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    Taliban commander admits war cannot be won. What does that mean? Taliban commander's comments, in interview with Afghan expert Michael Semple, suggest that Taliban might be ready for negotiation. But are the Taliban unified enough to act as one?

    By Scott Baldauf, Staff writer / July 11, 2012

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    In Afghanistan, the most misleading thing about using the term “the Taliban” is the word “the.”

    Using the word “the” suggests that there is a single entity called the Taliban, with a unified group of leaders who share common goals, devise strategies to reach those goals, and who recruit and manage a core of individual foot soldiers who implement those strategies.

    Not to diminish the dangers faced by NATO and Afghan troops, but the entire point of guerrilla warfare is that small, loosely affiliated groups of insurgents can strike quickly, and then melt away into the countryside. If one group is neutralized, the rest of the “organization” continues.

    “The Taliban," like “the Mujahideen" who fought the Soviet occupation, are often simply a collection of village militias of varying levels of training, discipline, and commitment. Many of them share common belief in the role of Sharia, or Islamic law, in daily life, and in theory, all may show their allegiance to a common leadership: the Quetta shura, including Taliban supreme leader Mullah Muhammad Omar, for instance. But all too often, that is where their common mission ends. Once an American or Afghan army unit leaves this valley for another one, many Taliban units go back to their day jobs of farming, herding sheep, and keeping shops in the local bazaar.

    Mission accomplished, right?

    It is with this in mind that I read excerpts of an interview with a Taliban commander, conducted by the noted diplomat and Afghan expert Michael Semple. Mr. Semple, who has maintained backchannel contacts with Taliban leaders for more than a decade, published his interview in The New Statesman magazine.

    One quote, attributed to a senior Taliban commander, identified by Semple as “Mawlvi,” has attracted the most attention:

    “It is in the nature of war that both sides dream of victory. But the balance of power in the Afghan conflict is obvious. It would take some kind of divine intervention for the Taliban to win this war. The Taliban capturing Kabul is a very distant prospect. Any Taliban leader expecting to be able to capture Kabul is making a grave mistake. Nevertheless, the leadership also knows that it cannot afford to acknowledge this weakness. To do so would undermine the morale of Taliban personnel. The leadership knows the truth – that they cannot prevail over the power they confront.”

    This is a remarkable statement, a rare sign of doubt or realism from a group that is generally given to boasting.

    Knowing Semple, I am certain that the person he is quoting is who Semple says he is, a senior Taliban commander, and probably a man with considerable influence. It is entirely likely that this commander represents a significant faction of opinion within the Taliban, a group that may be persuaded that their best course of action in furthering their political goals would be to lay down their weapons, start talking with the Karzai government, and reintegrate into Afghan politics

    Yet one of the challenges that both the Americans and Afghan governments have faced is the problem of knowing who they are dealing with. When the Obama administration announced this year that it would be willing to open talks with the Taliban, and the emirate of Qatar agreed to allow the Taliban to open an office in Doha, it was with the understanding that a certain number of known Taliban leaders would represent the organization. Some Taliban leaders welcomed the idea of talks, while others publicly denied talking with the Americans.

    The truth is that there are several competing factions within the Taliban movement – just as there are different interest groups, ideologies, and egos in the Republican and Democratic parties of the US. Talking with a senior leader from one particular faction does not guarantee compliance by the organization as a whole.

    That is why on the same day that you read about Taliban admitting they can’t win the war, you can also read a story about Taliban claiming responsibility for a roadside bombing that may have killed six US troops, and a separate story about how Afghan security forces killed a Taliban commander and bombmaker who had been disguised as a woman.

    It may also be why you can hear the distinctly non-pacifist comments of Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid, this week, who denied rumors of talks with “the powerless and puppet government of Karzai” as ''a wave of enemy propaganda … by some officials of the stooge Kabul regime.”

    Which of these contradictory viewpoints – pragmatic negotiation or stubborn vows of warfare – truly represent “the Taliban?”

    They both do.


    And while these various factions debate, or even fight amongst themselves for dominance, the war in Afghanistan is likely to drag on, guaranteeing that America’s decade of intervention in Afghanistan ends with a costly flourish.






    WARNING: CSMonitor is owned by fake nation, fake army, fake agency, american aid eaters, fake nukes, dhaal khor Punjaabis. They are also Taliban sympathizers, and produce nonsensical emotional diatribes to sway the Islamised prune to terrorism masses due to their indoctrination by the QOORAAN. You are warned against this ARAAABIAN MUSSLAAMIC propaganda against the mighty sons of 10 THOUSAND YEAR OLD Aryan history of PURE BLOOD of PURE SAKA ZULU mighty ARYAN WARRIORS of WHITE GENETICS.

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    "WARNING: CSMonitor is owned by fake nation, fake army, fake agency, american aid eaters, fake nukes, dhaal khor Punjaabis. They are also Taliban sympathizers, and produce nonsensical emotional diatribes to sway the Islamised prune to terrorism masses due to their indoctrination by the QOORAAN. You are warned against this ARAAABIAN MUSSLAAMIC propaganda against the mighty sons of 10 THOUSAND YEAR OLD Aryan history of PURE BLOOD of PURE SAKA ZULU mighty ARYAN WARRIORS of WHITE GENETICS. "


    Astaghfurullah.

    White nationalism = Al-Shaitan in human form.
    Dark Vader Ghost King El Malo Camello Papa

    Pro-Black is Pro-Righteous!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by حکیم خان اورګونی View Post
      "WARNING: CSMonitor is owned by fake nation, fake army, fake agency, american aid eaters, fake nukes, dhaal khor Punjaabis. They are also Taliban sympathizers, and produce nonsensical emotional diatribes to sway the Islamised prune to terrorism masses due to their indoctrination by the QOORAAN. You are warned against this ARAAABIAN MUSSLAAMIC propaganda against the mighty sons of 10 THOUSAND YEAR OLD Aryan history of PURE BLOOD of PURE SAKA ZULU mighty ARYAN WARRIORS of WHITE GENETICS. "


      Astaghfurullah.

      White nationalism = Al-Shaitan in human form.

      This disease is not local to Pashtun, this disease has migrated from neighboring groups who had a caste system based on it. A Pashtun can never have an inferiority complex, he has no reason to. Thus you wonder what sort and kind of Pashtun would have such complexes? This is not common in kalay, but an issue among the urbanized sorts. In kalay a Pashtun is tested by his Pashtunwale. In urban centres since there is little Pashtunwale, they cling on to superficial things like the tone of skin color, or the shape of your nose.

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      • #4
        If we believe that this means MUllah Omar is a bad leader
        [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

        2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
          If we believe that this means MUllah Omar is a bad leader
          -not that it matters, but how so?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by R3SISTANC3 View Post
            -not that it matters, but how so?
            He can't regulate over the Taliban...THAT is if this is true ...if this is not true, he's a qualified leader BUT an evil person, since he would be responsible for the crimes of the Taliban

            catch 22. Pick one.
            [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
              He can't regulate over the Taliban...THAT is if this is true ...if this is not true, he's a qualified leader BUT an evil person, since he would be responsible for the crimes of the Taliban

              catch 22. Pick one.

              ABSURD!! ABSURD!! ABSURD!! Bro, ABSURD!!


              Abu Ghariab, Guantanamo bay, Muhammadiya, Fallujah, AFG Kill Team, Pissing on AFG dead, AFG Quran Burning, AFG dead burning, Afghan massacre: Sgt Bales!


              The highly sophisticated, educated, technologically advanced, the lone super power of the world, can and does fail again and again, and again. Yet you expect so much from an uneducated village Mullah who sees with only one eye? ABSURD!

              Dude come on man, seriously.

              My head is hurting now...lol

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              • #8
                Originally posted by R3SISTANC3 View Post
                ABSURD!! ABSURD!! ABSURD!! Bro, ABSURD!!


                Abu Ghariab, Guantanamo bay, Muhammadiya, Fallujah, AFG Kill Team, Pissing on AFG dead, AFG Quran Burning, AFG dead burning, Afghan massacre: Sgt Bales!


                The highly sophisticated, educated, technologically advanced, the lone super power of the world, can and does fail again and again, and again. Yet you expect so much from an uneducated village Mullah who sees with only one eye? ABSURD!

                Dude come on man, seriously.

                My head is hurting now...lol

                Prophet Muhammad lead his people and he didn't have these issues so rampantly. And using St. Bales is a BAD example since we all know that behind the scenes the command have a dual policy, kill just don't get caught.
                [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                • #9
                  revo, you are definitely illogical, as far as your expectations from the taliban.
                  i live in australia, not too far from a town where it is near impossible to get mobile phone access.
                  how can one expect members of a group, scattered throughout pakistan and afghanistan, mountains, valleys, deserts and plains, to be in perfect control and organisation?
                  ridiculous!!!!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                    Prophet Muhammad lead his people and he didn't have these issues so rampantly. And using St. Bales is a BAD example since we all know that behind the scenes the command have a dual policy, kill just don't get caught.
                    I didn't know that Mullah Omar claimed to be a prophet. Even the Prophet SAW, as you stated had people do things that he had no control over.

                    On the other hand Islamaphobes will disagree with you and I since they have written books about the "rampant" slaughter of non-Muslims during the time of the Prophet Mohammad. You know, the same people who are in Afghanistan writing books and making movies about the monolithic monster "the Taliban".

                    catch 22, pick one.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by R3SISTANC3 View Post
                      I didn't know that Mullah Omar claimed to be a prophet. Even the Prophet SAW, as you stated had people do things that he had no control over.

                      On the other hand Islamaphobes will disagree with you and I since they have written books about the "rampant" slaughter of non-Muslims during the time of the Prophet Mohammad. You know, the same people who are in Afghanistan writing books and making movies about the monolithic monster "the Taliban".

                      catch 22, pick one.


                      Well it's not like the Prophet waved a magic wand and made people obey him; he was a good leader ad that's why people followed him. So if Mullah Omar can wear the Prophet's cloak and call himself Amir, he should be delivering good results right?



                      The difference is , Taliban are doing rampant slaughter of Muslims......your point is moot.
                      [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                      2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by faye View Post
                        revo, you are definitely illogical, as far as your expectations from the taliban.
                        i live in australia, not too far from a town where it is near impossible to get mobile phone access.
                        how can one expect members of a group, scattered throughout pakistan and afghanistan, mountains, valleys, deserts and plains, to be in perfect control and organisation?
                        ridiculous!!!!!
                        people did it in the 7th century, I don't think you need cell phones to do that now.
                        [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                        2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                        • #13
                          Jaaaaaaaar de sam Mullah Omar!
                          Loy zmarai yaaste.

                          One-eyed old man has the world shook.

                          Mad ting respect.
                          Dark Vader Ghost King El Malo Camello Papa

                          Pro-Black is Pro-Righteous!

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                          • #14
                            And using St. Bales is a BAD example since we all know that behind the scenes the command have a dual policy, kill just don't get caught.
                            And how does one deal with such dual policy holding occupiers...

                            Stand for elections?
                            Go to the voting booth?
                            Occupy the streets of Kandahar demand justice?
                            Sing kumbaya?

                            Those thing actually did happen, they all failed. Thus why you have a RESURGENT Taliban.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                              Well it's not like the Prophet waved a magic wand and made people obey him; he was a good leader ad that's why people followed him. So if Mullah Omar can wear the Prophet's cloak and call himself Amir, he should be delivering good results right?

                              The difference is , Taliban are doing rampant slaughter of Muslims......your point is moot.

                              I think there was an article on how Mullah Omar didn't wear the cloak of the Prophet rather he used it just like all former Amirs to seek blessing. Nonetheless you are indirectly equating Mullah Omar to that of the status of a Prophet. The Prophet didn't have a magic wand, he had something much more greater and that was a direct connection to God through his arch angels. He was also purified, and why would he need purification in the first place? Did Mullah Omar receive such purification?

                              You know, if Mullah Omar read this RR, you placing him in the same bracket as the last Prophet of God to humanity, he would be very very upset. At least I think. You give Mullah Omar too much credit, credit that the president of the only Superpower of the World is not expected of.

                              Oh- Muslims have always slaughtered other Muslims, so have Christains and Hindus, secularists and atheists when it came down to political struggles. That argument is moot.

                              btw, what happened right after the Prophet SAW passed away. Look up Ridda wars.

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