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    Pakistan is no nation
    30.43%
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    Being Pakistani is a synonym for Punjabi Muslim and Mohajirs of Sindh
    26.09%
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    Pakistan is a nation, From Pakhtuns to Sindhis, Pakistan is a nation
    39.13%
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    Pakistan is a nation under religion (Islam), it is the ummah-caliphate beginning to return
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  • #2
    its on the map and denying its nationhood won't make the problem go away, much like the israel situation. so yes its a nation state.

    whos a legal national entity and who is not is inconsequential since it is decided by a bunch of out of touch world powers, what matters is if the entity in question can actually function as a nation. in that case i would say no since most of pakistans problems are sectarian/ethnic whereas in afghanistan its ideological.
    There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

    Sayyid Qutb

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    • #3
      Pakistan doesn't exist according to Afghanistan and Pashtuns in general.
      "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

      -Old Pashtun proverb




      "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
        Pakistan doesn't exist according to Afghanistan and Pashtuns in general.
        except Ghaddar Pakistani Pashtoons.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
          Pakistan doesn't exist according to Afghanistan and Pashtuns in general.

          Unfortunately there are many proud paki pashtuns, this is no secret.
          There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

          Sayyid Qutb

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          • #6
            Originally posted by TolloAfghanSpinDai View Post
            except Ghaddar Pakistani Pashtoons.
            Except only the Peshawar Pashtuns call themselves paki. The Godar Pashtuns on the other hand see themselves as Afghan considering how they live with baloch nationalists.
            "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

            -Old Pashtun proverb




            "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
              Except only the Peshawar Pashtuns call themselves paki. The Godar Pashtuns on the other hand see themselves as Afghan considering how they live with baloch nationalists.
              Makes sense, since Peshawar is 50% Pashto-speaking and 50% Punjabi speaking..... maybe from the really big cities they are Paki.

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              • #8
                Well Calling pashtuns of pakistan as Gaddar because of they being patriotic Pakistani doesnt make sense..

                The pashtuns of Pakistan are now completely integrated with Pakistan society
                They do have alot of respect for Afghan pashtuns.
                "[B][SIZE="3"]Seer Speen Wazeer[/SIZE][/B]"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                  Well Calling pashtuns of pakistan as Gaddar because of they being patriotic Pakistani doesnt make sense..

                  The pashtuns of Pakistan are now completely integrated with Pakistan society
                  They do have alot of respect for Afghan pashtuns.
                  I wasn't calling them gaddar, I was saying the Pashtuns from Godar (Pashto word for balochistan) consider themselves as afghans while the KPK Pashtuns call themselves paki because of the vast brainwashing of them thanks to punjabis. Not all Durand Pashtuns like pakistan, a lot of then want an independent Pashtunistan.
                  "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                  -Old Pashtun proverb




                  "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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                  • #10
                    I wasn't calling them gaddar, I was saying the Pashtuns from Godar (Pashto word for balochistan) consider themselves as afghans while the KPK Pashtuns call themselves paki because of the vast brainwashing of them thanks to punjabis. Not all Durand Pashtuns like pakistan, a lot of then want an independent Pashtunistan.
                    Sorry..i was unaware of this that Balochistan is called Godar in Pashto

                    Well may be you are right since i have never been to balochistan(had been to zhob but only for 2 days).Though i had quite a few friends of sherani tribe from zhob(school time friends) and i had noticed the same patriotism among them as the rest of Pakistani pashtuns

                    Though as i said above i dont know about the mass number of pashtuns thinking regarding pakistan.
                    let say
                    Well even if pashtunistan is made by merging the pashtuns majority areas in Afghanistan with KPK and few cities of Balochistan to make up a new pashtunistan

                    dont you think the pashtunistan region still will remain a landlocked country and the only possible route to warm water for us would be Pakistan since Iran wont allow us Talibani called pashtuns to have access to water through iran..because the pashtuns always were a major potential threat to shia.that too twelver shia from afghanistan
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                      Sorry..i was unaware of this that Balochistan is called Godar in Pashto

                      Well may be you are right since i have never been to balochistan(had been to zhob but only for 2 days).Though i had quite a few friends of sherani tribe from zhob(school time friends) and i had noticed the same patriotism among them as the rest of Pakistani pashtuns

                      Though as i said above i dont know about the mass number of pashtuns thinking regarding pakistan.
                      let say
                      Well even if pashtunistan is made by merging the pashtuns majority areas in Afghanistan with KPK and few cities of Balochistan to make up a new pashtunistan

                      dont you think the pashtunistan region still will remain a landlocked country and the only possible route to warm water for us would be Pakistan since Iran wont allow us Talibani called pashtuns to have access to water through iran..because the pashtuns always were a major potential threat to shia.that too twelver shia from afghanistan
                      Logicaly thinking, an idealistic pashtunistan is impossible. By pashtunistan I meant only KPK and balochistan merging to make a new country. Where as Afghanistan want pakistan to give back the Pashtun provinces. Honestly I think Durand Pashtuns should wake up and snap out the brainwashing caused by punjabis and should unite with their Pashtun brothers in Afghanistan. Make a Loy Afghanistan. Pakistan is going to collapse very soon because of how unstable its economy is and the amount of ethnic tensions arisen.
                      "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                      -Old Pashtun proverb




                      "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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