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    U.S. delivers 'powerful commitment' to Afghanistan

    KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) – The U.S. designation Saturday of Afghanistan as its newest "major non-NATO ally" amounts to a political statement of support for the country's long-term stability and solidifies close defense cooperation after American combat troops withdraw in 2014.

    "We see this as a powerful commitment to Afghanistan's future," U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said at a news conference during a brief stop in the Afghan capital. "We are not even imagining abandoning Afghanistan," she said in the grand courtyard of the presidential palace after talks with President Hamid Karzai.

    From Kabul, she and Karzai headed separately to Japan for an international conference on Afghan civilian assistance. Donors planned to pledge $16 billion over four years, with the U.S. share not immediately clear, according to a U.S. diplomatic official speaking on condition of anonymity ahead of the official announcement Sunday.

    The non-NATO ally declaration allows for streamlined defense cooperation, including expedited purchasing ability of American equipment and easier export control regulations. Afghanistan's military, heavily dependent on American and foreign assistance, already enjoys many of these benefits. The non-NATO ally status guarantees it will continue to do so.

    Afghanistan is the 15th such country to receive the designation. Others include Australia, Egypt, Israel and Japan. Afghanistan's neighbor Pakistan was the last nation to gain the status, in 2004.

    Clinton insisted that progress was coming incrementally but consistently to Afghanistan after decades of conflict. "The security situation is more stable," she said. Afghan forces "are improving their capacity."

    At the news conference, Karzai thanked the U.S. for its continued support.
    Clinton repeated the tenets of America's "fight, talk, build" strategy for Afghanistan: defeat extremists, and win over Taliban militants and others willing to renounce violence and help in the long reconstruction of Afghanistan.

    Fighting still rages as Afghan and U.S.-led coalition forces battle insurgents, mostly in the eastern part of the country. Although casualties have fallen among foreign forces as the United States and other nations begin a gradual withdrawal, 215 coalition soldiers were killed in the first six months of the year, compared with 271 in the same period last year.

    Reconciliation efforts haven't gained steam. Still, Clinton said she was pleased to be meeting the foreign ministers of Afghanistan and Pakistan together at the conference in Tokyo. That three-way relationship is seen as critical to stabilizing Afghanistan.

    Clinton, who flew to Kabul after attending a 100-nation meeting on Syria in Paris, stressed the importance of the pledges for civilian aid. Afghanistan's cash-strapped government depends heavily on foreign assistance, and any significant drop-off in that help after 2014 could set back the country's development.

    Asked about the corruption that has plagued the Afghan government, Clinton said the U.S. was working hard with Afghan authorities to eliminate fraud, mismanagement and abuse. She said the meeting in Tokyo would include accountability measures to ensure that money sent to Afghanistan benefits the Afghan people.

    "This is an issue the government and the people of Afghanistan want action on, and we want to ensure they are successful," Clinton said.
    Nations that once gave more generously to Afghanistan are now seeking guarantees that their taxpayer money will not be lost to corruption and mismanagement.

    International donors say that many promises to crack down on corruption have not been carried out. Some highly placed Afghan officials have been investigated for corruption but seldom prosecuted, and some graft investigations have come close to the president himself.

    In Tokyo, representatives from some 70 countries and organizations planned to establish accountability guidelines to ensure that Afghanistan does more to improve governance and finance management, and to safeguard the democratic process, rule of law and human rights, especially those of women.
    On the major non-NATO ally designation, Clinton said Afghanistan would have access to U.S. defense supplies and training and cooperation.

    "This is the kind of relationship that we think will be especially beneficial as we plan for the transition," she said. "It will help the Afghan military expand its capacity and have a broader relationship with the United States."

    Designating Afghanistan as a major non-NATO ally was part of a Strategic Partnership Agreement signed by Presidents Barack Obama and Karzai in Kabul at the beginning of May.

    On Wednesday, the U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan, Ryan Crocker, and the country's foreign minister announced that the two countries had completed their internal processes to ratify the agreement, which has now gone into force.
    Copyright 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

  • #2
    I predicted this 3 weeks ago. Seems like once again I was spot on with my analysis.
    Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

    A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

    For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


    The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

    -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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    • #3
      "...The non-NATO ally declaration allows for streamlined defense cooperation, including expedited purchasing ability of American equipment and easier export control regulations..."

      To be able to purchase military hardware you need money.

      Afghanistan can´t even afford hardware used in the Korean War, let modern American technology alone.


      If it´s a symbolic gesture then it´s disappointing.


      If it means a deeper strategic partnership with annual military help like Egypt, South Korea, Israel and Pakistan get, then it´s fine.

      Last edited by MostafaM; 07-07-2012, 07:50 PM.
      The only constant is change.

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      • #4
        If Afghanistan had a good leadership they can easily lobby for a few F22s.
        Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

        A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

        For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


        The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

        -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
          If Afghanistan had a good leadership they can easily lobby for a few F22s.

          You mean those air superiority fighter jets with stealth technology? Aren´t they really expensive?

          F-18 Hornets would be ok, too.

          Afghanistan needs a good air force that´s for sure.
          The only constant is change.

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          • #6
            well thats something what is really disturbing me .

            the current installed regime ,is just a midget compard to dr najibullahs goverment , and still the americans and their allies thinks they could handle it on their own till 2014 ???

            i think that there will be a truce and a political divison of the country , where talibs are hand over certain regions ( mainly pashtun areas ) , the north and the "willing " will be provided with more ressourcess and used as a strategic foot whole and as a ground for nato bases .

            even if they ( northern alliance and the rest ) are corrupted , its easy to spark ethnic tensions and scare the people with civil war , so they will be quiet , knowing that "their " so called leaders are criminals and thugs but the only one who will them protect , from bad bad "pashtun "talibs .

            and with enough ressources and continious support of the americans its unlikely that the taliban would defeat them in their areas . let us not forget , when the northern alliance was kicked out , it just happend because , the americans as the pakis , wanted that it happen this way .

            and the pakistanis would be more than pleased to see a divided afghanistan , where they have atleast their part , in this case pashtun dominated areas. the worest what could happen to them would be a strong independent goverment , which stands in a row .

            the americans tried to create a state , but due to their arrogance and the people who they choose , they failed , but they spent too much and have vital interessts in the region to just leave .


            the only positive outcome would be if the taliban could persuade the americans , that they are the ones with which they want to make business.
            and be again considerd pakistani clients . but those who have such intentions ,will be taken out very fast by the pakis .

            but this leads us again to the point why the american didnt recognized the taliban not in the first place .

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mostafa1919 View Post
              "...The non-NATO ally declaration allows for streamlined defense cooperation, including expedited purchasing ability of American equipment and easier export control regulations..."

              To be able to purchase military hardware you need money.

              Afghanistan can´t even afford hardware used in the Korean War, let modern American technology alone.


              If it´s a symbolic gesture then it´s disappointing.


              If it means a deeper strategic partnership with annual military help like Egypt, South Korea, Israel and Pakistan get, then it´s fine.

              Afghanistan has the funds Mostafa, the nation has an incredibly corrupt administration where these funds go missing. The nation is not cash-strapped, it has all "these" donors, that have given Afghanistan SIXTY billion US dollars thus far, and yet Afghanistan has nothing to show for it. If a proper adminstration strategically uses these funds, she will be able to create a strong deterrence for her neighbors. Remember, one of the reasons regional nations can't succeed is because of their huge population. Afghanistan has only 25 million people, so 11 billion in aid, of which 5 billion in military aid is more than enough Mostafa jaan. Think about it, these corrupt officials built houses in Dubai with that money, etc. If Afghanistan uses these funds properly, she can quickly surpass India, Iran, Pakistan in every field possible. Educating 1 billion people is a lot harder than educating 25 million, etc.
              Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

              A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

              For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


              The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

              -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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              • #8
                Did anyone else tied this "surprise" to the Pakistani "apology" issue?

                but this leads us again to the point why the american didnt recognized the taliban not in the first place.
                Here, everything you need to know:

                A timeline of competition between Unocal and Bridas---now BP Amoco Argentina---to woo the Taliban and build an oil and gas pipeline through Afghanistan

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by R3SISTANC3 View Post
                  Did anyone else tied this "surprise" to the Pakistani "apology" issue?



                  Here, everything you need to know:

                  http://www.worldpress.org/specials/p...e_timeline.htm
                  Can you elaborate on the surprise.
                  Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                  A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                  For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                  The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                  -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
                    Can you elaborate on the surprise.
                    Well according to some experts this was a surprise declaration, and was to stick it to the Pakistanis since it puts Afghanistan in the same category as them.

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                    • #11
                      Resistance, I reject that theory since this was actually done a month ago. If you trace back my posts, you can see even I have mentioned that this will happen soon with references. The so called top brass had confirmed this move to occur months ago. I can understand why Pakistani would be shaking. They lost a major intel officer today in Karachi.
                      Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                      A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                      For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                      The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                      -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                      • #12
                        many soldiers don't even have decent guns or enough ammo. lets start there instead of jet fighters that are practically useless to the afghan army.
                        There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                        Sayyid Qutb

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
                          Resistance, I reject that theory since this was actually done a month ago. If you trace back my posts, you can see even I have mentioned that this will happen soon with references. The so called top brass had confirmed this move to occur months ago. I can understand why Pakistani would be shaking. They lost a major intel officer today in Karachi.
                          Did not know this was declared a month ago. I read a piece that this was a surprise declaration and a surprise visit by Hillary.

                          "From now on, foreigners are not to blame; they were blamed when we were ignorant. But now we have identified them, we know Pakistan, Iran and United States. We understand everything. It would be our own fault if we are deceived again.'' - Karzai July 8, 2012

                          Looks like old boy Karzai has finally taken off the karakul.

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                          • #14
                            Here, everything you need to know:

                            http://www.worldpress.org/specials/p...e_timeline.htm
                            this nothing new nor englightenig and also not an answer to the question !!!


                            besides what should be suprising on the "apology " ???

                            do you really think that 60 years of loyal service as a vasall would change anything ???

                            the pakis just needed to save face to some degree , and the americans humiliated then just one more time and reminded them where their place is .

                            no american tax dollars no pakistan

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by abassinafghan View Post
                              this nothing new nor englightenig and also not an answer to the question !!!


                              besides what should be suprising on the "apology " ???

                              do you really think that 60 years of loyal service as a vasall would change anything ???

                              the pakis just needed to save face to some degree , and the americans humiliated then just one more time and reminded them where their place is .

                              no american tax dollars no pakistan

                              Oh okay then, I hope you find the mighty answers you are looking for.

                              And no one said anything about the apology being "surprising". Try reading it again.

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