Fountainhead of Jihad The Haqqani Nexus, 1973-2012

[Badlun]

I am not defending Taliban, I am defending truth. You cant demonize the Taliban with lies, it does not work. We must study how they came to be, the environment in Afghanistan and recently in Pakistan which gave them a rise.

How they came from nothing into a force that took 90% of the country not once but twice and both times they spread like wildfire and took the criminal warlords by surprise. How a ragtag "gang" is challenging a superpower of 42 nations. why are the Pashtuns disenfranchised in their own country. Why are the afghan people approaching them to handle disputes rather than their government. Why is the ANA not standing on its own feet after 12 years and hundreds of billions of dollars later. Why is the afghan gov leaving out the last 30 years of its history from the school curriculum which I believe is the most important thing to learn so as not to repeat those same mistakes. How could you not teach your future leaders of how your country was destroyed.
Answer these questions with honesty and in it lies the answers that could rid of these people you hate so much.

Pak this, pak that, hitler this, hitler that, against women education, raped looted this and that. these are all lies that have been refuted like a thousand times with credible sources.
Man up and quit the lies and tell the truth. "Kafir" is the Arabic word for "cover." One who covers up the truth. you claim to be a sufi, but when you cover up the truth, you are practicing kafiryat.

You are defending Taliban because you call them The Truth! Why this unique phenomenon of Taliban is limited only to poor Pashtuns? Why they take control of Pashtun lives? How they only become a force in Pashtunland while no where else you do not have this menace?

Why all the terrorists in Pakistan and Afghanistan are mostly Pashtuns? This is a question which makes me uneasy and I wish we can separate the terrorism and Pashtunwali. Terrorism has been concentrated in Pashtun areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan, besides the Terrorism in Iraq, Spain, Srilanka, Colombia and few other places in the world. Pashtun areas present the worst scene. In Afghanistan 100 % suicide bombers and fighters against the Afghan and other forces are Pashtuns. In Pakistan they are almost 80%. Majority are young Pashtun boys and girls.

Why this is so? It’s mostly because of the lethal combination of Pashtunwali and Wahabi Deobandi extremist Islam. Two fires have been merged into a gigantic flame. Pashtuns being sincere, simple, independent minded people and Wahabi teachings of promulgation of Sharia without state make a very dangerous mixture and threat to Afghanistan, Pakistan and the world at large.

I know that Terrorism is a multidimensional phenomenon. The lethal combination of Pashtunwali and extremist Islam is the major cause of terrorism -not the only cause - army , intelligence agencies , new world order, new great game, poverty, ignorance , illiteracy, misunderstanding of religious teachings , ethnicity, separatism, nationalism, sense of deprivation, aggravation, oppression ,economic or cultural disadvantage, non democracy, wrong globalization ,inferiority complex, etc can be other the causes and reasons.

For me in our context Pashtunwali and extremist Islam are the main reason of terrorism, suicide bombings and all other such evils. Why this is so. The simple answer is because it’s happening there, in Pashtun areas physically practically no where else. I personally know that these are Pashtuns who explode themselves, very few from other ethnicities in Pakistan and Afghanistan, in Iraq yes they are Arabs, in Srilanka Tamils.

If some one says that this is because of others that Pashtuns became terrorists or terrorism is present in Pashtunland. But you might have heard the story that one judge arrested the man who was robbed instead of arresting the thief, because the man provided the opportunity of theft to the thief. This is we Pashtuns who let others to play with us, we are susceptible, the fault lies with us that Arabs and Americans and Punjabis and others play with us. Why we let them to do so .Why they don’t do it with others why with us only. We have to dismantle the lethal combination of extremist Islam and Pashtunwali; otherwise Pashtuns will suffer further and will be more victimized.

Pashtuns as a whole are not extremists .I use the word extremist for Islamists not for Pashtuns and for me the mixture of Pashtunwali and extremist Islam is lethal not Pashtunwali separately or Islam as a religion separately. When Islam in the shape of extremism, fundamentalism, obscurantism , Puritanism , fanaticism, immoderation, zealotry, activism, intemperance, radicalism without moderation is merged with the innocence, sincerity , hospitality, honesty , genuineness, earnestness, naturalness, unexpectedness, authenticity and candor of Pashtuns , then it becomes dangerous.

Here one may note that for me Pashtunwali is positive, extremist Islam is negative. Pashtunwali is a fertile soil for the weeds of extremist Islam where it flourishes with vigor. The more Pashtuns are less religious extremists, lesser will be the chances of terrorism. I always suggest that the best way to combat terrorism in Pashtun areas is to make the Pashtuns aware of their Pashtunwali and to create distance between Pashtuns and extremist Islam or any ideology because Pashtuns are simple. sometimes simpleton or even stupid and are easily deceived and cheated by others

I have first hand experience of the observing extremist Islam in Pashtuns and have enough knowledge of ground reality. The solution is to make Pashtuns more practicing Pashtuns and limit the religion only to metaphysical beliefs, worship and a kind of morality not interfering in social, political and other aspects of life.

I am not against Islam. I am against extremism, obscurantism, fanaticism and religious bigotry. My concern is about the combination of the Extremist Islam in the shape of Taliban, Salafism and Al Qaida and Pashtunwali. The religious extremism in Pashtuns can be minimized by making Pashtunwali and Pashtun nationalism and Pashtun culture and fine arts more dominant in Pashtun society.

Pashtuns were not religious extremists before the invasion of the erstwhile USSR IN 1979. When the religion was brought to defeat communism and atheism, there Pashtunwali and extremist Islam were mixed and this lethal combination till today is a nightmare for Pashtuns. Pashtuns were very secular before that period. Mulla had his role limited to mosque and religious ceremonies and he was not at all interfering in social, political and economic life of Pashtuns. Pashtuns were at peace with each other and with others. Once the bigotry of Deobandi extremists and terrorism of Salafis and Wahabis were brought to Pashtunland, the fire made became a gigantic flame which is till today burning Pashtuns, Muslims and the whole world.

The conclusion is the suggestion that Pashtunwali should become the norm and value of Pashtuns culture and society. Islam should remain only a religion for spiritual and religious or moral purposes only. Otherwise the emotions of Pashtunwali and religious extremism of political Islam will become a doomsday for Pashtuns, Muslims and the world.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

You gotta admire Badluns presistency on his fabricated and farcical definition of religion and worship. Its like he is in a fantasy world where he decides what is what.

[Badlun]

Barakzai
Thanks once again for your detailed and valuable comments on my post. I have to take some time out and start referencing my posts haha .

However your main assumption that Taliban is product of the local environment is correct but this product is not a good product and we have to change the factory. The solution should be internal I agree and according to my analysis the right approach to the solution of the problems of Pashtuns is given below in my article written some times back.

This article will enable me to explain what I think and feel about Pashtuns and their problems. I shall try my level best to write in a way that the reader may understand me because if the reader doesn’t understand me then it’s my problem not the reader’s as I should blame myself not others for a problem related to me. I should use ways and means to make others understand not others should have extra efforts to understand me. If they can’t make out of what I write then I should explain in a better way. Teacher is responsible not student for bad learning. I shall try to be concise, precise and comprehensive; if still I am not clear then Ieaders.

I am of the bent of mind that fault lies with me not with others. This is my approach, ideology, idiosyncrasy or what ever you call it. I use this approach in problems solution, management and conflict resolution. When there is a problem, a conflict, a management issue, an imbroglio, mess, can of worms, my focus is on the effected, on the one who suffers not on the cause or the agent of causing the problem. This approach is based on my lateral thinking, creative and innovative ways to tackle issues which may not seem normal, standard way of looking at things.

It’s quite common and easy to blame others than to take the responsibility on ones own shoulders. It’s a common behavior pattern on individual, social and political level to blame others, the easiest way to tackle the issue. Even if it’s obvious that the other is at fault, still I think that I gave him or her opportunity to cause me a problem. I blame the house owner not the thief. Why the thief does not rob others why him or her?

If I am poor then I am responsible for it not the colonial power or my boss or another province or nation. If Pashtuns don't have sovereignty, then they are responsible for it not others. Why they don’t have , because they never asked for it in a pragmatic, democratic , peaceful acceptable manner from the ones who are not giving it to them. If about 200 nations in the world have sovereignty , why not Pashtuns

All people don't think equally, that's why we have wars, problems, conflicts, schools of thoughts, differences , religions ,parties etc. One can oppose to my approach as I oppose to others. Others may blame others for the problems of Pashtuns but I blame Pashtuns not others. This is the way I look at the problem of Pashtuns.

When I don't hold others like Punjabis, ISI, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Tajiks, USA, CIA, etc responsible for the problems of Pashtuns , and some hold them responsible , then its the difference of looking at things from two different prisms. It does not mean that I am doing propaganda for them or I am their agent but I have my own way of looking at things and I am trying to present my case why Pashtuns are responsible for their problems not others. THE SOLUTION IS REFORMATION, RENAISSANCE, AND RECONSTRUCTION NOT BLAMING OTHERS.

My this approach I don't apply only on Pashtuns but this I apply everywhere, on my own self, on my family, on my friends, on Muslims, on Palestinians, on Jews on all from individual to family, to society to country and to the world. My approach is not only for failures or problems but also for successes and achievements.

If USA is the world super power then she deserves it, if tiny Israel is giving tough time to so many Arabs then Israel only be admired for that. If Muslims from Makah and Medina started and conquered almost the whole known world of that time, then must be given the credit. If Khiljis, Lodhis and Suris governed India then these Pashtuns must be appreciated. Its simple reward and punishment game.

Introducing my approach a little bit, now I would like to comment further on what’s happening in Pashtun lands and why I hold Pashtuns responsible for what’s going on. What’s going on Pashtun areas? First problem identification then causes and finally its solution

A SHORT LIST OF THE PROBLEMS AND ISSUES IN PASHTUN AREAS AND SOCIETY

Terrorism ,Religious Extremism, Violence ,Insurgency ,Suicide bombings, Abundance of Madrassas and Tablighis, Male chauvinism, Law and order issues, Absence of security , Ignorance, Intolerance towards others, no Democracy , Radicalization of Pashtuns, Obscurantist trends, No Education, Plight of women, the rule of Mullah and Taliban, No commercial and industrial activities, no Scientific and technological development, no Nobel Prizes, no Advancement of knowledge , Literature , natural/social sciences and philosophy, Almost no Inheritance for women, Almost no women Education, Burqa and veil curse ,Low social status of Pashtun specially in non Pashtun areas like Karachi , Emirates etc, tribal system, health issues, family planning, big families, poverty, no official status of Pashto in practice, no good news papers of Pashto , No reading and writing of Pashto language, some bad customs in Pashtunwali and Pashtun way of life , proverbial innocence, tenacity, war like nature , belligerence, stubbornness etc of Pashtuns , no excellent media, smuggling, drug trafficking, agricultural problems, land distribution system , political distribution in two countries and many provinces within Pakistan and Afghanistan and many other social, economic, political, religious, economic and educational issues.

After identifying some of the main problems and issues of Pashtuns and their society, now I shall very briefly talk about the causes of all these problems.

One can imagine easily that problems are always a vicious circle. One problem generates another and the snowball effect magnifies the volume and size of the predicament. For example lack of modern education causes problems like religious extremism, obscurantism, terrorism etc and these problems cause lack of opportunities for imparting and receiving modern education.

Similarly no official status of Pashto language making its writing and reading difficult and scarce but no reading and writing of Pashto by almost 70 millions of Pashtuns make this language deprived of any official status. Some bad customs in Pashtun society, tribalism, and stubbornness of Pashtuns make them ignorant, uneducated and ignorance and no education make Pashtuns more tribal and stubborn.

Simple conclusion is that one problem become cause of the other and what’s important is breaking this vicious circle on all fronts and making Pashtuns a modern, prosperous, progressive, well educated and developed people.

Now coming to the most important part, how can we solve all these problems and issues?

My solution as always is based on self observation, self critical, self improvement, reformation, education, change, development, renaissance, renovation, reorganization, restructuring, overhaul, and rectification NOT BLAMING OTHERS. Even if Pashtuns are sure that my this very problem is because of Punjabis, USA etc, they should not concentrate on blaming them, but should retrospect their own selves that why Punjabis is doing such and such with us. Why we become prey to their hunting. How can we make ourselves strong enough that they may not dare to harm us?

My this approach is based on some political and philosophical notions like Realism and Pragmatism, on some very simple proverbs like as you sow so shall you reap, on verses of Rahaman Baba like kar da gulo ka che sima de gulzar shi, kar da azcho makrha che pa pkho ke ba de khar shi( if you sow flowers you ll get a garden of flowers, if you sow thorns then you shall get your feet injured) , on some Quranic verses like one cannot change oneself if he or she does not want that, some sayings of the Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) that every one is responsible for his/her own deeds etc.

My approach is internal, intrinsic, within our own selves not targeting others.
USA destroyed parts of Japan in Second World War, instead of blaming USA, Japan concentrated on self improvement even by making USA its friend and now the success of Japan as an economic power is not a secret.

My request to all Pashtuns is to concentrate on their own self improvement instead of wasting energies against their enemies. Something is wrong with us that’s are why others are having opportunities to destroy us and deprive us of our own rights and privileges.

I know the complexity of the problems of Pashtun society and its solution is not easy. It’s like asking for a moon but for thousands years of journey we have to take the first step from the zero. The worst thing is that there is no any such reformation movement in Pashtun areas. The political parties are busy in their day to day politics. NGOs are either not allowed to work in Pashtunland or they concentrate on particular issues like alleviation of poverty etc.

Bacha khan Foundation may be an exception and for the time being the only hope. Other intellectuals are either busy in writing poetry or blaming others for the problems of Pashtuns. I wish we could have a reformist/educational movement for all Pashtun areas in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

The local population must rise against Taliban and should expel them from Pashtunland. This was seen in some parts of Pashtunkhwah as Bajaur and had good consequences.

We can have a two pronged policy, working for peace by expelling Taliban and meanwhile educating and reforming Pashtuns and having legal business and commercial activities.

A detailed research is required on the issue of the tribal system and Pashtuns. For me the only positive aspect of the tribal system is keeping alive the Pashtun identity and some good customs and traditions of Pashtuns other wise its an evil which must be wiped off if a balance can be maintained between preserving Pashtun identity, values and the extirpation if tribal system.

The very non democratic nature of tribal system, the male dominance in tribal affairs specially in jirgas, customs like swara, the role of malaks and khans, honor killings, the system of collective punishment, the absence of any effective judicial or legislative or executive system, the authoritative role of political agents, unpredictability of tribal leadership, loyalty to tribe instead of over all Pashtun cause, internal tribal wars and fights, resistance to modern education and development, tribalism as an obstacle in a national government of Pashtuns are some of the aspects which require urgent reformation and restructuring of tribal system in Pashtun areas in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

I differentiate Pashtun tribalism from other tribal systems as in Europe, Pakistan, and Kurds etc. Pashtun tribal system has its own peculiarities. I agree that Pashtun society in general is egalitarian but the tribal system depends more on maliks and tribal leaders and collective responsibility than on individual fundamental freedom rights. I don't say that political agent in Pakistan is an indispensable or integral part of tribal system. I hate that institution and it must be eradicated as soon as possible. He is a dictator in a system where there is no judiciary, no legislature only a despotic executive.

I know something of the Pashtun social fabric both in villages and cities , both in tribal and settled areas , and what ever I don't know will learn from friends. I feel no hesitation in learning something new. IF I AM TRYING TO REFORM PASHTUN SOCIETY I MUST REFORM FIRST MY OWN SELF.

I don't think that tribal system is based on total equality. In tribal system individual rights are smashed. I have lived part of my life in tribal areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan and I know how an individual survives in tribal society. What matters is the tribe, the society, the malik, sardar, warlords, drug traffickers, the political agent, not an individual Pashtun man or woman. Don't talk of woman. My heart weeps when I see that women have no say in any tribal or social affair of Pashtun society. I love Pashtun tribal system that it makes Pashtunwali alive, but the system can be reformed.


Once again I will stress that I don't deny role of external factors and contextual elements in a reformation process. Our behavior as an individual and as a group or nation is our response to a stimulus and stimulus is any change in environment. Environment may be biological, social, economic, cultural or of any other type. But what I SUGGEST THAT WE MAY NOT BLAME THESE EXTERNAL FACTORS FOR OUR PROBLEMS and we as an individual, group or society may control our external factors too so that we receive positive stimulus not negative. And my reforms are not on individual basis I want a collective effort WITH THE HELP OF FRIENDS AND WANT TO ESTABLISH AN EDUCATIONAL AND DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

I agree with the uniqueness of each individual but society and collective goals make the destination one through education for collective benefits. Each individual quality when combined with others becomes a great force and that's why revolutions and national changes occur by reformation movements.

I once again say that for some problems of Pashtuns external factors are responsible but what I contest is that for any disease there must be first an internal immunity system and if not then there must be some prescribed medicines which may be injected in the internal body so that the body can resist all those antigens in case the internal antibodies don't work.

Pashtuns must have an inbuilt defense mechanism or a protection program against any foreign body. If Pashtuns as a people resist effectively then this would be the sign of a living great nation. Pashtuns as a minority in Pakistan and as majority in Afghanistan must protect their interests; no body from out side will come to their help. Outsiders may create problems but will never solve problems. The outsiders can be exploited in problem solution once there exists a real zest and zeal on internal front. USA defends Israel because Israel has made from itself a great nation.

If we see external factors responsible for our problems still we have to resist ourselves, just blaming them won’t solve the problem. I never mean that all causes are internal, what I mean is that the solution lies in our own hands. If we don't take steps to solve those problems then we Pashtuns are to be blamed. Pashtuns can only solve their problems no body else. This is the crux of the theory of Realism.

The vehicle which I talk for the change can be political parties, NGOS, reformation and development organizations. The issues are not intangible as the issues are very real like terrorism, extremism, education, literacy, economy, drugs, Talibanization, role of mullah, tribal system, women rights etc .Do you think all these issues are not concrete, not tangible, not solid all abstract. Otherwise one can tell that these problems are not real and there is no need to do anything for these issues and that we are living in a perfect society and there is no need for further change.


If the analysis presented here is not realistic then the readers may please make it so. I am not here just telling my standpoint. Readers’ contribution will make the analysis deeper and clearer. I think that we have to take into account the entire interplay of the diverse factors in order to understand the problem. Please let’s take into account all these factors and to reach a clear picture of the issue.

I also opine that the historically weak political structures of Pashtun society was unable to effectively respond to the intervention of outsiders’ .This weakness we have to remove. I would like to make it clear that my focus is not only on the present turmoil albeit it is the main part of my discussion; I take start from the Khilji, Lodhi and Suri Pashtun dynasties till Taliban. The Pashtun society, economy, language, culture all are my targets for my reforms package.

I am of the opinion that the uneven topography and hard terrain remained an obstacle in the integration of Pashtuns. This fact even one can see in the various dialects and accents Pashtuns have specially the hard and soft dialects. I am a hard dialect speaker and when I for the first time met a Wazir friend, I was really unable to understand his conversation with me. Many times I thought to request him to talk to me in English, Persian or Urdu but that was against my Pashtunwali. However later on I understood that it was mainly the matter of two letters KHIN/SHIN and GE/JHE and few geo-synonyms like dodai and marhai/tikaley. But now in this modern era we don't have these problems and now media and communication facilities have played an importance role that the absence of geographic proximity may not be an important factor for the non integration of Pashtuns and elimination of tribal system.

The geo -strategic location of Pashtun land can be exploited by Pashtuns to their advantage and can bargain with the foreign powers for getting them benefits. The land locked situation can become a problem that’s why Pashtuns have to maintain good relations with all concerned to reach the warm waters of Arabian sea and may be Iranian coasts.

I am not in favor of the various invasions and colonization in principle but even these invasions and colonization could be utilized for the benefit of Pashtuns. We can always learn from advanced nations as British introduced some very good things like railway lines, education system, Post system, Legal codes etc.

Pashtuns like Sher Shah Suri also colonized India and had introduced great reforms which were even continued by British government in India. Always there can be mutual learning between occupied and occupiers. I don't think Pashtuns were marginalized in Cold war rather the soviet invasion on Afghanistan rekindled Pashtun nationalism and Pashtun consciousness of being Pashtun. As a child I remember when the communists used to talk of Pashto and Pashtuns and books in Pashto surged and I read da Capital of Marx in Pashto later. Now I don’t see that enthusiasm for Pashto books these days. Dr Najeeb like people was a great product of that Pashtun awareness.

Afghan War by CIA/Americans (NOT Russians FOR ME) further added to the political fragmentation and paving the way for extremism. Involvement of Pashtuns with Indian Muslim nationalism is also a valid point but more dangerous was the Deobandi-Wahabi influence on Pashtuns. War on terror also played havoc with Pashtuns.

WHAT HAPPENED THAT HAPPENED? There are good and bad times in the history of nations. Now we should abolish the tribal structure with the preservation of Pashtunwali and should reform Pashtun society in way that Pashtun become a modern developed nation based on the tenets of Pashtunwali.

Some friends blame only Punjabis for all the problems of Pashtuns. I never link my analysis with the Pashtun national character but I put responsibility on Pashtuns to improve their situation. AND SOME TIMES GOOD CHARACTERISTICS OF PASHTUN BEING A UNIQUE RACE and qualities like their sincerity, bravery, hospitality , become problem to them and others exploit them. (On Punjabis and Pashtuns I have written separate articles).

ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT FOR SOME CURRENT PROBLEMS YOU MAY ACCUSE PANJABIS BUT many problems of Pashtuns come from earlier times, before the division of India in 1947 and many problems after 1979 when USA/CIA AND THE THEN GOVERNMENT OF PAKISTAN WHICH MAY NOT BE ESSENTIALLY PANJABI used Pashtuns against Soviet invasion, THE RISE OF EXTREMISM, WAHABI INFLUENCE ETC. Making only Punjabis responsible for all the problems of Pashtuns is not just.

In this article I have tried to sum up my approach, my ideas, my personality, my dreams, my goals, my philosophy, my ideology, my theories, regarding Pashto and Pashtuns with a humble request to correct me where the readers deem it, to suggest me where they feel, to propose new ideas and solution where they consider. All in positive, impersonal, objective and constructive way for the betterment of Pashtuns and Pashto. We may avoid no ill feelings, no personal attacks, no labeling, and no abuses PLEASE.

I want to see a successful reformation movement in Pashtuns with the tools of realism, pragmatism, education, social changes, cultural adjustment, economic and social development, religious reconstruction, legal modifications. I think that first Pashtuns should be educationally advanced, economically developed then they may jump into politics of unification. Religion should be their personal affairs, Taliban and Mullahs should not decide for them. They may not struggle for changing borders instead they should concentrate on their education, culture, language, economy etc where ever they are , in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Middle east , USA, Canada , Europe.

And above all they should become consciously Pashtuns. Pashtunwali should be their pride and their identity. They should them selves read Pashto and practice Pashtunwali and teach the same to their children, friends and family members.

When I say NO POLITICS then from this I mean no politics of changing borders and talking of ideas like Pashtunistan or Loy Afghanistan etc. These ideas have already wasted much of the time and energy of our intellectuals without any result. I say intellectuals because I don't see any movement for these ideals. Even the political intellectuals and politicians like those of ANP and PMAP have reconciled with Pakistan and I don't see any such movement on the other side of Durand line to struggle for Loy Afghanistan etc.

But I don't suggest that Pashtun should not take part in internal politics where they are citizens. If they are citizens of Pakistan they should fully participate in local politics, the same in Afghanistan and even in Europe etc. If I differentiate Pashtun tribalism from other tribal systems as in Europe, Pakistan, Kurds etc. Pashtun tribal system has its own peculiarities.

I agree that pashtun society in general is egalitarian but the tribal system depends more on maliks and tribal leaders and collective responsibility than on individual fundamental freedom rights. I don't say that political agent is an indispensable or integral part of tribal system. I hate that institution and it must be eradicated as soon as possible. He is a dictator in a system where there is no judiciary , no legislature only a despotic executive.


In Pakistan and Afghanistan Pashtuns should defeat the religious extremists and should struggle for their due rights and status. Along with all this internal politics, they must concentrate on education, culture, economy, language, society, family, environment and other issues.

We should understand the simple self reformation and self improvement. Approach if a student does not want to learn , a teacher cant force things into his/her skull. Fault lies with student not with teacher. Fault lies with Pashtuns not with others. I request the honorable Pashtun intellectuals to think over the ugly reality that why, why we Pashtuns are so vulnerable to the influence of others. Why we are so weak , so susceptible, so easy to be enticed, duped, played with, deceived, why , why ,why. Do you think we Pashtuns are perfect We have no responsibility at all in what’s going on in THE Pashtunland. Its only Punjab, ISI who are doing all this so easily with Pashtuns, lets suppose they do all these evils ,then why we let them do it WITH US ,why.

The solution is inherent strength, making our own walls strong so that the thief does not enter our home. The thief will try to steal, to loot but we should not let him/her to do so, this is very simple. I don’t know why we don’t understand this simple point. For how long we shall waste our energies in blaming others , why not we reform our own selves instead of just blaming others and becoming happy, that accusing Punjab and ISI , my job is done

My solution is change, reformation, education, development, leaving religious extremism, modernism, secularism, democracy, generation of economic activities by competition, hard work and better management not by becoming slaves to others. Being political citizens of a country by ones own sweet will and choice is not slavery as some friends think Pashtuns are slaves of Punjab in Pakistan.

Implementation of any suggestion, solution or idea is a long, difficult but possible. Discussing the issue is 25 % implementation. First you diagnose the problem (25%), then you provide the solution (25 %) and then you solve the problem by taking practical steps (50%). As here the problem is related to the 70 million Pashtuns, its complex but can be solved. Many nations like Jews have gone through worst situation but now you see Jews in Israel as a developed nation.

[khushal]

[MENTION=1034]Badlun[/MENTION],
when did I call Taliban the truth you moron. Your all over the map, you have no logic , no reasoning. Your narrative that suicide bombing is caused by pashtunwali and deobandi islam has no merit. How could that be when the two have been around for hundreds of years in the area and the suicide bombing made its presence just a little over a decade ago around the same time as NATO forces.

You see that, these are lies, this is not the truth. Revealing your lies does not make one a Taliban defender. You yourself admitted in the post that extremism had introduced itself on a large scale after the USSR invasion. that's what I have been saying the whole time you ignorant fool. You know the reasons, the origins, the roots and still you lie and point fingers somewhere else to manipulate. That manipulation is making your people suffer needlessly. You want the extremism to disappear from your people, take away the invaders, and your people will eventually find themselves in the moderation level that you want them in.

[Niazi]

you first claimed that haqani raped and looted hindus and Sikhs in khost and when I posted a source to refute your claims, you said you don't need sources, that you have seen it with your own eyes, then you said you were in Sada. Well how could you see it from Sada, it would be impossible.

If your going to lie, I would advise you to keep your lies straight. don't get lost in them that you don't even know what you said.

Stay as ghoul and ignorant as you are .


When Lanat ul Allah Haqani looted Khost ,back then Talib jee wasn't conceived yet! (Pay attention Talib jee )1990s

[khushal]

These are your words:

As ghoul and ignorant as you are .

No you can't see Khost from Sada but I have seen the vultures and scavengers,aka Mujahideen I.e Taliban Flogging the war loot on streets .

You dimwit ghool.

[Azmal]

Here we go again…glorifying the porki lapdog the freaking constriction worker Haqani na Haq. Mark my words, sooner than later Haqani will get what they deserve…as things are moving he will not be included in negotiation and Porkistan will have no choice but to bend.

As for as Amanullah khan….Abdul de talking paki mule has some points although his aversion of guy has more to do with his miserable fanatic believes. I remember in 91 Ghoulbodin was lashing on Amanullah and glorifying the Tajik thief Bachai saqaw in Shamshatoo…oh what a site that was. The fact is there was no “sovereignty” during Amanullah Khan’s nanny state, for he merely swapped a British subsidized Afghanistan with a Soviet subsidized Afghanistan. Given that the Soviets had tried invading Afghanistan first through their clients in Iran and had brutalized our Central Asian kith and kin along the north of our border, this was a stupid move.
Not to forget Amanullah Khan was nothing more than the real Ghadar who murdered his own father and sent his own family to rot in a dungeon, Nadir Shah on other hand was the only true liberator of Afghanistan. Just because self-proclaimed “Leftists” like comrade Ghobar glorifies Amanullah, does not make it a fact. Even a one-time leftist like Mobarez – whom I dearly respect - has confirmed that Nadir Shah did not betray Afghanistan. After all, he not only led the battle for Afghanistan’s independence and was rightfully proclaimed a war hero by Amanullah, he also tried to maintain our independence by keeping the Soviets at bay. This as well as his confrontation with Amanullah over his excessive social planning nuisance earned Nadir Khan an exile to Paris. With the collapse of the Amania looking real and the British acknowledging that their client – Habibullah Kalakani – was incapable of replacing the government, they turned to Nadir Shah in Paris. Reason? Because what the British feared as much as an Afghan client of the Soviet Union, was an Afghanistan in a state of anarchy that would invite the Soviets regardless. It was here that they turned to Nadir Khan in Paris and an exchange of cordial views was held.

Back in Afghanistan, the British only gave Nadir Khan something to the tone of 12,000 rifles and a sum of money that I can’t recall at the moment for I am merely going by memory. Never the less, the money he received was used up to buy-off independent warlords (sound familiar?). As he reached Kabul and his immediate entourage proclaimed him king, Nadir Shah had nothing left in the treasury owing to loot and plunder by vagabonds. Moreover, he never received an annual subsidy from the British or the Soviets as once enjoyed by his predecessors. What was remarkable however, is that Afghanistan’s foreign policy remained independent, with diplomatic channels opening up with other countries including the Soviets. Just because this relationship wasn’t as close as the Leftists in Afghanistan would have rather preferred, did not make Nadir Shah a traitor. Granted that he was a shrewd leader and his methods were initially high-handed - especially towards Amanullah’s leftist allies - but he managed to build up a national army very fast and with no foreign assistance. This was a feast that would make any current leader in Afghanistan envious. From that point onwards, our country experienced a gradual evolution towards modernity at a pace that was realistic for a poor landlocked country like ours. If guys are looking for a Hero then look no further then late Nadir Khan (may god bless his soul.)

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Here we go again…glorifying the porki lapdog the freaking constriction worker Haqani na Haq. Mark my words, sooner than later Haqani will get what they deserve…as things are moving he will not be included in negotiation and Porkistan will have no choice but to bend.

As for as Amanullah khan….Abdul de talking paki mule has some points although his aversion of guy has more to do with his miserable fanatic believes. I remember in 91 Ghoulbodin was lashing on Amanullah and glorifying the Tajik thief Bachai saqaw in Shamshatoo…oh what a site that was. The fact is there was no “sovereignty” during Amanullah Khan’s nanny state, for he merely swapped a British subsidized Afghanistan with a Soviet subsidized Afghanistan. Given that the Soviets had tried invading Afghanistan first through their clients in Iran and had brutalized our Central Asian kith and kin along the north of our border, this was a stupid move.
Not to forget Amanullah Khan was nothing more than the real Ghadar who murdered his own father and sent his own family to rot in a dungeon, Nadir Shah on other hand was the only true liberator of Afghanistan. Just because self-proclaimed “Leftists” like comrade Ghobar glorifies Amanullah, does not make it a fact. Even a one-time leftist like Mobarez – whom I dearly respect - has confirmed that Nadir Shah did not betray Afghanistan. After all, he not only led the battle for Afghanistan’s independence and was rightfully proclaimed a war hero by Amanullah, he also tried to maintain our independence by keeping the Soviets at bay. This as well as his confrontation with Amanullah over his excessive social planning nuisance earned Nadir Khan an exile to Paris. With the collapse of the Amania looking real and the British acknowledging that their client – Habibullah Kalakani – was incapable of replacing the government, they turned to Nadir Shah in Paris. Reason? Because what the British feared as much as an Afghan client of the Soviet Union, was an Afghanistan in a state of anarchy that would invite the Soviets regardless. It was here that they turned to Nadir Khan in Paris and an exchange of cordial views was held.

Back in Afghanistan, the British only gave Nadir Khan something to the tone of 12,000 rifles and a sum of money that I can’t recall at the moment for I am merely going by memory. Never the less, the money he received was used up to buy-off independent warlords (sound familiar?). As he reached Kabul and his immediate entourage proclaimed him king, Nadir Shah had nothing left in the treasury owing to loot and plunder by vagabonds. Moreover, he never received an annual subsidy from the British or the Soviets as once enjoyed by his predecessors. What was remarkable however, is that Afghanistan’s foreign policy remained independent, with diplomatic channels opening up with other countries including the Soviets. Just because this relationship wasn’t as close as the Leftists in Afghanistan would have rather preferred, did not make Nadir Shah a traitor. Granted that he was a shrewd leader and his methods were initially high-handed - especially towards Amanullah’s leftist allies - but he managed to build up a national army very fast and with no foreign assistance. This was a feast that would make any current leader in Afghanistan envious. From that point onwards, our country experienced a gradual evolution towards modernity at a pace that was realistic for a poor landlocked country like ours. If guys are looking for a Hero then look no further then late Nadir Khan (may god bless his soul.)

Still using the same persian script so your fallus holding partners form Tajikam can recognize you?

Quit with the written diarrhea already - everyone knows your retarded mentality.

This coming from the guy who confused the words for lice and dog in Pashto... despite the fact that he is a dog and is also a existential louse.

[Niazi]

These are your words:

......ZzOh you got me there Sherlock.

Once again you showed how ignorant and lawda you are ,

Here you go ,a Dummy guid how to know ISI Stooge I.e Haqani

Haqani belonged to Mullah Khalas Group but he was supplied directly trough ISI channe,l I.e he got his money and weaponry directly from ISI

When on order of ISI Haqani and his so called (Mujahideen ) plundered ,killed and looted Afghan and Afghanistan After Najib fall ,vengeful ISI wasn't done with Afghan and Afghanistan ,they conceived a dirty embryo witch they called Taliban ,they asked their most trusted stooge to join the new gang ,since Haqni was one of their most trusted they ordered him and he obliged without any hesitation so now (pay attention ghoul )the Mujahed Haqani on the order of his Master got reborn as Talib ,got it no!

[Catya Sher]

Najib's favorite book was The Prince ???

It's strange that I was in a university library the other evening
and it was almost empty during the summer. But some guy
cut across my path dashing to the circulation desk, saying
"Do you have The Prince by Macchiaveli? I requested it be held here for me".

I KNEW that was significant ! Nothing happens at random, after all.

I was searching for the meaning of this. Maybe it has to do with Communists
and Afghan politics.

++++++++++++++++++++++

The USSR ALSO sponsored special trips for Afghan Ulema to tour mosques
of the Soviet Union in a big propaganda campaign to persuade the relucatnt
Mullahs in Kabul to endorse the Parchami regime.

I heard firsthand that the Mullahs and other invited dignitaries agreed to go.
But when shown the Soviet so-called functioning mosques, being Afghans,
they were sharp and were NOT taken in.

They KNEW the Friday prayers they were taken to attend were only,
as they called them, "frame-ups", intended solely to placate them.

So, let's be grateful for REAL ulema who stood up and fought directly againt
the Soviet occupation.
LIKE: Maulavi Jelaluddin !

Stop the nonsense accusations.
His behavior was brave and IRREPROACHABLE.

[Badlun]

Still using the same persian script so your fallus holding partners form Tajikam can recognize you?

Quit with the written diarrhea already - everyone knows your retarded mentality.

This coming from the guy who confused the words for lice and dog in Pashto... despite the fact that he is a dog and is also a existential louse.

I do not think Azmal is a Tajik or their sympathizer. He seems to be a true secular Pashtun. I like his frank and unique style to describe things.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I do not think Azmal is a Tajik or their sympathizer. He seems to be a true secular Pashtun. I like his frank and unique style to describe things.

Well no one knows what Azmal's real ethnicity is; but he certainly cannot speak Pashto. I know this because I've known Azmal since about 2006 and he made a post in another forum that we attended that says he ordered books from Amazon to learn Pashto. So Pashto is not his native language.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Who cares what his ethnicity is. He is a kafir. Thats all we need to know.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I do not think Azmal is a Tajik or their sympathizer. He seems to be a true secular Pashtun. I like his frank and unique style to describe things.

He's not a Pashtun. He got a simple tribal geneology wrong.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Martyrdom of Muhammad Umar Haqqani, the son of Jalaludin Haqqani