Noam Chomsky on "Why Do They Hate US, When We're So Good?"

[khushal]

that's debatable, I believe the Western Scapegoat has been overused as an excuse. There are certain very pertinent facets which cannot be explained by western interventionalism.

also consider that if we take that explanation as the sole and complete one; that means
1.) Fanatics like the Taliban are not actually home grown but foreign implanted
2.) that they do not actually represent their people as people like you have claimed
3.) That they're really a wing/of Western Intervantionalism

so if we take that narrative as wholly true( I agree to its partial truth, and when I say partial I mean a small part), then it still backfires and shows that they'll still be a problem regardless.

But fanatism and extrmeism exists in every society. It is variables like the occupation(but not the only one) that propels this mentality as the driver of the insurgency. How else can you explain why extremism is flouishing.

On another note do you beleive that the vietnam resistance was home grown or was it more of a wing of soviet and chinese imperialism and what about hamas, is that a saudi/iran wing

[RevolutionThroughReason]

That's an irrelevant statement whether they exist in every society or not, it doesn't prove that Taliban are home grown and if we take your narration as fact, it means they're not a natural resistance but a proxy force in guise as native resistance. The presence of the Taliban prior to any occupation by NATO, is proof they were not propelled by the U.S. on the contrary by other regional players seeking to maintain stakes in the region

You can't use Vietnam resistance to validate the Taliban resistance since their conditions involve unparallel variables.

[khushal]

so where is the natural resistance or does not one exist, and why does it not exist, I mean we are talking about a land that has resisted every foreigner to come.

[randolph85]

That's an irrelevant statement whether they exist in every society or not, it doesn't prove that Taliban are home grown and if we take your narration as fact, it means they're not a natural resistance but a proxy force in guise as native resistance. The presence of the Taliban prior to any occupation by NATO, is proof they were not propelled by the U.S. on the contrary by other regional players seeking to maintain stakes in the region

You can't use Vietnam resistance to validate the Taliban resistance since their conditions involve unparallel variables.

every group in afghanistan has been home grown, especially the islamic oriented groups. this includes the communists as well as their adversaries. if the taliban are not home grown, then neither is the 80's jihad. despite my towards the karzai/US regime, id say the taliban has as much right to the throne, if not more than them.

[Toramana]

I think targeting one side of an issue while ignoring others is tantamount to propaganda even if what you say has a degree of truth. True US policies to police the world are a threat to other people freedom but what would you say about such policies carried out by many nations including Muslims at regional, sub-regional, and domestic levels? Why not high-light the reality in its full complexity and scale?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

every group in afghanistan has been home grown, especially the islamic oriented groups. this includes the communists as well as their adversaries. if the taliban are not home grown, then neither is the 80's jihad. despite my towards the karzai/US regime, id say the taliban has as much right to the throne, if not more than them.

I'm actually responding to Khushal ASSUMING his narrative were true, That if it were the sole motivating factor for the Taliban then Western Interventionalism at faulty that his home grown theory would be nullified.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

so where is the natural resistance .

Right here

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/06/24/how-the-taliban-drove-afghan-villagers-to-rise-up-against-them.html

Tired Of The Taliban
Jun 25, 2012 1:00 AM EDT
Villagers in Afghanistan’s Ghazni province rise up against the militants.

No one was more surprised than the men of Ghander village themselves by their sudden uprising against the Taliban. It began unexpectedly after evening prayers on a Sunday in late May, according to eyewitnesses in the dirt-poor farming community in Afghanistan’s Ghazni province. Dozens of men had gathered as usual in front of the mosque to trade gossip and discuss local events. But as they pulled their blankets tighter around their shoulders against the biting end-of-day wind, their conversation suddenly turned to a subject they had always avoided: their resentment of the Taliban. “We supported them for 10 years,” said one elder. “And what have we got in return? They’re not letting us send our children to school or to the provincial hospital. I guess their next idea will be to bury our daughters alive to make sure they never go to school, work in an office, or walk around without a veil.”

You don't naturally resist by killing/threatening/attacking your own people, you do it by PROTECTING the welfare of your own people.

[khushal]

^^That is an isolated incident, I think there is also one in paktya. We dont really know what it is yet, if it is real or some superficial thing that NATO created. Give it a couple of years before you start celebrating. Presently the most organized group that fights foreigners are the Taliban.

Your last statement: Insurgencies main focus is to create instability and do anything they can for the foreign created regime to fail. They are aware they can neither break nor challenge the foreign army directly, but can only break the domestic regime propped up by the foreigner.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

it's not that isolated and its natural resistance. You asked for where it is, it's there. And if your explanation is correct; then the problems are not the regime, it's the destabilisers and people don't want to prevent something from working unless it's goal is to regain power for themselves. That verifies the Taliban are a problem irregardless of foreign action, they just want to subjugate.

[khushal]

Presently it is isolated since I have on;y heard of two incidences of such. similar things happened during the soviet days as well. Was it not masood that fought HIG and supposedly the soviets as well. did we not find out years later that masood was on the soviets payroll and was ordered to keep HIG at bay.

If the regime was not aproblem, then the taliban would not exist. Why would a resistance be needed to the taliban, is that not the regimes job. Why are they not doing their job and why are the people not supporting the regime?