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    http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/03/afgha...-s-withdrawal/

    Afghanistan Faces “Massive Economic Constriction” after U.S. Withdrawal


    As foreign troops trickle out of Afghanistan, Kabul is increasingly controlled by local police or private security contractors. Credit: Giuliana Sgrena/IPS
    WASHINGTON, Mar 14 2013 (IPS) - Next year’s drawdown of U.S. forces and decline in U.S. aid will leave in its wake an Afghan political system lacking legitimacy and stability, according to interviews with Afghanistan experts, news reports and congressional studies.
    Despite receiving tens of billions of dollars in U.S. funding, Afghanistan’s government has failed to sustain Washington-built development projects, experts here are warning, including the training and equipping of Afghan police and security forces. Much of this is due to corruption on the part of U.S. private contractors, lax U.S. and Afghan government controls, and the innate weakness of Hamid Karzai’s government.

    “How are we going to pay for this?” asked Andrew Wilder, an Afghan expert at the U.S. Institute for Peace. “This is the key question. How do we pay for these police and infrastructure programmes when the fiscal resources are going to shrink next year?”

    According to Vanda Felbab-Brown, an Afghanistan specialist at the Brookings Institution, a Washington think tank, the U.S. aid that has flooded into Helmand and Kandahar provinces, instead of bringing sustainable development, has distorted local economies and triggered “contests over the spoils”

    She added that she believes that turning off the U.S. spigot will produce “a massive economic constriction” inside the country that could increase political instability.

    News about the corruption of U.S. private contractors has brought further dismay. After more than a dozen quarterly reports to Congress, 40 percent of the 56 billion dollars allocated to civilian projects in Afghanistan cannot be accounted for by SIGAR, the Special Inspector General for Afghan Reconstruction.

    In fact, corruption on the part of both Afghan and U.S. private contractors consumes much of U.S. aid to Afghanistan, according to studies, U.S. officials and analysts. More than 100 cases of corruption, by both U.S. contractors and Afghan subcontractors, have gone officially ignored, and when U.S. Government Accountability Office auditors looked at the programmes, they were not shown the uncompleted projects SIGAR found in 2011.

    Claire McCaskill, a U.S. senator, said in a widely reported statement that the Afghan National Police (ANP) and the Afghan security forces have been identified “as central to our success in Afghanistan and to help secure Afghanistan’s public under the rule by law, maintain order and to prepare for the U.S. exit.”

    Yet the failure to adequately develop the Afghan police has startled many. The contract for training the Afghan police has cost U.S. taxpayers over nine billion dollars but has displayed worse than disappointing results, McCaskill told Congress.

    Overall, the United States has spent more than 29 billion dollars on the Afghan national security forces, with one third going to the ANP.

    Ghost employees
    The most acute problem lies with the fact that the Afghan government has no adequate structures by which to track the development it oversees. According to an April 2011 SIGAR audit, the Ministry of Interior Affairs cannot accurately determine the number of personnel that work for the Afghan police, and the ministry’s record-keeping is said to invite massive fraud.

    The report makes clear there is no way to guarantee where payroll money is going. It also reported that there are likely to be “ghost employees” who simply don’t show up or others who collect paycheques under multiple names.

    The audit also said there are significant doubts about the Afghan government’s ability to maintain the more than 800 facilities meant for the Afghan Army and the ANP currently being built with 11.4 billion dollars of U.S. aid.

    For instance, a 2012 inspection report on a 7.3-million-dollar border police facility in Kunduz province, meant to house 173 people, found only 12 Afghan personnel on site. The facilities were locked, the police there had no keys with which to open the doors, and no one was sure whether it would be used in the future.

    Just last month, SIGAR audits disclosed that although 30,000 vehicles were given to the ANP for eight provinces, the Afghans lack the capacity to perform maintenance on them. Further, the U.S. contract did not take into account vehicles that had not been in service for over a year or had been destroyed.

    SIGAR reported that 63 million dollars’ worth of funds designated for the ANP for the repair of police cars had been misused between April 2011 and September 2012, even as the Interior Ministry asked that the responsibility for repairs be switched from foreign to Afghan oversight.
    According to news reports and confirmed by interviews, the Afghan police were using the U.S.-provided vehicles for personal use. The audit found deficiencies in spare parts inventories, and the Defence Contract Management Agency did not always conduct monthly oversights of the facilities, among numerous other failures.

    Security bubble
    Meanwhile, as the number of U.S. personnel shrinks, security has deteriorated.

    One of SIGAR’s inspection teams was told that a location in northern Afghanistan was beyond the security “bubble” and “therefore deemed too unsafe to visit,” according John Sopko, who now heads SIGAR. In a November interview at the Stimson Center, a Washington think tank, he said that a lack of safety resulted in an inability to inspect 38 facilities, worth approximately 72 million dollars.

    “We’re finding that we cannot always get the protection we need to conduct our work,” he said, even though Kabul is within the security “bubble”. He added: “Without adequate security, reconstruction either comes to a halt or continues without the necessary oversight.
    Billions of additional dollars move into the numbered accounts of Afghan politicians who leave the country on official trips to Dubai never to return, former U.S. intelligence officials told IPS.

    In November, Sopko touted his agency’s “innovative ways of conducting oversight”. He claimed that SIGAR has made “aggressive recommendations for suspension and debarment” of 206 contractors accused of fraud, with 43 of these cases involving companies that actively supported the insurgency.

    Many of those referrals were not acted upon, however, which is why Sopko is currently seeking his own authority to suspend and debar contractors.

    But whatever the result of the coming reforms, the message is still startlingly clear: when the United States draws down its forces next year, the Afghan security forces will not be ready to create a stable Afghan state on their own.
    "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

  • #2
    Like I said before, the people(warlords who fought 92-96) that took afghanistan to the stone age are now in the afghan government keeping afghanistan in the stone age.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by khushal View Post
      Like I said before, the people(warlords who fought 92-96) that took afghanistan to the stone age are now in the afghan government keeping afghanistan in the stone age.
      Well said.
      Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

      A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

      For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


      The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

      -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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      • #4
        Originally posted by khushal View Post
        Like I said before, the people(warlords who fought 92-96) that took afghanistan to the stone age are now in the afghan government keeping afghanistan in the stone age.
        I wish the problem was that simple, but its not. Some do want stability - they want to stay in power - but they want stability. There's the aspect that in the west nepotism is frowned upon, but in Afghanistan lack of nepotism is unethical. And defrauding the government in any country isn't considered repulsive, but considered clever (if you get away with it). In the U.S. its creative tax returns and welfare dynasties - in Afghanistan its bogus contracts and ghost employees. In Afghanistan the human condition is more exposed in all its complexity in the absence of distracting garnish.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View Post
          http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/03/afgha...-s-withdrawal/

          Afghanistan Faces “Massive Economic Constriction” after U.S. Withdrawal


          As foreign troops trickle out of Afghanistan, Kabul is increasingly controlled by local police or private security contractors. Credit: Giuliana Sgrena/IPS
          WASHINGTON, Mar 14 2013 (IPS) - Next year’s drawdown of U.S. forces and decline in U.S. aid will leave in its wake an Afghan political system lacking legitimacy and stability, according to interviews with Afghanistan experts, news reports and congressional studies.
          Despite receiving tens of billions of dollars in U.S. funding, Afghanistan’s government has failed to sustain Washington-built development projects,
          The unwise use of project dollars is to blame here. For instance, the Swedish NGO CARE punched countless wells up and down Highway two effectively draining the water table with complex pumps that seized or could not reach the water table after all the wells were installed and seemed to drain the table in unison. Meanwhile, ancient and brilliantly crafted karez systems lay collapsed still from russian bombs. Its ridiculous. Why install micro-hydro dams when perhaps a windmill will suffice? We continue to try and buy Afghanistan into the 21st century without allowing them to grow into a more technological age (if they so choose). experts here are warning, including the training and equipping of Afghan police and security forces. Much of this is due to corruption on the part of U.S. private contractors, lax U.S. and Afghan government controls, and the innate weakness of Hamid Karzai’s government.

          “How are we going to pay for this?” asked Andrew Wilder, an Afghan expert at the U.S. Institute for Peace. “This is the key question. How do we pay for these police and infrastructure programmes when the fiscal resources are going to shrink next year?”
          This would not have been an issue if we did not build them a government that could never (ever) be sustained by Afghan tax dollars. Well-to-do districts still only collect about 3000 dollars annually. The bureaucracy is so mammoth that not even the pay roll could ever be reached with tax dollars, let alone the functions of that government. Of course this is an issue when you construct a dependent state in freedom's hypocritical image.
          According to Vanda Felbab-Brown, an Afghanistan specialist at the Brookings Institution, a Washington think tank, the U.S. aid that has flooded into Helmand and Kandahar provinces, instead of bringing sustainable development, has distorted local economies and triggered “contests over the spoils”
          To admit this would be tantamount to saying that USAID is pointless - and USAID will never allow that - despite overwhelming evidence that this same thing has occurred all over Africa and everywhere else with a large AID footprint.
          She added that she believes that turning off the U.S. spigot will produce “a massive economic constriction” inside the country that could increase political instability.

          News about the corruption of U.S. private contractors has brought further dismay. After more than a dozen quarterly reports to Congress, 40 percent of the 56 billion dollars allocated to civilian projects in Afghanistan cannot be accounted for by SIGAR, the Special Inspector General for Afghan Reconstruction.

          In fact, corruption on the part of both Afghan and U.S. private contractors consumes much of U.S. aid to Afghanistan, according to studies, U.S. officials and analysts. More than 100 cases of corruption, by both U.S. contractors and Afghan subcontractors, have gone officially ignored, and when U.S. Government Accountability Office auditors looked at the programmes, they were not shown the uncompleted projects SIGAR found in 2011.
          The graduated pay scheme is to blame here. 50 percent is paid up front and the remainder paid by percentage as the project is completed. It doesn't take a contractor long to learn "I can make a lot of money by completing this school... but I can make half of a lot of money for doing nothing."
          Claire McCaskill, a U.S. senator, said in a widely reported statement that the Afghan National Police (ANP) and the Afghan security forces have been identified “as central to our success in Afghanistan and to help secure Afghanistan’s public under the rule by law, maintain order and to prepare for the U.S. exit.”

          Yet the failure to adequately develop the Afghan police has startled many. The contract for training the Afghan police has cost U.S. taxpayers over nine billion dollars but has displayed worse than disappointing results, McCaskill told Congress.
          The contract is but a fraction of the effort that has gone into the ANP. The Dynacorp 308 contractors train ANP at the basic level, but huge amount of DOD resources have been pumped into ANP for sustained training, mentorship, etc under Marine ETTs, Army MTTs, the pilot STT program which is now entire brigade SFATs. Sadly, I would hazard ZERO recognizable progress has been made. Any ANP officer that gives a crap either quits over the corruption, succumbs to the corruption, or goes to the ANA.
          Overall, the United States has spent more than 29 billion dollars on the Afghan national security forces, with one third going to the ANP.

          Ghost employees
          The most acute problem lies with the fact that the Afghan government has no adequate structures by which to track the development it oversees. According to an April 2011 SIGAR audit, the Ministry of Interior Affairs cannot accurately determine the number of personnel that work for the Afghan police, and the ministry’s record-keeping is said to invite massive fraud.
          By 2008 when Lashkars were still working as security guards, US discovered the benefit of making them a contract and payable through direct deposit. It was years before this became a standard for ANP, ALP etc. Even still, if there is a way to make extra money, people will find it. How can we correct this issue when we cant even correct phantom kids in our modern welfare system?
          The report makes clear there is no way to guarantee where payroll money is going. It also reported that there are likely to be “ghost employees” who simply don’t show up or others who collect paycheques under multiple names.

          The audit also said there are significant doubts about the Afghan government’s ability to maintain the more than 800 facilities meant for the Afghan Army and the ANP currently being built with 11.4 billion dollars of U.S. aid.

          For instance, a 2012 inspection report on a 7.3-million-dollar border police facility in Kunduz province, meant to house 173 people, found only 12 Afghan personnel on site. The facilities were locked, the police there had no keys with which to open the doors, and no one was sure whether it would be used in the future.

          Just last month, SIGAR audits disclosed that although 30,000 vehicles were given to the ANP for eight provinces, the Afghans lack the capacity to perform maintenance on them. Further, the U.S. contract did not take into account vehicles that had not been in service for over a year or had been destroyed.

          SIGAR reported that 63 million dollars’ worth of funds designated for the ANP for the repair of police cars had been misused between April 2011 and September 2012, even as the Interior Ministry asked that the responsibility for repairs be switched from foreign to Afghan oversight.
          According to news reports and confirmed by interviews, the Afghan police were using the U.S.-provided vehicles for personal use. The audit found deficiencies in spare parts inventories, and the Defence Contract Management Agency did not always conduct monthly oversights of the facilities, among numerous other failures.

          Security bubble
          Meanwhile, as the number of U.S. personnel shrinks, security has deteriorated.

          One of SIGAR’s inspection teams was told that a location in northern Afghanistan was beyond the security “bubble” and “therefore deemed too unsafe to visit,” according John Sopko, who now heads SIGAR. In a November interview at the Stimson Center, a Washington think tank, he said that a lack of safety resulted in an inability to inspect 38 facilities, worth approximately 72 million dollars.
          The insecure areas are often not "insecure." A number of reasons can be explained as to why they would say they are - here's some that I've personally witnessed: 1) an area can be declared unsecure to simply bolster more honor 2) to bolster more resources - the squeaky wheel gets the oil 3) because they have smeared feces on the walls and stripped all the copper wiring and smashed all of the glass 4) they are veritable ANP opium dens.
          “We’re finding that we cannot always get the protection we need to conduct our work,” he said, even though Kabul is within the security “bubble”. He added: “Without adequate security, reconstruction either comes to a halt or continues without the necessary oversight.
          Billions of additional dollars move into the numbered accounts of Afghan politicians who leave the country on official trips to Dubai never to return, former U.S. intelligence officials told IPS.

          In November, Sopko touted his agency’s “innovative ways of conducting oversight”. He claimed that SIGAR has made “aggressive recommendations for suspension and debarment” of 206 contractors accused of fraud, with 43 of these cases involving companies that actively supported the insurgency.

          Many of those referrals were not acted upon, however, which is why Sopko is currently seeking his own authority to suspend and debar contractors.

          But whatever the result of the coming reforms, the message is still startlingly clear: when the United States draws down its forces next year, the Afghan security forces will not be ready to create a stable Afghan state on their own.
          No matter how you slice it - Afghanistan will not be better than we found it, only different.

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          • #6
            Maybe it will be good if the US aid declines, all the money hungry mujhahids who only fought so that there fat bellys get fatter, will go away if there is no more money, and hoopefully some honest peopel who truly loves the country will come in to the goverment. Who will work for a betterment of all and not only for themselfs.

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            • #7
              Even 29 Billion dollars can't teach an old dog new tricks. I don't think there is a mental capacity for our people to make advances..too selfish,too traumatised. Afghanistan will most probably be nothing more than a dump for the next foreseeable future.
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              *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

              Originally posted by Karachi
              like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Manzareh View Post
                Even 29 Billion dollars can't teach an old dog new tricks. I don't think there is a mental capacity for our people to make advances..too selfish,too traumatised. Afghanistan will most probably be nothing more than a dump for the next foreseeable future.
                NATO said that after their withdrawal from Iraq, they see Iraq becoming a good country with a stable economy for years to come. However, they said that Afghanistan might be "poor" for decades if the people don't bring change to themselves.
                "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                -Old Pashtun proverb




                "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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                • #9
                  Unfortunately, the warlords and "backward" Spingira are the only people in Afghanistan that have lived in an Afghanistan not at war. I think Afghanistan will be even worse once they are gone. Afghanistan will be populated almost entirely by a people born into war, grown in war, fought in war - war is all they have known.

                  Now, some interesting research has been conducted:
                  Weierstall, Roland, et al. “The Thrill of Being Violent as an Antidote to Post Traumatic Stress Disorder in Rwandese Genocide Perpetrators.” European Journal of Psychotraumology. Coaction Publishing (25 Nov. 2011). Doi: 10.3402/ejpt.v2i0.6345.

                  and


                  Weierstall, Roland, et al. “When Combat Prevents PTSD Symptoms: Results from a Survey with Fomer Child Soldiers in Northern Uganda.” BMC Psychiatry (2012.) 6. Academic Search Complete.

                  Both of these studies support that PTSD is counterproductive - or better counter to survival - for a tribal society. That in fact, in studies surveying 83 child soldiers from northern uganda only 2 showed any symptoms classified by the DSM IV as symptomatic of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder despite the horrific scenes they may have caused or witnessed. And those 2 that did show symptoms, also displayed less appetite for aggressive behavior. Weierstall concludes that violence may be an antidote for PTSD in societies where water, land, and religion is still contested because such an ailment would debilitate the perpetuation of the people. Similar results were found in 269 perpetrators of the 1994 Rwandan genocide.

                  I take it a step further. I think this can be explained by Maslowe's Hierarchy of Need. Here's an excerpt from an essay I wrote comparing the Afghan reaction to war with the American reaction to war:

                  Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) is classified as an anxiety disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistics Manual of Mental Disorders: Fourth Edition (DSM IV) which is an internationally recognized diagnostic guide for mental health conditions. Essentially, this mental anguish develops when an individual is exposed directly, or even indirectly, to an extreme stressor such as a real or imagined threat to life, limbs, or personal integrity. A person can even develop the condition through the synthesis-powers of the neo-cortex by sympathetically imagining what it would be like to face adversity as long as the common response involves intense fear, helplessness, or horror.[i] Though the newest revision should soon be released, the current DSM IV has not been updated since 2000. PTSD was only added as a diagnosis in 1980, but its universal diagnoses uniformly apply to all peoples, although uniform diagnostics do not take into account where a culture falls within the spectrum of human need. Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs forms a pyramid consisting of five blocks of human need. These blocks are: physiological needs, safety, belongingness, esteem, and self actualization.[ii] In theory, a man cannot move onto the next block until the ones beneath are satiated. With respect to these human needs, the symptoms of PTSD and behavior caused by those symptoms more commonly manifest in an American society rather than in Afghanistan’s tribal communities.
                  In America most people are born into relative safety where their physiological needs are a given. Likewise, their identity, socioeconomic or ethnic group is provided, which leaves a modern man only the chore of figuring out the man he is and the man he wants to be. In tribal communities, these first two blocks are not necessarily met. Violence is used to secure physiological needs, such as water and food, as well as personal safety and the safety of the tribe. A permanent reaction to the observation of something horrific would therefore be detrimental to the survival of the individual and the tribe. The inverse relation to survival and violence is best illustrated in Roland Wierstall’s PTSD survey which found only two child soldiers of eighty-three Ugandan child soldiers from the Lord Resistance Army who exhibited symptoms classifiable as PTSD by the DSM IV. Incidentally, these two also show less appetite for aggression, meaning the more aggressive the perpetrators of violence, the less likely they were to exhibit signs of PTSD.[iii] Similar results were yielded in Wierestall’s survey of 269 Rwandan prisoners convicted or facing conviction for the 1994 genocide that violently eradicated between 800,000 and one million people.[iv] Evidently, when the first two blocks of the hierarchy of need were not secured, violence absolved the tribesman of symptoms, whereas the American Soldier is born with those two blocks taken for granted, thus only learns a classically conditioned response to fear that manifests itself in the form of PTSD symptoms. Consequently, eight percent of adult Americans suffer from PTSD, but it is so common in returning veterans, by 2010 in eighteen states, thirty-eight Veteran Treatment courts were established to address the rise of veteran-specific misdemeanors and foster rehabilitation over incarceration.[v] While this may seem to be a valuable assistance to veterans, separating them from the rest of the population potentially serves to attack their senses of belonging which then must quake and skew the veterans’ senses of esteem and self actualization, rendering them more susceptible to adverse symptoms.

                  [i] American Psychiatric Association. Diagnosticand Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders Fourth Edition, Text Revision (Washington D.C.: American Psychiatric Association, 2000). 463.

                  [ii] Lester, David. “Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs and Psychological Health.” Journal of General Psychology (1983): 83-85. Academic Search Complete.

                  [iii] Weierstall, Roland, et al. “When Combat Prevents PTSD Symptoms: Results from a Survey with Fomer Child Soldiers in Northern Uganda.” BMC Psychiatry (2012.) 6. Academic Search Complete.

                  [iv] Weierstall, Roland, et al. “The Thrill of Being Violent as an Antidote to Post Traumatic Stress Disorder in Rwandese Genocide Perpetrators.” European Journal of Psychotraumology. Coaction Publishing (25 Nov. 2011). Doi: 10.3402/ejpt.v2i0.6345.

                  [v] Cartwright, Tiffany. “To Care for Him Who Shall Have Borne the Battle: The Recent Developments of Veteran Treatment Courts in America.” Stanford Law and Policy Review (2011): 305. Academic Search Complete.

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                  • #10
                    If we can agree that what is written below is correct, then we must look at the damage that the tribe and community units are sustaining by the social deconstruction of westernization - exacerbated by the fissures introduced by the big 7 parties of the 80s - which are arguably the fault international interference. Essentially, the elderly will die so that all that remains are the folks that have lived only in war. Now as we westernize, the community that is holding the collective psyche together will disintegrate, and what will remain could potentially be an era that will make the violence during the time of the Topakyan look like chakaar.

                    But what do I know - Mazar is getting an Ace Hardware, that probably trumps all my observations and assumptions.

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                    • #11
                      Wowra,
                      What do you recommend Afghanistan do first to be on track for development? I.e, what is your solution to the problem?
                      Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                      A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                      For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                      The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                      -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                      • #12
                        Wowra,
                        What do you recommend Afghanistan do first to be on track for development? I.e, what is your solution to the problem?
                        Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                        A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                        For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                        The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                        -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
                          Wowra,
                          What do you recommend Afghanistan do first to be on track for development? I.e, what is your solution to the problem?
                          They need a stock exchange for starters.
                          It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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                          • #14
                            Can any one tell me is there even a beaurocracy in Afghanistan?

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                            • #15
                              Admin -

                              My solution is the revitalization of families, villages, and qawms. Its the foundation for any strong society - anything else will simply be plaster of paris over massive cracks.

                              Luffy -

                              Yes. And its horribly ineffective.

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