them to be a part of you.