Ultra Patriotism Among British and American Muslims

[Shah-i-Kot]

Now this is quite an assertion, do you have anything to support this? I'm most interested in how Jews are making me pay more for gas, around here its 'Christian' White guys that own the oil and energy companies and Muslim Pakistanis who run the gas stations.

I dont hold those beliefs, but I notice many people, non-Muslim and Muslim hold the belief that Jews are responsible for all the worlds problems.

Its a ridiculous claim.

[khushal]

Mr. Snow despite my idealism I dont know if it is correctable.

There are two historical examples that may suffice to show that human nature often does not overcome these obstacles of fearing the other in a time of war and distress.

Read on Hannibal Barqah's assault on Rome and Simon Bar Kokhba's revolts. These are great examples of how historically, folks dont think about why their nations find themselves in turmoil. In the former case, hannibal was extremely motivated by Roman transgressions against Carthage and in the latter case Bar Kokhba foolishly thought he had the will and resolve of his people to overcome Roman occupation in Judea. The jews were subsequently in a worse off situation than ever before. And Hannibal ended up fleeing to the ends of the Earth after Rome found itself nearly at his mercy and prevailed. At no point did Romans try to understand how burning Carthage to the ground might have created the ripe environment for these savage conflicts. They didnt care they just told their children horror stories about Hannibal being an evil monster under their bed.

It is ever so rare that the denizens of a greater power overcome the hubris that is required to understand what sort of trifles and major conflicts their empire is being pulled into. And it is equally ever so rare for the weak peoples to overcome their differences and unit in the necessary way to balance the aggression of a greater power (refer to Bar Kohkhba's failure above, the failure of Tecumseh the Brave who was opposed by important tribal leaders, and also of Vercingetorix's loss of Gaul to Caesar).

What I am saying is that destiny marches on. The only spoiler may be the technology that connects us all now and enables rapid exchanges of ideas in a way that might allow for information conveyence. Despite this, note that a huge portion of the population makes decisions based on emotion and not logic. Therefore, if someone doesnt like a particular group they will take even more influx of information and pick and choose what information they like to hear in order to re-enforce their opinion as opposed to using information like data to allow data to guide the formulation of a hypothesis.

I think the burden is on the shoulders of you, Ron Paul, SiiNii, Scheuer, Paul Pillar, Hagel, et al to speak out. We are a hated and feared minority at this point and the kinship biology tends to prevail more often than not. That is, it will be ever so rare that someone risks their own livelihood to tell the truth if it benefits another kinship group as this is almost an innate biology.

Think of it like this... it is population dynamics. Malcolm X could speak forcefully and not have as much fear because african americans were a huge part of the US population and to needle the bee hive too much would create internal instability that was not amenable to the stability we are used to in the US. Muslims on the other hand are less than 1% of the American population. Informed Muslims are probably 1/8 of that. Just as informed Vietnemese could not stop the last war and it took John Lennon and others to lead that movement (ie. members of the majority race) - the onus of stopping our trajectory towards empire and toward these continued conflicts rests on your shoulders my friend. We American Muslims are in a tight spot right now and have no choice but to understand the mathematical and biological odds do not favor us saying much of anything. All we can do is point out colleauges in a direction of other white anglo protestant colleagues like Scheuer who are experienced and want to extricate and educate their compatriots. And the rest of what we can do is to point our Muslim compatriots away from violence against others that only allows these elites to use excuses to continue war plundering.

Tis a bleak state of affairs my new friend.

This is about the best post I have read here on PF.

[Wowra]

Well, Manzareh - I suspect this might prove or disprove your statements about UK. We'll see if this inspires the kind of witch hunt there that it most definitely would here.
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