TTP condemns Grossman’s statement about Durand Line

[khushal]

The TTP/Pakistani insurgency exists primarily due to Pakistan 1) supporting the US/NATO war and by token the Karzai regime (with supply routes) and 2) due to Musharraf sending the Pakistan army in 2004 to start a war in Waziristan against primarily FATA Pashtun tribes who had started supporting the Afghan insurgency being waged against a foreign military presence and what they term Karzai regime installed and supported by US/NATO.

It is logical to conclude that just as Pakistan supports the NATO war, so then the Taliban supports the TTP to wage a war against Pakistan, thus, increasing the cost for Pakistan of participating and supporting the NATO war/Karzai regime.

No where does the Karzai regime along with the NDS benefit from 'supporting' the TTP since the TTP is active not only in Pakistan, but Afghanistan too. This is also the reason, Pakistan and the US have been cooperating with each other against the TTP.

However, the US/NATO wants Pakistan to take action against the Afghan Taliban which they say is using FATA as a safe haven, and that this is the reason the US/NATO war has failed. US pays Pakistan a billion dollars a year for Pakistan to support the war.

Pakistan under Musharraf did take action at the request of the US/NATO, and as a result, the TTP-led Pakistani insurgency resulted. So US/NATO as well as the Karzai regime are asking Pakistan again to start another war, and make a new enemy. Pakistan was defeated in Waziristan (losing over 7000 soldiers), and ended up signing what amounts to non-agression/peace pacts to end it.

Pakistan gives NATO supplies to the US/NATO for billions of dollars payment- Pakistan serves as a mercenary state. Pakistan made the NATO war possible. There is no other alternative explanation in explaining the mess Pakistan has put itself and Afghanistan in. Pashtuns are primarily suffering, and the problem is Western intervention which is made possible by Pakistan. There frankly is no other explanation. Pashtuns are opposed to foreign occupation, and always will be, and this is the sole reason that the US/NATO war has failed, and as people say have been defeated.

The region is opposed to foreign interference. The bullets that US/NATO as well as NDS operatives use come via Pakistan supply routes, not from Tehran or New Dehli or the moon, and this is the reason why Pakistan faces a Pakistani insurgency, not due to some alleged non-existent NDS support.

You are right. The NDS and ISI are basically doing the same thing on opposite sides of the borders. They are trying to bring cental governments authority to people that have lived in societies that have been independent from central authority for centuries. The result is violent backlash. These people first view the foreigners as a threat to their way of life and second their local allies as a threat to their way of life. No one is controlling the TTP nor the Afghan Taliban with remote controls, They are the same reaction to two different invaders.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I too don't buy that the NDS is motivating the TTP. I think both the TTP and "Afghan" Taliban are ISI constructs

[Afghanistan2010]

I too don't buy that the NDS is motivating the TTP. I think both the TTP and "Afghan" Taliban are ISI constructs

A new hypothesis came into the game.

So whos right ?,

ISI agents Afghan taliban,
NDS agents TTP,

Afghan taliban allies with TTP,
Afghan and TTP agents of ISI ?

Not bad,have we more options.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I too don't buy that the NDS is motivating the TTP. I think both the TTP and "Afghan" Taliban are ISI constructs

In terms of what the print press has written, Admin Khan is right about this (i.e NDS now being a part of this).

I thought you were a fan of Ahmad Rashid.... so he recently wrote:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...ghanistan.html

"So far, this has been a problem. Afghans officials have quietly admitted to me that Fazlullah’s actions are being backed by the Afghan intelligence services. (Officially, Afghanistan denies all such charges.)"

"Afghan support for extremists like Fazlullah is, in a sense, return pay. Pakistan’s army has done exactly the same thing for the past twelve years—allowing Afghan Taliban to launch strikes into Afghanistan against United States and Afghan forces and then retreat back into Pakistan. Now both countries are more evenly balanced in this dangerous, brutal, bloody proxy war—one that is leading to open war, with Pakistan’s army shelling Fazlullah’s camps and Afghan villages in Kunar almost every day, angering the Afghan public who demand that Karzai take action against Pakistan"

[RevolutionThroughReason]

In terms of what the print press has written, Admin Khan is right about this (i.e NDS now being a part of this).

I thought you were a fan of Ahmad Rashid.... so he recently wrote:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...ghanistan.html

"So far, this has been a problem. Afghans officials have quietly admitted to me that Fazlullah’s actions are being backed by the Afghan intelligence services. (Officially, Afghanistan denies all such charges.)"

"Afghan support for extremists like Fazlullah is, in a sense, return pay. Pakistan’s army has done exactly the same thing for the past twelve years—allowing Afghan Taliban to launch strikes into Afghanistan against United States and Afghan forces and then retreat back into Pakistan. Now both countries are more evenly balanced in this dangerous, brutal, bloody proxy war—one that is leading to open war, with Pakistan’s army shelling Fazlullah’s camps and Afghan villages in Kunar almost every day, angering the Afghan public who demand that Karzai take action against Pakistan"

Maulana Fazlullah,[3] (born 1974)[4] nicknamed the "Radio Mullah" or "Mullah Radio", is the leader of Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi (TNSM), a banned Pakistani Islamic fundamentalist militant group allied to the Pakistani Taliban, that aims to enforce Sharia in the country. He is sometimes referred to as "chief" of the Swat Taliban[5][6] and is the son-in-law of the TNSM's founder, Sufi Muhammad.

that guy you mean?

[BarakzaiAbdali]

that guy you mean?

Yeah scimitar salams.

Same guy. So rashid is saying that fazlullah is a Pakistani talib leader that, like the Quetta shura, took refuge across the border in safer haunts. The army invaded swat and committed abuses but irrespective of that Fazlullah escaped to swat. So rashid saying that just as reportedly the Kandahar Taliban got shelter from isaf across tge border in quetta, so too has fazl establish a safe haven.

I don't personally like rashid but I'm just pointing out his view which he validates based on discussions with nds

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Yeah scimitar salams.

Same guy. So rashid is saying that fazlullah is a Pakistani talib leader that, like the Quetta shura, took refuge across the border in safer haunts. The army invaded swat and committed abuses but irrespective of that Fazlullah escaped to swat. So rashid saying that just as reportedly the Kandahar Taliban got shelter from isaf across tge border in quetta, so too has fazl establish a safe haven.

I don't personally like rashid but I'm just pointing out his view which he validates based on discussions with nds

Actually he is from a group allied with the TTP; not the TTP itself.

[Shah-i-Kot]

You are right. The NDS and ISI are basically doing the same thing on opposite sides of the borders. They are trying to bring cental governments authority to people that have lived in societies that have been independent from central authority for centuries. The result is violent backlash. These people first view the foreigners as a threat to their way of life and second their local allies as a threat to their way of life. No one is controlling the TTP nor the Afghan Taliban with remote controls, They are the same reaction to two different invaders.

Agreed with everything you said. I think this writer Weiss of the article "Impatient for Pashtunistan" (posted in this political section) sums it up with this statement :

"Tellingly, the troubling rise in so-called "green on blue" attacks by Afghan army and police on U.S. and NATO forces -- there have been 53 this year alone -- lays bare the glaring truth of Pashtun sentiment: whether the foreign presence comes from Kabul, Islamabad, or Fort Bragg, they do not want us there."

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Actually he is from a group allied with the TTP; not the TTP itself.

Yeah but his spokesman is that Ehsanullah guy right? The one that the press declares as " a spokesman for the Pakistani Taliban."

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Yeah but his spokesman is that Ehsanullah guy right? The one that the press declares as " a spokesman for the Pakistani Taliban."

I haven't seen any evidence that Ehsanullah Ehsan is the spokesman of Mullah Fazlullah's group.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I haven't seen any evidence that Ehsanullah Ehsan is the spokesman of Mullah Fazlullah's group.

Do not know much about him or his group but I believe he was the one that reportedly put the hit out on Malala right? And Ehsanullah who is repeatedly called the Zabiullah Mujahid equivalent of the TTP spoke about the Malala attack .

[BarakzaiAbdali]

So this article links the two:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ni-schoolgirl/

And it also unites the Ahmad Rashid commentary. It is confirmed that it was Fazlullah that asked for the hit and Ehsanullah was the commentator:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...89B0IG20121012

And Fazl is hiding in Kunar where Rashid says he does sneak attacks on Pak paramilitary and then recedes into Afghanistan.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Or actually it calls him TSNM, but still says he was the one that put the hit on Malala and the media generally reported Ehsanullah as the one who responded on behalf of the "TTP" for the attack. So in either case, he is in the least allied to the TTP.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Here is the link:
"$1 million bounty had been placed on the spokesperson of the Pakistani Taliban who took credit for the attack on Yousafzai. The spokesperson, Ehsanullah Ehsan, defended the attack last week, saying, “She was pro-West, she was speaking against the Taliban and she was calling President Obama her idol.”

AND

"One of the Taliban's most feared commanders, Maulana Fazlullah, carefully briefed two killers from his special hit squad on their next target..."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...89B0IG20121012

So I think this shows that TSNM is a branch of the umbrella organization called TTP of which multiple groups are a part of including the Mahsud Taliban.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

you could be right then. But does this mean that the ISI product is now being bought off by the highest bidder?