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    Muslims vs. Islamists
    HDN | 1/27/2010 12:00:00 AM | Soner Çağaptay

    Far from being synonymous, Islam and Islamism are very different. While the former is a religion, the latter is merely a political, "anti-" ideology that spews hatred.

    I am thankful to Mr. Umaru Abdul Mutallab, the father of the failed Christmas day bomber. In late 2009, Mr. Abdul Mutallab, a Muslim, approached U.S. authorities in his native Nigeria to warn them of his son’s slide into Islamist ideology. Mr. Abdul Mutallab’s altruistic initiative is a case in point about the conflict between Muslims and Islamists.
    While Islam is the faith of 1.4 billion people, Islamism is not a form of the Muslim faith or an expression of Muslim piety. Rather, it is a political ideology that strives to derive legitimacy from Islam. Islam and Islamism are not synonymous, and there is even a tension between the two, exemplified by the case of this Nigerian Muslim father turning in his Islamist son to the authorities.
    So if Islam is a faith, then what is Islamism? It can be best described as an “anti-” ideology, in the sense that it defines itself only in opposition to things. That is, Islamism stands not for but against.
    For starters, Islamism is anti-Semitic in promoting the view that Jews are evil. Because Jews live in Israel, it is also anti-Israeli, and it is also anti-American due to its distorted view of Jews’ role in the United States. “Jews are evil, they run America, therefore America is evil” – this is the mantra of Islamist thinking.
    Islamism is also anti-Christian, having a perverted view of the religion as well. And since Jews and Christians live in the West, many Islamists are anti-Western. They likewise oppose liberal democracy and secularism, as these institutions originated in the West.
    What is more, Islamists tend to be anti-capitalist because – now you follow the logic – capitalism originates from the West. Many also believe that “Jews invented capitalism” and therefore see capitalism as doubly evil. When they make money, however, Islamists often soften their negative attitude toward capitalism, anti-capitalism being ever the corruptible link in the Islamists’ “anti-” ideology.
    Paradoxically, Islamists also consider communism evil – “the Jews invented that as well.” That Karl Marx, who had Jewish grandparents, was raised a secular Protestant is irrelevant to Islamist zealots who find “evil Jews” everywhere. Islamists see Jewishness in all things they dislike politically. Take, for instance, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, who had no Jewish heritage. Many Islamists, who cannot imagine a genuine Muslim who shares Western values, will tell you he is a crypto-Jew.
    Islamism is therefore not about the Islamic faith. Rather, it is a dystopian ideology that distorts religion and reality to fit its “anti-” platform. In fall 2009, in a recent case demonstrating this pattern, Turkish Islamists attended the funeral of Caliph Ertuğrul Osman, the descendant of Westernizing Ottoman sultans, lamenting the caliphate as the anti-Western institution par excellence.
    Distortedly, these Islamists envisioned Osman, a Scotch-drinking, Wagner-listening, Western Muslim and resident of Upper East Side in New York City, as the leader of their Islamist crusade, arriving at his funeral only to celebrate this delusion.
    But perhaps worst of all, Islamists distort their very own religious texts so as to befit this “anti-” platform. Consider the various annotations of the Muslim sacred book, the Koran. The book was originally written in classical Arabic, a rich, sophisticated language with tens of thousands of words and nuances, as well as flowing poetry. Over eighty percent of the world’s Muslims don’t speak or read Arabic, so the book has to be translated, requiring the addition of numerous annotations. These annotations differ depending on the edition of the text. In the case of Islamists, these are the seeds of hatred.
    I was raised in Turkey and read the Koran with Turkish annotations. The first time I read an Islamist Koran was when I was 26, living in New York City. Praying at an American mosque, I came across an English-language Koran printed in Saudi Arabia, the main purveyor of Islamist texts worldwide. In its man-made annotations, this Koran preached violence and hatred towards Jews, Christians, the West and Western institutions generally.
    In Turkey, the Diyanet, the country’s highest authority for the Muslim faith, prints Korans that are “halal,” i.e., without such hateful annotations. This institution is part of the secular government bureaucracy in Turkey, an ironic fact that is not without good consequences. The Diyanet promotes and protects tolerant Turkish/Balkan Islam, which explains why generations of Turks have grown up in Turkey shunning Islamism. The right Koran can firewall the minds of Muslims against Islamism, and in Turkey, Muslims have thus far won out against the Islamists.
    The future of many countries in the world, and the future of the West, will be determined by this battle between Muslims and Islamists. Islamists want to convert Muslims to their hateful ideology. God knows the world needs more Muslims and fewer Islamists.
    * Soner Çağaptay is a senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East policy and author of “Islam, Secularism and Nationalism in Modern Turkey: Who is a Turk?” (2006).



    OPINION - Muslims vs. Islamists

  • #2
    lol at the title

    btw didnt read the garbage that followd

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    • #3
      ^What a surprice lol

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      • #4
        [MENTION=4505]Khostai[/MENTION] dira manana zma malgeray

        a very good thread from you! please post more such topics!
        faye's chauffeur

        Pashton's girlfriend

        I'm a Pashtun Princes


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        • #5
          There is no such thing as an islamist. We do use the word very often but we shouldnt. In reality what people consider to be islamist is nothing more than a true muslim

          All non-Islamist muslims are coca cola muslims or mcdonalds muslims. They are shallow spineless and fake.
          Originally posted by Firdousi
          Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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          • #6
            'Islamist' is just a recently invented word, they put 'ist' at the end of 'Islam' to give the indirect definition of it being a muslim that practices Islam, in other words all non-practicing muslims are true muslims but if a muslim practices a non watered down version he is an Islamist, if this word has nothing to do with Islam as the article is suggesting then remove the word Islam from it, if its a political group of people then why incorporate the name of a religion into it, anybody with a atom of intellect can see that this word is as misleading as the people that created it.
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            *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

            Originally posted by Karachi
            like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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            • #7
              What kind of bull**** article is this, every sentence is pure crap.

              "Islamists are anti-Semitic"

              Does the author even know what a semitic is? Arabs are Semites.

              "Islamism is a political ideology"

              Huh, what kind of illiterate statement is that.

              "Jews run America"

              That's not even a conspiracy, Jews do own the entertainment industry and have a large lobbyist presence in the senate.

              "Islamists are anti-Chrisitian and Jews, so that means they hate the west"

              Durr

              "There's a Islamist version in Quran in NYC"

              Ahh durrrr.

              [MENTION=5349]Hallo[/MENTION]

              Why the fuc did you thank this post? Are you mentally handicapped or something

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              • #8
                Originally posted by کیش View Post
                What kind of bull**** article is this, every sentence is pure crap.

                "Islamists are anti-Semitic"

                Does the author even know what a semitic is? Arabs are Semites.

                "Islamism is a political ideology"

                Huh, what kind of illiterate statement is that.

                "Jews run America"

                That's not even a conspiracy, Jews do own the entertainment industry and have a large lobbyist presence in the senate.

                "Islamists are anti-Chrisitian and Jews, so that means they hate the west"

                Durr

                "There's a Islamist version in Quran in NYC"

                Ahh durrrr.

                @Hallo

                Why the fuc did you thank this post? Are you mentally handicapped or something
                @tor_khan give him an infraction!

                i thanked this post cuz it'strue
                why do you insult me? you cannot speak in a proper way with me? no arguments then insulting? it's ramadan think about your behaviour!

                hundrends of people are reading this forum and we have on pf unfortunately to lots of brainwashed wahhabi, salafi (well a gathering of stupid khar everything they can do is ia ia and don't use their own brain who gave them god)
                these khars just approve prejudice pashtun=talib and this is wrong!

                we all have the right to criticize but no right to insult!

                the first step of islamist is to liquidate all non muslims and the second the last one is to liquidate all non-sunni-muslims!
                [MENTION=4505]Khostai[/MENTION] mentioned the right point the reading of coran and the understanding of it and how illaterate people are exploit

                lots of people who are speaking about it don't have any clue about it

                i didn't read the coran yet so i don't have any right to speak about the content of coran but i'm looking for a right "translation" at the moment

                the same was 500 years ago in europe how the church used illaterate people just to reach their political aim
                faye's chauffeur

                Pashton's girlfriend

                I'm a Pashtun Princes


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                • #9
                  what a horrible article.
                  There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                  Sayyid Qutb

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Hallo View Post
                    @tor_khan give him an infraction!

                    i thanked this post cuz it'strue
                    why do you insult me? you cannot speak in a proper way with me? no arguments then insulting? it's ramadan think about your behaviour!

                    hundrends of people are reading this forum and we have on pf unfortunately to lots of brainwashed wahhabi, salafi (well a gathering of stupid khar everything they can do is ia ia and don't use their own brain who gave them god)
                    these khars just approve prejudice pashtun=talib and this is wrong!

                    we all have the right to criticize but no right to insult!

                    the first step of islamist is to liquidate all non muslims and the second the last one is to liquidate all non-sunni-muslims!
                    [MENTION=4505]Khostai[/MENTION] mentioned the right point the reading of coran and the understanding of it and how illaterate people are exploit

                    lots of people who are speaking about it don't have any clue about it

                    i didn't read the coran yet so i don't have any right to speak about the content of coran but i'm looking for a right "translation" at the moment

                    the same was 500 years ago in europe how the church used illaterate people just to reach their political aim
                    Lol, did you even read the article. This response doesn't match at all with the theme of that poorly written essay.

                    Your crying to an admin like a baby, and crying wolf, than blackmailing me by saying its Ramadan is laughable.

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                    • #11
                      Hallo is just to smart for you peopel :P
                      Thats why you bash her.
                      Hallo don't bother them, every singel critisism about the wahabist and extremists and they all go mad, like somehow peopel who have a long beard are holy beings and can't do anythig wrong -_-.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                        Hallo is just to smart for you peopel :P
                        Thats why you bash her.
                        Hallo don't bother them, every singel critisism about the wahabist and extremists and they all go mad, like somehow peopel who have a long beard are holy beings and can't do anythig wrong -_-.
                        Can you proof anything in that F graded paper. What on Carmen San Diego is long beards have anything to do?

                        I'm just exposing people who have no clue on what they are doing and "thanking"

                        I didn't insult Hallo, her English just sucks.

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                        • #13
                          The article is distorted and manipulative. The paper does not mention that the "islamist" dispute with the west has more to do with the west's military presence and interference in the Islamists homeland than anything else.

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                          • #14
                            This is a wonderful article and truly depicts the quagmire in which Muslims have been fallen recently because of Islamism. It does not make any difference how the term Islamism was coined but what Islamism means is a reality.

                            Vast majority of Muslims follow the religion of Islam but few misguided like Wahabis, Salafis, Taliban, Al Qaeda etc follow Islamism.

                            Others like Ahle Hadith, Deobandis, Tableeghis etc do not follow Islamism directly but they have the same ideology as of Islamists considering Islam to be the complete code of life and want to implement it by force or persuasion in all spheres of life including politics, economy, society, culture, education while the religion of Islam covers only beliefs, worship and ethics.

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                            • #15
                              badlun, are you drunk again?

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