Pakhtunkhwa province's Hazara region may secede

[Bengal_Tiger]

I don't believe in solving minor issues and making a big deal out of them while ignoring the bigger issues.

Who cares if they divide one province into two or three?

In Afghanistan Hazaras have their provinces while they don't even live there, they all moved to Iran or Kabul.

Panjsheris have their own province while they all live in North East Kabul.

Just giving people a province doesn't really change much.

There are bigger concerns.

The problem is this, forget about dividing/creating provinces, just re-naming an already existent one took 60 years.

However when another ethnic group then - instead of having to wait for 60 years like Pashtun - demands an entirely new province for themselves is that fair?

Nor will this right to create provinces be given to any non-Punjabis.

The other problem is that some majority Pashtun areas would be included in this Hazara province, Pashtuns who do not want to be part of it.

This also (unless I'm wrong) affects the income/revenue the Pashtuns of KPK get as the hydroelectric dam is in the proposed Hazara province, thus making Pashtuns poorer.

This event (creation of a Hazara province) could pauperize Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

Anyway Hazaras have in fact had it good under the KPK government.

But when one looks at history, nothing of that sort has happened, in fact since independence, Hazara Division has had the honor of claiming the highest number of Chief Ministers than any other division in the former NWFP. These include Sardar Bahadur Khan (1955), Muhammad Iqbal Khan Jadoon (1977), Pir Sabir Shah (1994), and Mehtab Ahmed Khan Abbasi (1999). Incidentally all four were from the Hindko speaking minority

http://iopyne.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/discrimination-against-hazara/

The ANP also never forced the learning of Pashto down anyone's threat and if anything Pashto - in terms of official status - is virtually non-existent in KPK and there is the slow but gradual linguistic de-Pashtunization of Pashtuns.

I speak as someone from a country whose identity, culture, language, economic and political rights were trampled on by the same feudal-military alliance that continues to rule Pakistan today.

[Adam]

A Province with 3 districts? Whats the point?

[Kushan Prince]

lmao who the hell are hazaras? and are they the same as the ones from afghanistan?

[Karachi]

hazara are hindko people, not sure why are they called hazara, the afghan hazara are different

[Tiger Khan]

lmao who the hell are hazaras? and are they the same as the ones from afghanistan?

Nope, The Hazara is Pakistan are a completely different ethnic group as compared with Hazara in Afghanistan. Hazarawal (As pashtun call them) are a mix of Pashtuns, Punjabies and Kashmiris mainly. THey speak Hindko Language, And make up a mjaority in three districts out of 25 districts of Khyber Pukhtunkhwa and the rest of pakistan. Those Districts are Abbotabad (Mostly Hindkowan), Haripur (70% Hindkowan), Mansehra (65% Hindkowan, and remianing Pashtun Ogai tehsil is mostly pashtun and northern Manshera Tehsil is mostly Pashtun). Out of Six districts in Hazara Division two are Pashto speaking (Torghar District and Battagram District), while one is mostly Kohistani (Kohistan District, some pashto in the west of the district). Togather Hazara's population is around 4 million, so it does not make a viable province and pashtuns dont want to seperate from Kyber Pukhunkhwa. Ethnicially largest group in Hazara division is pashtun, but Most Jadoon and tareen speaks Hindko, while some swati settled in majority hindko speaking areas also speak hindko. Idea of Hazara province is ridiculus.

This is the language map of Hindko.

[Tiger Khan]

Although the language map of Hindko has grossly exagerated hindko speakers in Punjab. Most population in Attock, Rawalpindi and Jehlum Districts speaks Punjabi not Hindko.
Finnaly below is the ethnic map of Hazara Division.

[Tiger Khan]

Here is the language map of Khyber Pukhtunkhwa.

[Tiger Khan]

some sources: http://beta.dawn.com/news/608754/cal...rghar-district, http://kpktribune.com/index.php/en/haripur, http://hrgp.org.pk/committees/119-kh...districts.html,

[Talal]

There is a good possibility that this plan can get somewhere. PMLN has traditionally drawn from a strong hazaara vote bank. PPPP and ANP are the only two parties I could possibly see opposing this but both are whipped so technically if the ruling party decides to support it the numbers do work out. Can't really say if it will be good or bad the province will be really small but it might give the hazaara in balochistan a place to relocate to, making that province more stable as well.

[Tiger Khan]

There is a good possibility that this plan can get somewhere. PMLN has traditionally drawn from a strong hazaara vote bank. PPPP and ANP are the only two parties I could possibly see opposing this but both are whipped so technically if the ruling party decides to support it the numbers do work out. Can't really say if it will be good or bad the province will be really small but it might give the hazaara in balochistan a place to relocate to, making that province more stable as well.

You think Hazara in Baluchistan and the Ones in eastern KPK are the same..,.. how can your opinion be taken seriously.. Also punjab has problem of their own if the province is created, considering the number of Sarakies and Potoharis there.. Moroever, Pashtuns in baluchistan would also want their own province. Mind you more than 10 districts of baluchistan have pashtun majority.

[Tiger Khan]

There is a good possibility that this plan can get somewhere. PMLN has traditionally drawn from a strong hazaara vote bank. PPPP and ANP are the only two parties I could possibly see opposing this but both are whipped so technically if the ruling party decides to support it the numbers do work out. Can't really say if it will be good or bad the province will be really small but it might give the hazaara in balochistan a place to relocate to, making that province more stable as well.

here is the map of baluchistan

[Bengal_Tiger]

You think Hazara in Baluchistan and the Ones in eastern KPK are the same..,.. how can your opinion be taken seriously.. Also punjab has problem of their own if the province is created, considering the number of Sarakies and Potoharis there.. Moroever, Pashtuns in baluchistan would also want their own province. Mind you more than 10 districts of baluchistan have pashtun majority.

lol...this Punjabi nationalist's ignorance is amazing Tiger Khana!

The Hazara in Balochistan are Mongoloid people that speak Farsi/Dari and come from Afghanistan.

The Hazara in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa are a totally different people!

The most famous person from the Hazara region is Ayub Khan, a Hindko speaker of Tareen lineage.



3 military dictators that ruled Pakistan, Ayub Khan is on the left.

[Bengal_Tiger]

1. Ataullah Mengal, the BNP leader (Balochi National Party) has agreed that Pashtun areas of northern Balochistan could go their own way and be their own province or join Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

2. Will this new Hazara province that Imran Khan wants to create include the Pashtuns who do not want to be part of it?

Will they then have the right to separate from it?

Or is separation only a right for Punjabis/Hindkos but not for Pashtuns or Bengalis, the latter whom were massacred due to this?


3. If this "Hazara province" is created then what about other regions that want their own province e.g.

Junoobi Pakhtunkhwa (northern Balochistan)

Karachi - the MQM supports a Hazara province so later they can try and do the same and split from Sindh. Sindhi nationalists have threatened all out war if this happens.

4. I believe that Pashtuns should hold a general strike or a mass social media campaign against the Hazara province.

Pashtuns in

- Pekhawar
- Mardan
- Kohat
- Malakand
- Dir
- Quetta
- Karachi

should all hold demonstrations and strikes against this so-called Hazara province.




By the way in the future if this Hazara province were to secede and Pakistan were to disintegrate as a federation these would become international borders between a Pashtun state and a Punjabi state.

[Bengal_Tiger]

A stroke of the pen: ‘Hazara province a matter of appending a comma after Sindh’


By Manzoor AliPublished: September 8, 2013


PESHAWAR:

Politics in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa (K-P) is likely to face a tug of war over the provincial boundary as a resolution demanding a Hazara province will be tabled in the assembly session which starts September 10.

The resolution was submitted on Friday by three Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) lawmakers – Advisor on Higher Education Mushtaq Ahmed Ghani, Advisor on Food Qalandar Khan Lodhi and Sardar Idrees.
Lines seem to have been drawn as the left-of-centre Awami National Party (ANP) termed the move as a “conspiracy to split K-P” on Saturday. The same day in Abbottabad, lawmakers from Hazara – with party loyalties from across the political spectrum – agreed on a “joint struggle” for the creation of a new province.
The 24 lawmakers, representing the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-Fazl (JUI-F), PTI and Qaumi Watan Party (QWP), met to chalk out their future strategy.
“We will act together in assemblies to push our demand of a new province,” Ghani told The Express Tribune. The lawmakers will raise this issue in the provincial as well the National Assembly (NA), he added.
According to the PTI parliamentarian, Chief Minister Pervez Khattak was taken on board before submitting the Hazara resolution.
Ghani also rejected the ANP’s criticism. Given their nominal representation their opposition does not carry much weight, he said. The ANP should support the demand for a separate province and “should not oppose creation of a new province on administrative grounds.”
Carving smaller units will make the federation stronger, as smaller units are easier to govern, argued Ghani.
Right time, wrong issue?
Responding to a question about the timing of the issue, Ghani said the lawmakers have previously been active in the movement for a separate Hazara province. “We were part of the movement, and now, since most of us have been elected, we want to take this up constitutionally.”
PTI MPA Ghani hoped the resolution will successfully sail through the K-P Assembly otherwise, he said, the lawmakers will continue with their struggle.
“The resolution asks for the amendment of Article 2A (I) of the Constitution, wherein a comma is to be included after Sindh to insert Hazara,” and can be amended with a two-third majority in the NA.
The red wall
On Saturday, the ANP rang alarm bells, calling the demand for a Hazara province “a conspiracy to split K-P”.
At a news conference, the party’s organising committee chairperson Senator Haji Adeel argued the PTI-led government was using the Hazara issue to distract everyone from its performance over the last three months. He proceeded to call for the merger of Attock, Mianwali and Margalla with K-P.
Senator Adeel demanded the provincial government establish the Abaseen division before carving out a Hazara province.

Hazara Movement and Abseen Division

The call for a separate Hazara province cropped up in April 2010 after the renaming of erstwhile NWFP as Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa. The change of name did not enjoy unanimous support in the region. Protests for a Hazara province led to the death of seven people. Later an octogenarian politician from Abbottabad Baba Haider Zaman tried to streamline public resentment and launched the Tehreek Suba-e-Hazara to push for the region’s separation from K-P.

However, the then ANP government tried to counter the demand by carving out the Abaseen Division, separating the three districts of Kohistan, Battagram and Torghar, where the majority speak Pashto. Former chief minister Ameer Haider Khan Hoti announced creation of the Abaseen division in June 2011 at a public meeting in Kohistan but it has yet to take effect as new districts and divisions cannot be created before a national census.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/601697/a-stroke-of-the-pen-hazara-province-a-matter-of-appending-a-comma-after-sindh/

[Tiger Khan]

A stroke of the pen: ‘Hazara province a matter of appending a comma after Sindh’


By Manzoor AliPublished: September 8, 2013


PESHAWAR:

Politics in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa (K-P) is likely to face a tug of war over the provincial boundary as a resolution demanding a Hazara province will be tabled in the assembly session which starts September 10.

The resolution was submitted on Friday by three Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) lawmakers – Advisor on Higher Education Mushtaq Ahmed Ghani, Advisor on Food Qalandar Khan Lodhi and Sardar Idrees.
Lines seem to have been drawn as the left-of-centre Awami National Party (ANP) termed the move as a “conspiracy to split K-P” on Saturday. The same day in Abbottabad, lawmakers from Hazara – with party loyalties from across the political spectrum – agreed on a “joint struggle” for the creation of a new province.
The 24 lawmakers, representing the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-Fazl (JUI-F), PTI and Qaumi Watan Party (QWP), met to chalk out their future strategy.
“We will act together in assemblies to push our demand of a new province,” Ghani told The Express Tribune. The lawmakers will raise this issue in the provincial as well the National Assembly (NA), he added.
According to the PTI parliamentarian, Chief Minister Pervez Khattak was taken on board before submitting the Hazara resolution.
Ghani also rejected the ANP’s criticism. Given their nominal representation their opposition does not carry much weight, he said. The ANP should support the demand for a separate province and “should not oppose creation of a new province on administrative grounds.”
Carving smaller units will make the federation stronger, as smaller units are easier to govern, argued Ghani.
Right time, wrong issue?
Responding to a question about the timing of the issue, Ghani said the lawmakers have previously been active in the movement for a separate Hazara province. “We were part of the movement, and now, since most of us have been elected, we want to take this up constitutionally.”
PTI MPA Ghani hoped the resolution will successfully sail through the K-P Assembly otherwise, he said, the lawmakers will continue with their struggle.
“The resolution asks for the amendment of Article 2A (I) of the Constitution, wherein a comma is to be included after Sindh to insert Hazara,” and can be amended with a two-third majority in the NA.
The red wall
On Saturday, the ANP rang alarm bells, calling the demand for a Hazara province “a conspiracy to split K-P”.
At a news conference, the party’s organising committee chairperson Senator Haji Adeel argued the PTI-led government was using the Hazara issue to distract everyone from its performance over the last three months. He proceeded to call for the merger of Attock, Mianwali and Margalla with K-P.
Senator Adeel demanded the provincial government establish the Abaseen division before carving out a Hazara province.

Hazara Movement and Abseen Division

The call for a separate Hazara province cropped up in April 2010 after the renaming of erstwhile NWFP as Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa. The change of name did not enjoy unanimous support in the region. Protests for a Hazara province led to the death of seven people. Later an octogenarian politician from Abbottabad Baba Haider Zaman tried to streamline public resentment and launched the Tehreek Suba-e-Hazara to push for the region’s separation from K-P.

However, the then ANP government tried to counter the demand by carving out the Abaseen Division, separating the three districts of Kohistan, Battagram and Torghar, where the majority speak Pashto. Former chief minister Ameer Haider Khan Hoti announced creation of the Abaseen division in June 2011 at a public meeting in Kohistan but it has yet to take effect as new districts and divisions cannot be created before a national census.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/601697/a...a-after-sindh/

Moreover, if Imran khan ever want to have a policital future, he shouldnt do this. Finanally, Hindkowans make majority in only three districts of Kyber Pukhtunkhwa. Pashtuns are atleast 35 million in pakistan, while hindkowans are less than 4 million. Bengali i agree with you. Hinkowans are actually just like punjabies, but