Afghan Sikhs and Hindus got seat allocation in Parliament

[Khorosani]

i didn't read the rest of your bs but i did happen to glance over at this. and since you are so confused and it's pretty obvious, i would like to remind you for the third and last time.
in order for you not to lose sleep over the fear of others practicing their religion, you need to be and convinced that they are not a threat to you. you consider women incapable of understanding current events, what is right or wrong and the nature life. you don't consider them proper academics. in conclusion, all of the above have been claimed by you and by those very terms you are declared a mindless moron. a mindless dumbass of a moron will be treated accordingly wherever he goes. it will have nothing to do with his religous beliefs or ethnical background. however, he will make it seem otherwise because he is too much of a moron to realize he is wrong and to wallow in self pity or blame others, he needs an excuse.
would you like me to educate you further or do you think we have reached an understanding??

This makes no sense what so ever. You said i don't know basic things in life, that means that me and those you claimed otherwise don't know these basics. This eludes to principles. You never spoke of principles at all. I never said that women are unable i said some women can't be academics because, as we can see above (your the perfect evidence that can be used here), they mix their emotions and bring an attitude in a conversation or in any academic discourse that takes place. As well using a site like wikiislam also showed you can't have any academic discourse, if you use that as a source in a university paper it would be rejected. In addition women can be academics, but you're not cut from the same cloth as they are (non muslim and muslim women).

Until you answer my questions fully and redeem yourself in your lies, you've proven yourself as a fool and a liar all ready by lying on Muslims burning synagogues and churches, the reason why jizya is taken, and that the sharia stones women who have been raped.

[Tjanaparh]

It is funny You even believe in this funny things like ottoman laws were just.
They mistreated very well the minorities and it was a curse that most of my brothers got christianized and followed this stupid christian ideology of being a "sheep" and letting themselves kill and missuse.
The simple Armenian had no right in the Ottoman empire, it were some rich Armenians who brought money to the Sultan that were respected and well treated, but these people were real sell outs to their own people.
Same was this criminal organization of church.
Western Armenia was continously a region of violence towards simple people.

[DaZahroJaam.]

This makes no sense what so ever. You said i don't know basic things in life, that means that me and those you claimed otherwise don't know these basics. This eludes to principles. You never spoke of principles at all. I never said that women are unable i said some women can't be academics because, as we can see above (your the perfect evidence that can be used here), they mix their emotions and bring an attitude in a conversation or in any academic discourse that takes place. As well using a site like wikiislam also showed you can't have any academic discourse, if you use that as a source in a university paper it would be rejected. In addition women can be academics, but you're not cut from the same cloth as they are (non muslim and muslim women).

Until you answer my questions fully and redeem yourself in your lies, you've proven yourself as a fool and a liar all ready by lying on Muslims burning synagogues and churches, the reason why jizya is taken, and that the sharia stones women who have been raped.

I hope this answers your question. Good bye.

[Khorosani]

I hope this answers your question. Good bye.

and thank you for further proving my point.

[Khorosani]

It is funny You even believe in this funny things like ottoman laws were just.
They mistreated very well the minorities and it was a curse that most of my brothers got christianized and followed this stupid christian ideology of being a "sheep" and letting themselves kill and missuse.
The simple Armenian had no right in the Ottoman empire, it were some rich Armenians who brought money to the Sultan that were respected and well treated, but these people were real sell outs to their own people.
Same was this criminal organization of church.
Western Armenia was continously a region of violence towards simple people.

I provided an article from a source which has historical integrity, while you are sharing with me your own thoughts!

No state is perfect, but if we compare our current times in the Muslim world to the time of the Ottomans, yeah on almost every field their management of state wins.

[Tjanaparh]

I provided an article from a source which has historical integrity, while you are sharing with me your own thoughts!

No state is perfect, but if we compare our current times in the Muslim world to the time of the Ottomans, yeah on almost every field their management of state wins.

I can talk for myself and to me the memory of my own family and of people I know has more value than any paper, that is what my faith teaches.
You can find however plenty of articles, but if i have to share an article there will be lost any sense of conversation with me.
Articles are written many, and some are not at all corresponding to reality (I don't mean that subjectively to your article, our peoples articles contain like those from other sources only a part of reality. , so i prefer to talk for my own.)

I don't see any difference in the two systems however, like in Ottoman times Hamidiye groups were going throughout our villages and taking almost everything from the people and killing or kidnapping them, the same way the West invades your homeland and kills your people and uses them or before the West there was USSR, Britain...

What Ottomans did was no way different.

[Khorosani]

I can talk for myself and to me the memory of my own family and of people I know has more value than any paper, that is what my faith teaches.
You can find however plenty of articles, but if i have to share an article there will be lost any sense of conversation with me.
Articles are written many, and some are not at all corresponding to reality (I don't mean that subjectively to your article, our peoples articles contain like those from other sources only a part of reality. , so i prefer to talk for my own.)

I don't see any difference in the two systems however, like in Ottoman times Hamidiye groups were going throughout our villages and taking almost everything from the people and killing or kidnapping them, the same way the West invades your homeland and kills your people and uses them or before the West there was USSR, Britain...

What Ottomans did was no way different.

Look, The Ottomans ruled almost 90 years ago, when they were all ready corrupt as Kabul so mentioning your personal account makes no sense because I know for a fact that you didn't live 90 years ago. Unless you bring some historical facts that are completely consistent than your evidence doesn't help your point. If you want to mention the Armenian Genocide that doesn't help you an inch in your argument because that was perpetrated by the Young Turks, the spineless secularists who cursed the Prophet (SAW) and his religion.

My point is simple, at the time when there was sharia there was 1000% more prosperity than the secular, democratic, western imperialistic age we are living in now. Let Muslims rule and you'll see that in 50 years we'll insha'Allah establish ourselves and have a society that WORKS not a society that has unrealistic rights and norms that do not conceptualize in the real world.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

The end of Ottoman empire was far worse than what Americans are doing right now. Thats a fact.

[Khorosani]

The end of Ottoman empire was far worse than what Americans are doing right now. Thats a fact.

The end, maybe, no doubt there is much more poverty now but there was more war than. But somewhere in between the 14-17 hundreds when the Ottomans were ruling? There's no comparison.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

The end, maybe, no doubt there is much more poverty now but there was more war than. But somewhere in between the 14-17 hundreds when the Ottomans were ruling? There's no comparison.

The thing is, around 300 years ago, the Ottomans started experimenting with using alternative laws rather than what was prescribed in Quran & Sunnah.

Aside from that, corruption, extorsion, discrimination and all other sorts of problems occured.

Sadly many Muslims today deny the real reason behind the downfall of the Ottoman empire.

[Khorosani]

The thing is, around 300 years ago, the Ottomans started experimenting with using alternative laws rather than what was prescribed in Quran & Sunnah.

Aside from that, corruption, extorsion, discrimination and all other sorts of problems occured.

Sadly many Muslims today deny the real reason behind the downfall of the Ottoman empire.

I agree, but my point is our Ottomans with all their problems > our current Era (unless you count the mujahideen and the thumping dawah that is occurring currently than maybe its a tie :P)

[Badlun]

yeah, i'm done talking with you and your blatant hate for islam. Not interested.

It means I won the argument that is why you are done
I do not hate Islam. I hate Islamism and extremism.

[Khorosani]

It means I won the argument that is why you are done
I do not hate Islam. I hate Islamism and extremism.

No, you only proved your hate for Islam itself and that's why i'm done talking with you. You don't answer anything i say and always ignore it with the same cliches (such as taliban is something new that popped up in our 1400 year islamic tradition).

[Tjanaparh]

Look, The Ottomans ruled almost 90 years ago, when they were all ready corrupt as Kabul so mentioning your personal account makes no sense because I know for a fact that you didn't live 90 years ago. Unless you bring some historical facts that are completely consistent than your evidence doesn't help your point. If you want to mention the Armenian Genocide that doesn't help you an inch in your argument because that was perpetrated by the Young Turks, the spineless secularists who cursed the Prophet (SAW) and his religion.

My point is simple, at the time when there was sharia there was 1000% more prosperity than the secular, democratic, western imperialistic age we are living in now. Let Muslims rule and you'll see that in 50 years we'll insha'Allah establish ourselves and have a society that WORKS not a society that has unrealistic rights and norms that do not conceptualize in the real world.

My personal account is the whole history of my family and my relatives families, my family is relatively young, yoou are right, it traces only 210 years back, but others are londer.
Listen, there have been longer times of big problems within the whole times of ottoman empire, if you like to read you may read a lot of literature, if you are intrested in older times read Arakel from Tabriz and you find what our church and the Sultan were doing. I don't know if his work is translated in English or not, but You may search. I am not here to bring you books and claim evidence by links, build yourself your opinion studying the aspect from all sides. It is easy to find links against of for anything, still it doesn't mean much.
The fact is that our people hadn't much rights on our own lands.
On genocide, the whole rule over my nation starting from christianization till kemalists was a genocide. But if you don't know systematic killings of Armenians started under Abdulhamid II , not under Young Turks, simply young Turks were very special beasts while the sultan was simply a cruel leader. Also most youngturks were hidden Jews, so it is normal they hated all about Islam, they had their own very cruel interests and were crazy racists.
But that doesn't mean that before everything was good and nice. Also please remember one thing is being stranger in a foreign coountry, the other is being prisoner on your land. Now that US is in Afghanistan you should know what that means and under USSR the same. The whole Ottoman politics was in using those Armenians who were rich for their gains and treating the simple landworkers as slaves that hadn't almost rights. Yes officialy they had a lot of institutions but in fact it was all a mask with a lot of cruelties. Simply most of us got christianized and where educated as sheeps never to oppose, so we were known as the "obeying villayats", and that is why we lost much poppulation and almost whole our territory except some portions of high mountains.
But by all our faults and missing opposition that doesn't make these Ottoman rulers different than any empire. And by the way they practized enough immoral deeds.
I have to leave now, sorry i may continue another time, all the best to you.

[Khorosani]

My personal account is the whole history of my family and my relatives families, my family is relatively young, yoou are right, it traces only 210 years back, but others are londer.
Listen, there have been longer times of big problems within the whole times of ottoman empire, if you like to read you may read a lot of literature, if you are intrested in older times read Arakel from Tabriz and you find what our church and the Sultan were doing. I don't know if his work is translated in English or not, but You may search. I am not here to bring you books and claim evidence by links, build yourself your opinion studying the aspect from all sides. It is easy to find links against of for anything, still it doesn't mean much.
The fact is that our people hadn't much rights on our own lands.
On genocide, the whole rule over my nation starting from christianization till kemalists was a genocide. But if you don't know systematic killings of Armenians started under Abdulhamid II , not under Young Turks, simply young Turks were very special beasts while the sultan was simply a cruel leader. Also most youngturks were hidden Jews, so it is normal they hated all about Islam, they had their own very cruel interests and were crazy racists.
But that doesn't mean that before everything was good and nice. Also please remember one thing is being stranger in a foreign coountry, the other is being prisoner on your land. Now that US is in Afghanistan you should know what that means and under USSR the same. The whole Ottoman politics was in using those Armenians who were rich for their gains and treating the simple landworkers as slaves that hadn't almost rights. Yes officialy they had a lot of institutions but in fact it was all a mask with a lot of cruelties. Simply most of us got christianized and where educated as sheeps never to oppose, so we were known as the "obeying villayats", and that is why we lost much poppulation and almost whole our territory except some portions of high mountains.
But by all our faults and missing opposition that doesn't make these Ottoman rulers different than any empire. And by the way they practized enough immoral deeds.
I have to leave now, sorry i may continue another time, all the best to you.

One stain in Ottoman history does not discredit all the good that it had going for it when it was closer to sharia. In addition, the Armenians are not all innocent either, we have to be just on that point. My point is when they were closer to sharia we didn't have the same problems. Forget the Ottomans lets compare the Abasids, Mamluks, Ummayads or even better the khulufa ar rashidun. Lets compare with the Ayoubis, the Murabitun, the muwahidun and other great Islamic kingdoms, the Uthmaniyya are only a small portion of our history. Nobody is perfect, we're only human. However when we were establishing justice and trying to follow the sharia we changed the demographics of the area and brought security and prosperity by the permission of Allah.