TTP condemns Grossman’s statement about Durand Line

[RevolutionThroughReason]

He doesnt care about being intellectually honest. His only concern is to win the argument. He praises them and look down on them whenever it suits his argument. HE is mentally ill.

Intellectually honest? explain to me how emotionally romanticized delusions of past figures is intellectually honest?

Praises them and looks down upon them? That's called seeing the good points and bad points in everyone. I don't live in the simpleton world that you do that it is all or nothing.

The mentally ill thing, when did a high school drop out like yourself become qualified in psych evaluations?

[khushal]

http://countrystudies.us/afghanistan/50.htm

The Qizilbash are traditionally considered to be the descendants of Persian Shia mercenaries and administrators left behind by the Safavid Emperor Nadir Shah Afshar (1736-47) to govern the Afghan provinces. Under Ahmad Shah Durrani, who served in Nadir Shah's bodyguard, and his successors, the Qizilbash acquired power and influence at court out of proportion to their numbers


yeah very Pashtun-centric ...LOLZ

As Barackzai have already stated, how come there is no evidence of this in comtemporary sources and it does not exist in his tarikh. Like its beleivable to use Shia Qizilbashi gaurds in a sunni area that had deep anti shiite feelings. It makes more sense to use Sunni persians. Out of all people he is using Shia Qizilbash. hahaha.
he would have an uprising on his hands you imbicile.

[khushal]

Intellectually honest? explain to me how emotionally romanticized delusions of past figures is intellectually honest?

Praises them and looks down upon them? That's called seeing the good points and bad points in everyone. I don't live in the simpleton world that you do that it is all or nothing.

The mentally ill thing, when did a high school drop out like yourself become qualified in psych evaluations?

Arnt you the one who claimed that you are like the prophet mohammad. That right there is a sign of mental illness, trying to convince people that your a prophet. Go tell a doctor that and he will put you in a mental illness institution.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

First its not me saying it, it is western and eastern scholars who have studied the man are saying it.
Second, If anyone is cherry picking its you. I already explained all this, reread my post you retard. His forefathers were Moghul army officers and he was following in their footsteps. It was him that broke the chain and rebelled you mentally ill jackass. This so called "pampered rich boy" brought the Moghul Empire to its knees. He was telling his people that the Moghul Empire is nothing without them and to unite and that he said that quoteabout killing his own and it did not make him a moghul is when Arangzeb gave him an ultimatum of "your either with us or against us."

So in essence He and his forefathers were nurtured by the Moghuls and it was him that destroyed them by laying the foundation for Abdali to take Delhi. Your mental illness is going to whole new level. Seriously get some help.

That's exactly the problem; you're going by opinions rather than facts.

You didn't explain all of it, you didn't explain that he considered himself LOYAL to the Mughals, you didn't explain that he was wealthy, was home schooled and wasn't "groomed" l;ike Abdali or the Taliban with political propaganda tripe.

"So in essence" is just a intellectually weak blanket statement for something which is IN ESSENCE not evidence

Live in reality, not romance and insecure Pashtun egotism

Brought them to their knees eh? Let's look at that more closely.

Khushal continued to resist the Mughals on war fronts. These wars according to historians shook the foundations of the Mughal Empire. Khushal gave a romantic touch to his nationalist ideology, he visited the far flung areas, met with Pakhtoon tribal chiefs, particularly the Yousafzais, negotiated with them to bring about unity in Pakhtoon ranks against Mughals but failed in his efforts and returned broken hearted

Ok failed to unify Pakhtuns against Mughals, check!

Bahram joined forces with Moghols set to capture his father, and before he could do so, Khushal Khan fled into Afridi territory assisted by his two sons Nusrat Khan and Gohar Khan. Khushal Khan passed away at the age of 78 on Friday, the 20th February 1689 at Dambara, after attempting for so many years to unite the various Pakhtun tribes together.

His own son went to kill him because the Mughals offered him money, check!

He died failing to unite the Pashtuns against the Mughals, fleeing his son and the Mughals check!

To their knees your ignorant, bottom feeding welfare leeching existence.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Arnt you the one who claimed that you are like the prophet mohammad. That right there is a sign of mental illness, trying to convince people that your a prophet. Go tell a doctor that and he will put you in a mental illness institution.

Really, The Prophet was human was he not? he had the desires of normal humans did he not? So how is being a human like Muhammad(saw) mental illness

Where did I claim I'm a prophet again ? Another one of the Infamous Khushal Straw-man arguments again?

Show me from a Qualified Psychological text where being like another human being is deemed mental illness.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

As Barackzai have already stated, how come there is no evidence of this in comtemporary sources and it does not exist in his tarikh. Like its beleivable to use Shia Qizilbashi gaurds in a sunni area that had deep anti shiite feelings. It makes more sense to use Sunni persians. Out of all people he is using Shia Qizilbash. hahaha.
he would have an uprising on his hands you imbicile.

All you're doing is mindlessly parroting another poster; this isn't a refutatuion, show his Tarikh and which pages disprove that he had Qizilbash ministers. If it's impossible for Shia Qizilbash then how was it possible for a Sunni Ahmad Shah Sadozai to be amongst Militanttly Shi'a Qizilbash in an area with deep Anti-Sunni feelings. and how were there Qizilbash in Afghanistan in the first place, Wouldn't have their been uprisings ON THAt account too later on? But we see NONE what so ever on that account. Strange eh?

See how when we flip your argument around, it fails when looking at historical fact.

[khushal]

Really, The Prophet was human was he not? he had the desires of normal humans did he not? So how is being a human like Muhammad(saw) mental illness

Where did I claim I'm a prophet again ? Another one of the Infamous Khushal Straw-man arguments again?

Show me from a Qualified Psychological text where being like another human being is deemed mental illness.

Trying to backtrack your statement because I have checkmated you again. Why do you have to specifically say your like the "prophet" Mohammad and not just say that the Prophet Mohammad was a human being. What your doing is claiming to be prophetic, you have developed this ego probably from being rejected to much to try to convince people that your a prophet so you could have some respect. That my friend is mental illness. Go ask a doctor and he/she will help you.
I will tackle you later, I have to go now and serve thanksgiving meals to the homeless. But when I say that you need to get help, I am being sincere. You are no different than soldat when it somes to mental handicaps.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Trying to backtrack your statement because I have checkmated you again. Why do you have to specifically say your like the "prophet" Mohammad and not just say that the Prophet Mohammad was a human being. What your doing is claiming to be prophetic, you have developed this ego probably from being rejected to much to try to convince people that your a prophet so you could have some respect. That my friend is mental illness. Go ask a doctor and he/she will help you.
I will tackle you later, I have to go now and serve thanksgiving meals to the homeless. But when I say that you need to get help, I am being sincere. You are no different than soldat when it somes to mental handicaps.

Like your perception of Pashtun historical figures; you're clearly delusional and imagining your own delusional rendition of what people say. If anyone should be labeled mentally ill here, it would be you. That explains why you keep suggesting going to therapy; this must be said to you often, paying it forward I guess?

Don't ask me why I had to say things like that, he's called PROPHET Muhammad, the guy who serves Falafel near Market Street in Philly is JUST Muhammad, how else would you be able to tell the difference?

The fact you've never been able to show a shred of evidence suggesting anything close to what you're claiming is pretty much evidence that such things are merely the hallucinations of your damaged mind.

[khushal]

All you're doing is mindlessly parroting another poster; this isn't a refutatuion, show his Tarikh and which pages disprove that he had Qizilbash ministers. If it's impossible for Shia Qizilbash then how was it possible for a Sunni Ahmad Shah Sadozai to be amongst Militanttly Shi'a Qizilbash in an area with deep Anti-Sunni feelings. and how were there Qizilbash in Afghanistan in the first place, Wouldn't have their been uprisings ON THAt account too later on? But we see NONE what so ever on that account. Strange eh?

See how when we flip your argument around, it fails when looking at historical fact.

The tarikh is in persian and an ebook does not exist yet:
http://books.google.com/books/about/...d=Dl3wHwAACAAJ

But we are talking about positions of power, not just mear existance. At the time I beleive there was a considerable population in kandahar and there was a power struggle between them and the hotoks. Abdali had to defeat them in kandahar and herat as I have mentioned before. Stop ignoring the main points and diverting the issue, man up for once in your life.
But if what you say is correct, then why did the Qizilbash side with the brits in over throwing the durranis. If they had positions of power, would they not side with the durranis so they could keep the power.
If those sources are right and claim that the qizilbash had powerful influence in administering the moghuls empire as well, why did Nadir Shah(who was also a qizilbash) sack the moghuls, isnt he just sacking his own people influence.

The qizilbash even claim that Dost Mohammad Khan was their own but in fact the qizilbash fought against him and sided with the brits. Its all qizilbash fantasy. They even claim that the war against the soviets was all lead by them.

[khushal]

Like your perception of Pashtun historical figures; you're clearly delusional and imagining your own delusional rendition of what people say. If anyone should be labeled mentally ill here, it would be you. That explains why you keep suggesting going to therapy; this must be said to you often, paying it forward I guess?

Don't ask me why I had to say things like that, he's called PROPHET Muhammad, the guy who serves Falafel near Market Street in Philly is JUST Muhammad, how else would you be able to tell the difference?

The fact you've never been able to show a shred of evidence suggesting anything close to what you're claiming is pretty much evidence that such things are merely the hallucinations of your damaged mind.

If your claims of being a prophet and then suggesting the idea of throwing a nuclear bomb on your own people is not loony, then what is.

[khushal]

That's exactly the problem; you're going by opinions rather than facts.

You didn't explain all of it, you didn't explain that he considered himself LOYAL to the Mughals, you didn't explain that he was wealthy, was home schooled and wasn't "groomed" l;ike Abdali or the Taliban with political propaganda tripe.

"So in essence" is just a intellectually weak blanket statement for something which is IN ESSENCE not evidence

Live in reality, not romance and insecure Pashtun egotism

Brought them to their knees eh? Let's look at that more closely.



Ok failed to unify Pakhtuns against Mughals, check!



His own son went to kill him because the Mughals offered him money, check!

He died failing to unite the Pashtuns against the Mughals, fleeing his son and the Mughals check!

To their knees your ignorant, bottom feeding welfare leeching existence.

Your cherry picking again. We are not talking about one of his sons. Try to read with an open mind and double your knowledge, but even that, you would still be stupid.

Khushal continued to resist the Mughals on war fronts. These wars according to historians shook the foundations of the Mughal Empire. After that the revolt spread, with the Mughals suffering a near total collapse of their authority along the Pashtun belt. The closure of the important Attock-to-Kabul trade route along the Grand Trunk road was particularly critical. By 1674, the situation had deteriorated to a point where Aurangzeb himself camped at Attock to personally take charge. Switching to diplomacy and bribery along with force of arms, the Mughals eventually split the rebellion and while they never managed to wield effective authority outside the main trade route.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

The tarikh is in persian and an ebook does not exist yet:
http://books.google.com/books/about/...d=Dl3wHwAACAAJ

But we are talking about positions of power, not just mear existance. At the time I beleive there was a considerable population in kandahar and there was a power struggle between them and the hotoks. Abdali had to defeat them in kandahar and herat as I have mentioned before. Stop ignoring the main points and diverting the issue, man up for once in your life.
But if what you say is correct, then why did the Qizilbash side with the brits in over throwing the durranis. If they had positions of power, would they not side with the durranis so they could keep the power.
If those sources are right and claim that the qizilbash had powerful influence in administering the moghuls empire as well, why did Nadir Shah(who was also a qizilbash) sack the moghuls, isnt he just sacking his own people influence.

The qizilbash even claim that Dost Mohammad Khan was their own but in fact the qizilbash fought against him and sided with the brits. Its all qizilbash fantasy. They even claim that the war against the soviets was all lead by them.

So then how do you know what it says and what it doesn't?

You're spinning your narrative to save Pashtun pride; this is the problem we LIE just to save this false image of glory that we never actually had.

Trying to apply your own FAULTY narrative onto historical events does not refute them happening.

You seem to forget, people are power hungry which pretty much explains every event in our history, from Shah Shuja to the Taliban

You don't want TRUTH, you wnat to salvage the Pashtun ego. ...the fragile, falsified Pashtun ego ....something which must be cleansed.

[khushal]

The TRUTH is not all people are power hungary all the time. you cant say that about khushal khattak since he rejected all offers made by the moghuls. If he was power hungary he would have stayed with the moghuls.

And I am no fan of the Taliban but you cant say they are power hungary otherwise the US would not had to invade Afghanistan. You have to be intellectually honest in order to solve any problems.

There is no ego here because I dont have low self esteem, otherwise I would be like your new best buddy Toramana who uses racism to uplift his low self esteem. I calls it as I sees it.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

but they are when they are a lot of the time, and Afghan history IS ALL ABOUT power hunger.

Afghanistan has always had a very corrupt culture. that's just something you'll have , just because Ahmad Shah Abdali poses as a pious Muslim in his writings, doesn't make him one.

Look at the Taliban, hardly pious, but they posture themselves with an islamic coin. I can very rightly say they're power hungry, power hungry and smart are not the same thing. The Qizilbash were power hungry AND smart, Taliban are power hungry and dumb, hence they had this delusion that they could take on America.

Intellectual honesty requires one address history as it is, not as you want it to be. And in this case you have lacked in this area; everything Pashtuns have deluded themselves into thinking is the opposite

some common pashtun myths

1.) Pashtuns have never been conquered
2.) Pashtuns are 5000 years old
3.) Pashtuns are generally pious Muslims
4.) Pashtuns are descendants of Israelites
5.) Pashtuns are Ghairatmand

Our culture is based on pathological self delusion and lying.

[Shahidulla]

but they are when they are a lot of the time, and Afghan history IS ALL ABOUT power hunger.

Afghanistan has always had a very corrupt culture. that's just something you'll have , just because Ahmad Shah Abdali poses as a pious Muslim in his writings, doesn't make him one.

Look at the Taliban, hardly pious, but they posture themselves with an islamic coin. I can very rightly say they're power hungry, power hungry and smart are not the same thing. The Qizilbash were power hungry AND smart, Taliban are power hungry and dumb, hence they had this delusion that they could take on America.

I do agree with you about the corruption, but you discussed about afghan leaders which was verry negative and not accurate at all . But you should know that we respect them for what they did right what others couldn't achieve like our leaders mirwais khan, khushal khan khattak and many others, and not what they were doing wrong, but in your posts you sound like only downgrading the leaders of pashtuns which is wrong in my opinion you should put some critic on it but sometimes you run out of facts and you make people think you are a hater.

But the issue here is you are comparing the bad qualities with the good qualities which afghan/pashtun leader khushal khan khattak deliverd, and those bad qualities don't stand a chance against the good ones, otherwise many wouldn be proud of them like me and others.

I hope you snap out of this negative vieuw you are giving others, which is backed up with some myths/facts and opinions those are as inaccurate as they can be.