"The" Taliban?

[faye]

people did it in the 7th century, I don't think you need cell phones to do that now.

is this a straw man?
you don't know all the details from the 7th century. give me proof that there were no defects in the 7th century invasions or invaders.
the taliban still have the western invaders fighting them, after 11 years.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

And how does one deal with such dual policy holding occupiers...

Stand for elections?
Go to the voting booth?
Occupy the streets of Kandahar demand justice?
Sing kumbaya?

Those thing actually did happen, they all failed. Thus why you have a RESURGENT Taliban.

I'm not trying to exonerate America; you're trying to exonerate the Taliban, so these questions hold not sway on me.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

is this a straw man?
you don't know all the details from the 7th century. give me proof that there were no defects in the 7th century invasions or invaders.
the taliban still have the western invaders fighting them, after 11 years.

There are defects, just not pandemic ones. They manly happened later on.

[faye]

it's obvious that, what is proposed by many, that ordinary farmers and afghan citizens, perhaps victims of nato abuses and bombings, are joining in, foreigners are joining in, and all are labelled 'taliban'.
therefore, one cannot just blame the leaders, who appear to not even be in the field, but hiding in pakistan, for not having control of everybody labelled
'taliban.'
one could though ask, why they are not i the field and why they are hiding in pakistan.

[R3SISTANC3]

I'm not trying to exonerate America; you're trying to exonerate the Taliban, so these questions hold not sway on me.

No I'm not.

I don't recognize the insurgents in Afghanistan as pointed out by this article to be some monolithic entity called "the Taliban". Instead I recognize them as indigenous people on whom a way of life is being enforced all because international global elitist corporatists can't wait for these people to evolve naturally through their own freedom and choice.

I also know this very fact since I am a Pashtun, and I know that a Talib is basically anyone that went to a maktab or a madrassa. Talib means student, and students come from all sorts of mind sets. There are Salafi Talibs, Sufi Talibs, Deobandi Talibs, Tableeghi Talibs etc.

Talibs also give allegiance to their local villages and commanders. Like the Maseed Talibs were against Wazir Talib, both of them against the Turkistani Talibs. The Khyber Talibs against the Orakzai Talibs, vs the Momand agency Talibs vs the Swat Talibs. The Afghan Talibs the TTP Talibs vs the Haqqani Talibs vs the Hizb-i-Islam Talibs.

The Tajik, Uzbek, Arab foriegn loving Talibs vs those who kicked them out of their villages Taibs.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

it's obvious that, what is proposed by many, that ordinary farmers and afghan citizens, perhaps victims of nato abuses and bombings, are joining in, foreigners are joining in, and all are labelled 'taliban'.
therefore, one cannot just blame the leaders, who appear to not even be in the field, but hiding in pakistan, for not having control of everybody labelled
'taliban.'
one could though ask, why they are not i the field and why they are hiding in pakistan.

We're not talking about legitimate resisters; Even the Andarr Uprising in Ghazni have hopes of repelling NATO. We're talking about people who made allegiance to Muhammad Omar, in edicts by Mullah Omar he has advocated the deaths of people on perceived claims of alleged betrayal, and suicide attacks. There's no doubt that those who do so are doing so on that guidance.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

No I'm not.

I don't recognize the insurgents in Afghanistan as pointed out by this article to be some monolithic entity called "the Taliban". Instead I recognize them as indigenous people on whom a way of life is being enforced all because international global elitist corporatists can't wait for these people to evolve naturally through their own freedom and choice.

I also know this very fact since I am a Pashtun, and I know that a Talib is basically anyone that went to a maktab or a madrassa. Talib means student, and students come from all sorts of mind sets. There are Salafi Talibs, Sufi Talibs, Deobandi Talibs, Tableeghi Talibs etc.

Talibs also give allegiance to their local villages and commanders. Like the Maseed Talibs were against Wazir Talib, both of them against the Turkistani Talibs. The Khyber Talibs against the Orakzai Talibs, vs the Momand agency Talibs vs the Swat Talibs. The Afghan Talibs the TTP Talibs vs the Haqqani Talibs vs the Hizb-i-Islam Talibs.

The Tajik, Uzbek, Arab foriegn loving Talibs vs those who kicked them out of their villages Taibs.

Yes i know but that view is nonsense and has been disproved by their activities in the 90's. Granted there is legitimate resistance and much of that resistance may in fact NOT be Taliban or even under the auspice of the Taliban. This doesn't change the fact that those who pathologically murder Afghans, intimidate the locals claim directives from Mullah Omar and identify themselves as Taliban. How the outsiders identify them is another issue. we're going by how they self identify.


The local power squabbles doesn't demonstrate that the Taliban are "rag tag guerillas trying to protect their way of life" in fact Taliban are wholly against the indigenous way of life. banning music, making people grow long beards, banning dancing. This is really about power and domination.


The narrow idea that there's only two sides "Good" vs. "Evil" and one side proclaims themselves as good and thus the other is evil is unrealistic. In this cse the Taliban are evil albeit of a more dunderheaded oaf variety , NATO is evil in the more nefarious way. Both harm Pashtuns and Afghanistan and ultimately the Muslim world in general.