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Even I feel Karzai's pain on this one."2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote -
I swear dude, I was about to go vote for this fool. Good looking out. No serious I hadn't even given it a thought from that angle ahahahaha what a slimy pan-parso troll.Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View Post
I was basically commenting on stuff like:
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Many Pashtuns hailing from the Khatak, Niazi, Yusufzai, and Tarin tribes are integrated in Pakistan.
The Islamist Pashtuns of Pakistan have largely been a tool in the hands of the country's military and intelligence agencies to use against the ethno-nationalists in the regions of Khyber Pukhtunkhwa and Balochistan.
The ethno-nationalist Pashtuns of Pakistan have advocated for the rights of their ethnic group within the country. Led by Wali Khan’s family in Khyber Pukhtunkhwa and Mahmood Khan Achakzai in Balochistan, these two parties maintain good ties with Afghanistan and India as a strategic fallback when pushed into the margins by the Pakistani establishment.
However, they could be co-opted as they ascend to power.
Afghanistan has never been able to provide truly strategic support to the Pashtuns of Pakistan.
Though a significant ethnic group, Pashtuns lack a government of their own. Their language is under threat from English, Urdu, Punjbai and Farsi. Education in Pashto in Pakistan brings no reward.
The many Pashtuns in Karachi are in conflict with the Mohajir Qaumi Movement over land and job opportunities. The Pashtuns of Khyber Pukhtunkhwa are in dispute with the Punjab region over water, resources, higher education, political participation, language and other issues. And Pashtuns in Afghanistan are challenged by the rise of non-Pashtun groups.
Ethnicity will continue to play a dominant role in the politics of Afghanistan
The struggles of other ethnic groups for political power in Afghanistan - such as the Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras - challenges the dominant umbrella role the Pashtuns have played in the past.
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Afghan Northern Alliance Allies Betrayed by Obama Administration; Meet with U.S. Congressmen in Berlin
January 9, 2012
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Today, Rep. Louie Gohmert (TX-01) along with Reps. Dana Rohrabacher (CA-46), Loretta Sanchez (CA-47) and Steve King (IA-05) held a press conference in Berlin, Germany, on their private meeting with Northern Alliance Leaders on Afghan Strategy. These leaders who fought with embedded Special Forces to initially defeat the Taliban represent over 60-percent of the Afghan people, yet are being entirely disregarded by the Obama and Karzai Administrations in negotiations. Instead, the Obama regime is choosing to now make concessions to the group that helped train for the 9-11 attacks and whose leader proclaimed on Afghan TV recently that the U.S. has been defeated and is now begging them for negotiations.
Rep. Gohmert and the individuals, listed below, released the following joint statement:
“We have supported the mission of the Coalition Forces in Afghanistan. It is our fervent desire that the Coalition Forces be successful. Yet, after the departure of the Coalition Forces, the enormous American, Coalition, and Afghan investment with their lives and treasure is currently in great peril of having been in vain. Our concern is that the present political system is dysfunctional because all the power is centralized in a way that no American would tolerate in the United States. The current system has fatally concentrated decision-making to whoever is President of the country. The Afghan President appoints the governors of each province and district, the mayor of every town, every provincial chief of police, one third of the entire Senate, and even every judge in Afghanistan.”
“This centralized power has led to massive corruption, disenfranchisement of a large segment of the Afghan people, obstacles to economic development, massive abuses of power, increasing political instability, poor governance, and a vast undermining of law and order.”
“We call for a national dialogue on a revised Constitution to correct the inherent flaws in the present power structure by decentralizing the political system, making it more compatible with the diverse political, social and cultural nature of Afghanistan. The Afghan people deserve and need a parliamentary form of democracy instead of a personality-centered Presidential system.’
“We firmly believe that any negotiation with the Taliban can only be acceptable, and therefore effective, if all parties to the conflict are involved in the process. The present form of discussions with the Taliban is flawed, as it excludes anti-Taliban Afghans. It must be recalled that the Taliban extremists and their Al-Qaeda supporters were defeated by Afghans resisting extremism with minimal human embedded support from the United States and International community. The present negotiations with the Taliban fail to take into account the risks, sacrifices and legitimate interests of the Afghans who ended the brutal oppression of all Afghans.”
“In order to speed the withdrawal of international forces, the participants believe it is essential to strengthen regional and national institutions that are inclusive and represent the concerns of all the communities of Afghanistan.”
“The participants favor a change in the Electoral System from a Single Non Transferable Vote System to a nationally accepted variant of the Proportional Representation system with equal opportunities for independent candidates, the political parties, or tribal representatives. We also support the election of Governors and empowerment of provincial councils. Such elected Governors and provincial councils should also have authority for such things as creating budgets and generating revenue, overseeing police and healthcare, as well as establishing educational authority, if they so desire.”
Mr. Ahmed Zia Massoud, Chairman, National Front
General Abdul Rashid Dostum, Leader, National Islamic Movement of Afghanistan
Haji Mohammad Mohaqiq, Leader, People´s Unity Party of Afghanistan
Mr. Amrullah Saleh, Former Director, Afghan National Security Directorate
Representative Dana Rohrabacher (R-California)
Representative Loretta Sanchez (D-California)
Represenative Louie Gohmert (R-Texas)
Representative Steve King (R-Iowa)
Congressman Louie Gohmert is the Vice Chair of the Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security. Prior to being elected to serve in Congress, Louie was elected to three terms as District Judge in Smith County, Texas. He also served as Chief Justice of Texas'12th Court of Appeals.Comment
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The reason for this reference?Originally posted by Toramana View Post
As noted in his latest article:
". Pluralism today is challenged by the second rise of the Taliban and Afghan President Hamid Karzai's accommodating stance towards them. The Taliban's repression and brutality alienates many Afghans. The question is what, apart from ethnic politics and a sense of kinship, causes Karzai to try to compromise with them."
And he also fibs (lies) severely when he is saying that they easily without any or very little support defeated the Taliban in round 1 during November 2001. If such were the case it would be the most retarded history ever in that he is making Mossoud out to be an idiot. What I mean is that he is implying that all those years the Panjshiris were fighting the Taliban and confined to their little nook of the country, that they were merely just sitting around on their thumbs for 10 years and bumbeling around until November 2001. This would also directly contradict Rumsfeld's own accounts of aid and assistence and massive aerial bombardment.
He doesnt want reconcilation - he wants Nonconciliation and a sustained power base and choke hold."2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quoteComment
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so thats why karzai denied entry to Rep. Rohrabacher. I was wondering about that.
http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=wo_t2#...intv-part2.cnnComment
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Yep.Originally posted by khushal View Post"2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quoteComment
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i call people like saleh kiterunners , they preach ethnic hate and spit on afghans and afghanistan , same category like abdullah abdullah , kanuni and the rest , but even among the samte shamal he is just like latif pedram , ex parchami turned neo facists . he will do everthing for the americans and iranians and russians and chinese , just to kill pashtuns ....
people like him should be executed...Comment
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i people minded like him will prefer an pakistani client state as long they have their personal share in it !!!!
yesterday they screamed islam , afterwards tajikism , to democracy , and tomorrow again islam .
both pakis and people like this fear an independent pashtun dominated afghan state which seeks its own interessts , actually every neighbouring country is not interessted in an independent afghan state , they didnt forget history ....Comment
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The stance of the ex-Shura-e Nezar leaders has always been crystal clear.
Saleh is not saying something new. There are videos of them openly focusing on their anti-Pashtunism.
But what he said about the division within the Pashtun nation is correct.
He and others before him, specially Pashtun intellectuals, have always stressed out that there is a secular/non-secular split inside the Pashtun nation and different regional and international powers are misusing the sentiments of Pashtuns to push their own agenda.The only constant is change.Comment
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What is truly amazing that when Karzai was undergoing intense negotiations about the future makeup of his nation's relationship with the United States, Saleh and the “opposition” choose THIS time to make their controversial political demands heard through American government channels rather than their own shrinking constituencies. With their antics playing out so clearly, we'd be fools not to wonder if they've either knowingly or unknowingly worked in concert with the Americans in forcing Karzai to shut up and sign away in haste. The evidence for the effect they've had on Karzia is clearly reflected in the way he linked up the signing of the agreement with his ability to maintain the centrality of the Afghan government. Afghans would be fools to have themselves believe that this was all unrelated coincidences. The result---- Americans have effectively secured themselves a deal whereby they can stay on in Afghanistan indefinitely, while reducing their overall support for their Afghan assets to little more than tokenism. The military bases they’ve been developing for themselves will be easily defendable, for they are largely impenetrable. Some estimate that they may even withstand a nuclear holocaust. In other words, Afghans can go on fighting one another for another century, but the American bases may remain. This serves their strategic use of Afghanistan’s location for their own regional benefits indefinitely. It is after all the dawn of the Asian century that will continue to see the concentration of the world’s wealth shift eastwards, while Europe perhaps withers to irrelevance.Originally posted by Mostafa1919 View Post
At the same time… we Afghans need to realize Pakistan and their lapdog’s continuing deception …they have their own fish to fry with Saleh and his likes…take for example Abdal the talking mule… after Ahmed Shah Massoud had piss.ed into the pot of salt that Pakistan once gave him, Abdal is the busiest licking it clean here! We Afghans have to be smart as a nation and understand that until Pakistan burns in flames in the future, we will have to help ourselves by staying on guard against all of their negative efforts at destroying our nation. For us Afghans – unless we belt up - our regional enemies will keep trying to get the Americans out and if only through their wild proxies at great cost to innocent lives. However, the Americans will remain and if god forbids violence does escalate to 1990’s proportions, any winner from that war would be forced to work out a deal with the US, just as pragmatic Afghan leaders with real constituencies behind them had to make do with the ever-present British in India. For all genuine Afghan nationalists out there, a strategic direction for them ought to be apparent by now. For Pakistani or Iranian proxies out there, I believe that even if they were to transform themselves into an army for the advocacy of Christianity in Afghanistan, they will NEVER be leaders as there will always be Afghans and Americans opposing them.
As for as Saleh…we need to understand his satiation…. for a bus is charging ahead and the Americans are about to throw him under it…they will not save him from any future local insurgency. In fact, they may even covertly facilitate it as they did in Vietnam.ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه
چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه
سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه
چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه
سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه
ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو
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Thank you Azmal, Lord of the Farsibaan; I was hoping you would surface with this posting from under your homosexual bunker where you service Saleh like a hermaphrodite sl-ut. Do you have those names yet? Of the panjabi slave Telai hunkered down with to make the waste that is you? Interesting that you consistently reappear just in time to defend your pimp Saleh. Maybe in a few generations you grand grand daughter Azmalia jr jr jr can talk about (lie about) being a Salehzai or should we say saleh Dokht you sorry son of a b-itch. I am going to enjoy round 3! Welcome back. Each sting will reverberate to that telai baba of yours
Originally posted by Azmal View Post"2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quoteComment
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And you dumb sh-it your argument makes zero sense. Who has the guns? Who was armed to raid Kabul in 2001? Don't sit here and ride Saleh's crotch for all to see like some farsibaan jiggalo. Your argument and the Israeli "under the bus argument" are exact equals. Saleh is riding the bus you moron. What bus is he being thrown under? The only bus he is worried about is when tens of thousands of Pashtuns reconcile with Karzai (in the same paradigm as the fear of the 'right of return'). He has been riding the bus all these years and now you are here as his dignitary to tell us how smart he was and how crafty he was and how we have to sympathize with this trash because its all the Americans? The same Americans that SOB went to for his goals? Did Rohrbacher find him or did he find Rohrbacher. Get back into your northern ****-hole.Originally posted by Azmal View Post"2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quoteComment
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Most of the analysis on Saleh are right here by Barakzai. However, Slaeh is giving Karzai too much credit for his disposition towards reconciliation with the Taliban as if it arises out of purely Pashtun affinity. Given the nature of the game, the one which Saleh plays it nice, Karzai stands pathetic before his ethnic members and Pashtuns have not fared well at all. In fact it would not have made much difference even if Saleh was to be the president in many respects.
On the other hand Saleh is a self-contradicting moron objecting to the politics in Afghanistan as being not "Pan-Afghanism", he even goes as far as even calling it Pashtun-centric, and even terming political compromises and accommodations as politics of patronage etc. So what was he exactly when he was serving in Karzai's government, and why did he not complain or object once then? He instead used to praise Karzai as if he was his god-father. He is an opportunistic goon as the rest of the NA.
He can shove this piece of trash article up his Panjsheri bottom.Last edited by ComradePashtun; 06-27-2012, 05:43 PM.Comment
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He says that the problem in Afghanistan basically stems from that Pashtuns are divided in the two countries Afghanistan and Pakistan, he swivels at the Pashtuns in Pakistan and the politics there.... but then he doesn't really explain how and why. He also wants "Pan-Afghanism" without making any recommendations on how to achieve that what meet his Pansheri standards?
It basically goes to nothing more than his fear of Taliban reconciling with the government and Pashtuns being in peace among themselves. He paints it as if Karzai is reconciling with Taliban as if he is doing it out ethnicity and ethnic primacy. Saleh was one of the first politicians who have said it on record that Karzai harbors no ethnic bias or prejudice.
While I will leave out the little irrelevant story, but Saleh getting sacked or sidelined coinincides much with the a shift in Washington's attitude towards Taliban in its overall strategy in Afghanistan. This cannot be overlooked. It was about time that they pursued different engagement with the Taliban. Amrullah Sleh was not fit for that purpose due his fixation that Taliban should only have been fought - from his vantage point some one else fights his battle which otherwise he could lose if left to its own deviseComment
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He talks complete shyte and his observation is one-sided. As if Dostum and Mohaqiq etc. are for proper democratic nationalist politics. What Karzai does with them meets the standards here. Judge it by the Afghan standards, and modicum of stability that exists and that politics are at play in what ever form is pluses. The Afghan polity has been improving overall and taking a better shape. Demagogic politicians of his and Dostum's likes are becoming irrelevant as people are more aware and politically mature.
Reconciliation and restoration of peace is the strongest desire of all Afghan people, he better learn how to live with it best.Comment
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