TTP condemns Grossman’s statement about Durand Line

[Shah-i-Kot]

Your stupid idiot, your identity crises has made you insane. We are not comparing the taliban to anyone. you keep losing focus. we are talking about how groups are nurtured and then rebel against the nurturer. WE are talking about the TTP and how they are controlled by the ISI with remote controls, try to keep focus.

Abdali and Khushal Khattak are perfect examples. you have no real proof that abdali created a persian centric state, why would he subdue the grandson of nadir shah, shah rukh from herat and sack the persian cities of Nashipur and Mashhad and reconstitute them into the Durrani Empire. Both men were promoting the unity of their people against bigger threats. Lincoln killed more Americans than all wars america has fought combined and burned towns and citied like Atlanta to the ground but is the most respected leader in Americas history because he kept his people united. Same with Mao and Stalin. You could put them under a microscope and all you will find is that they had faults and were human.

Great post, but its not worth explaining anything to someone who wishes to be stupid.

[khushal]

and he praised Ashraf, didn't Ashraf kill Shah Mahmoud Hotak? Ashraf was the treacherous Hotak who allowed the chance for a Persian uprising.

Mohmoud Hotak was going crazy and paranoid probably because he killed his uncle Abdul Aziz hotak who was Mir Weis Hotaks brother for power, he was killing people around him left and right. Most of the Afghans wanted Ashraf to take over who had many successes against persian forces in battle. Ashraf killed Mohmoud because Mohmoud had killed Ashraf's father. Whats so trecherous about that. If anyone was treacherous it was mohmoud.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Mohmoud Hotak was going crazy and paranoid probably because he killed his uncle Abdul Aziz hotak who was Mir Weis Hotaks brother for power, he was killing people around him left and right. Most of the Afghans wanted Ashraf to take over who had many successes against persian forces in battle. Ashraf killed Mohmoud because Mohmoud had killed Ashraf's father. Whats so trecherous about that. If anyone was treacherous it was mohmoud.

yeah is that why he joined him in Gulnabad to slaughter Persian civilians?

womp womp. I think he just did it because he wanted power, not to avenge his dad or whatever delusional Pashtunwali idiocy you think was behind it.

[khushal]

that was NOT abdali you moron, that was his son who moved the capital of the administration.

and you calling Khushal Khatak a Moghul bitch is completely ludicrous. You understand very little about humanity. Khushal followed in his families footsteps as Moghul army officers, it was him that broke the chain and rebelled. What kind of a bitch would bring the Moghuls to its knees you piece of shyt. He was the pashtun version of William Shakespear as a poet. Ottoman, persian and South Asian philosephers praised him as a fellow philosepher and poet/scholar. The philosepher Allama Muhammad Iqbal said this about Khushal:
http://www.journal-archieves14.webs.com/1219-1227.pdf

That Afghan shanas (Khushal Khan Khattak) said well,
He expressed what he saw save any hesitation.
He was the Hakeem (Philosopher) of Afghan nation.
He was the physician of Afghan cause.
He stated the secrets of nation boldly.
He was rendering and said the right very wisely.

[khushal]

yeah is that why he joined him in Gulnabad to slaughter Persian civilians?

womp womp. I think he just did it because he wanted power, not to avenge his dad or whatever delusional Pashtunwali idiocy you think was behind it.

I said the afghans preferred him because mohmoud was going crazy. who cares what you think if you cant support it with evidence.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

that was NOT abdali you moron, that was his son who moved the capital of the administration.

and you calling Khushal Khatak a Moghul bitch is completely ludicrous. You understand very little about humanity. Khushal followed in his families footsteps as Moghul army officers, it was him that broke the chain and rebelled. What kind of a bitch would bring the Moghuls to its knees you piece of shyt. He was the pashtun version of William Shakespear as a poet. Ottoman, persian and South Asian philosephers praised him as a fellow philosepher and poet/scholar. The philosepher Allama Muhammad Iqbal said this about Khushal:
http://www.journal-archieves14.webs.com/1219-1227.pdf

That Afghan shanas (Khushal Khan Khattak) said well,
He expressed what he saw save any hesitation.
He was the Hakeem (Philosopher) of Afghan nation.
He was the physician of Afghan cause.
He stated the secrets of nation boldly.
He was rendering and said the right very wisely.

yeah and look what else he says ...let's not cherry pick, all this stuff he wrote afterwards was just an attempt to revamp his self-esteem



You need to learn how to have critical thinking Khushal, you don't know how to criticize your so-called heroes

From the Very SAME Wikipedia Page you're quoting from (yeah like you'd ever do any serious reading on this subject anyways, the llink you have is some page about Khushal Khan Khattak eschewing violence, nothing in it contains your citation)

This is Khushal Khan Khattak saying "I served your cause to the best of my honesty, I subdued and killed my own Pakhtoons to promote the Empire’s interests but my services and my loyalty did not make me a Mughal".

In modern terms "I was your bitch, but now I grew a pair and I don't want to be"

and all the nonsense you said about him being trained and nurtured is debunked from your same source too.

Khushal Khan got his early education at home. Perhaps in those days the formal system of education did not exist. Therefore, the rich and prosperous people used to hire teachers to teach their children at home. His father was also economically prosperous because he was on a prominent position in Mughal army. Moreover the Mughal emperor Shah Jahan had given a lot of land to his father. Due to which he could easily afford the educational expenses of his son. Therefore, he also hired the services of some teachers to teach his son at home. We found two names of them through his poetry. One is Maulana Abdul Hakeem and the other is Awais Multani. In a poem, he praised Maulana Abdul Hakeem with the following words:

not exactly "nurtured and indoctrinated"; they were just bitches out to fill their pockets with Mughal cash, not mindless suicide bombers. He was not groomed like Abdali was.

He was a pampered rich boy who got tired of being a tool.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

that was NOT abdali you moron, that was his son who moved the capital of the administration.

where did I say he moved the capital you nincompoop?

[Soldat_Amir]

Its amazing at how much time we spend here debating past figures but neglect the brave Afghans who work hard to fight off the Taliban influence.

Its a fact that 99 percent of PF forum members would not spend a day under the Taliban even if you paid them to.

All this emotional love for Taliban is just Emotions, nothing else, its all mumbo jumbo emotional rants.

These people would kill you for a western passport given the chance

[Soldat_Amir]

The Durrand line needs to be accepted....reason being....do you want people like Mullah Fazaullah creeping over the border to hide from people who dislike him?

Also, if Taliban loved Pashtuns so much then how come they mainly kill Pashtuns.

How come Taliban commanders are guarded by Arabs and Chechens

KHOOBINA MA KASAY HAHA

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Its amazing at how much time we spend here debating past figures but neglect the brave Afghans who work hard to fight off the Taliban influence.

Its a fact that 99 percent of PF forum members would not spend a day under the Taliban even if you paid them to.

All this emotional love for Taliban is just Emotions, nothing else, its all mumbo jumbo emotional rants.

These people would kill you for a western passport given the chance

The past figures arise because people attempt using the Falsified and misrepresented Image of Past figures to justify and console what's happening now they want to justify the Taliban's servitude to the ISI using such


It is by deconstructing the Pashtun narrative that we can deconstruct this fraudulence as well.

[khushal]

where did I say he moved the capital you nincompoop?

you said abandoned a pashtun centric state, that happened when the capital was moved.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

you said abandoned a pashtun centric state, that happened when the capital was moved.

No that happened when he put Qazalbashes in control ...moron

Instead of performing straw man after strawman, pay attention to the actual argument at hand rather than spin doctoring like a desperate intellectual weakling

[RevolutionThroughReason]

http://countrystudies.us/afghanistan/50.htm

The Qizilbash are traditionally considered to be the descendants of Persian Shia mercenaries and administrators left behind by the Safavid Emperor Nadir Shah Afshar (1736-47) to govern the Afghan provinces. Under Ahmad Shah Durrani, who served in Nadir Shah's bodyguard, and his successors, the Qizilbash acquired power and influence at court out of proportion to their numbers


yeah very Pashtun-centric ...LOLZ

[khushal]

yeah and look what else he says ...let's not cherry pick, all this stuff he wrote afterwards was just an attempt to revamp his self-esteem



You need to learn how to have critical thinking Khushal, you don't know how to criticize your so-called heroes

From the Very SAME Wikipedia Page you're quoting from (yeah like you'd ever do any serious reading on this subject anyways, the llink you have is some page about Khushal Khan Khattak eschewing violence, nothing in it contains your citation)

This is Khushal Khan Khattak saying "I served your cause to the best of my honesty, I subdued and killed my own Pakhtoons to promote the Empire’s interests but my services and my loyalty did not make me a Mughal".

In modern terms "I was your bitch, but now I grew a pair and I don't want to be"

and all the nonsense you said about him being trained and nurtured is debunked from your same source too.



not exactly "nurtured and indoctrinated"; they were just bitches out to fill their pockets with Mughal cash, not mindless suicide bombers. He was not groomed like Abdali was.

He was a pampered rich boy who got tired of being a tool.

First its not me saying it, it is western and eastern scholars who have intensly studied the man are saying it.
Second, If anyone is cherry picking its you. I already explained all this, reread my post you retard. His forefathers were Moghul army officers and he was following in their footsteps. It was him that broke the chain and rebelled you mentally ill jackass. This so called "pampered rich boy" brought the Moghul Empire to its knees. He was telling his people that the Moghul Empire is nothing without them and to unite and that he said that quoteabout killing his own and it did not make him a moghul is when Arangzeb gave him an ultimatum of "your either with us or against us."

So in essence He and his forefathers were nurtured by the Moghuls and it was him that destroyed them by laying the foundation for Abdali to take Delhi. Your mental illness is going to whole new level. Seriously get some help.

[khushal]

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Im very surprised you have this opinion our a man who, if Pashtun, was looked up in a book, he would be the picture definition:
Loyal, Brave, Warrior, Poet-Scholar, respectful to his elders, etc.
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He doesnt care about being intellectually honest. His only concern is to win the argument. He praises them and look down on them whenever it suits his argument. HE is mentally ill.