What do Pakistani Pashtuns mean when they say Lar aw bar yaw Pakhtun

[haviZsultan]

This post is to answer this comment by shadowgovernor on the thread Feelings of the proud Pakistani Pashtun by Arooj Khan where she wrote a beautiful poem on Pakistani Pashtuns. I did type a response before but I assume it was in the wrong section so it was deleted:

because Pukhtane ive talked to and seen from pukhtunkhwa and many singers,politicians etc claiming lar aw bar.
so i dont know if you can put all Pukhtane of pukhtunkhwa in the "pakistani pashtun" basket.
i dont really care what you call yourself and i think it is only one's own choice to know his identity or not ,to know his/her history or not,and i dont hate pakistanis i just dislike the way the gov.army is treating the people,especially in pukhtunkhwa.

for example : Musharaf bangash sings about loy Afghanistan constantly ,so does haroon bacha and many more,does that make them traitors in your eyes?

This opinion is very common among the Afghans. However the thing is for Pakistani Pashtuns and Afghan Pashtuns lar aw bar yaw Pashtun holds a totally different meaning.

For the Afghans this means that the lands of the lar Pashtuns belong to Afghanistan and are its property (even though their king Rehman Khan threw them to the British) and Pakistan should be broken up to bits to take those lands. However for the Pakistani Pashtun it means unity in terms of promotion of culture and language and love for each other due to shared history.

Even I say lar aw bar yaw Pashtun. It means I want unity in terms of promoting Pashtun culture and language because we share the same history and doing so together can strengthen Pashtuns. Do I mean I want Pakistan to be destroyed or I want Afghans to grab our lands?

Shadow mentioned Musharaf Bangash and his supposed "disloyalty" to Pakistan by claiming lar aw bar. Lets analyze a video of him.

MUSHARRAF BANGASH'S PASHTO NEW SONG (OFFICIAL VIDEO with ENGLISH Subtitles) - YouTube

Now if you notice he constantly displays patriotic behavior in the video.

At 1:38 in this video the Pakistani flag stands high as proclamation of the Pashtuns everlasting loyalty to Pakistan. If he doesn't believe in Pakistan by saying lar aw bar why have the Pakistani flag in one of his videos?

Then at 2:42 he says Jagli shamli di pa watan sarwar kowi (meaning Pashtuns have honour and die for their motherland)... now Afghans would mistake this as united Pashtunistan... however in reality he shows Pakistani Pashtun lashkars. We all know how the lashkars fought the Indians in 48, 65 and even 99 wars. Even now they stand against the Taliban. So what is he pointing at here- Pashtuns sacrifice for Pakistan (which only an idiot can deny) or something else.

Finally at 5:50 the Pakistani flag appears again on the top of a Pakistani truck drivers truck. Then prays for Pashtun unity. So the question is shouldn't Pashtun unity mean we respect each others countries and aspirations too?

For further proof do check the song Pyare Pakistan by Zeek Afridi a National song by a Pakistani Pashtun.

Also do check a song called Da Pakhtunistan de da Pakhtunistan by Musharraf Bangash. It may seem to the Afghan he is talking about Afghans grabbing Pakistani Pashtuns lands but for once do check out what he says 5:06. Our cries of lar aw bar yaw Pashtun or our idea of Pashtunistan only extends till Pashtun unity, it does not stem from hatred for Pakistan or the wish for it to disappear.

I am working on an article which will prove what most Pashtuns think of this. One person already told he views Pashtunistan as a concept that Pashtuns on either side are one and united. It just sounds cool and people say it but it never means they want division of the country.

It doesn't mean physically dividing from Pakistan.

[Admin Khan]

Replace the "What do Pakistani Pashtuns" with "What does I, HavizSultan mean".

With due respect, no matter how hard one attempts, no one can come in between the inseparable bonds of Afghans(Pashtuns). Ground realities, History, Culture(There is no such thing as a "Pakistani" in Pashtun history/culture, along with their domicles(where the ethnic group is listed as Afghan, by the Pakistani government revenue records) disagree with every single word you wrote. ANP alone claims Lar aw Bar means we are all one Afghan(evidence upon request), and their opposition to a fence was a big blow to Islamabad, who was hoping to break that bond. That's enough to debunk the entire thread. Of course a few military brainwashed Pakistanis might defy the odds; but if you interview or interact with ordinary Pashtuns, the truth couldn't be any further than what you have extrapolated thus far.

My breakfast is waiting for me, best.

[Admin Khan]

Pull out your sword and slay any one,
That says Pashton and Afghan are not one.

Arabs know this and so do Romans,
Afghans are Pashtons, Pashtons are Afghans.[/B]
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By Khushal Khan Khatek

Khushal Baba of Pashtunkhwa predicted such creatures will arise that will attempt to break the bondage, his unparalleled response is just amazing. Cognitive science proves that if you brainwash a kid, he will follow what he has been taught, which can range from things like loving Israel or loving a failed state like Pakistan. So I won't disagree that a few brainwashed children, that happen to be Pashtun exist on both sides of the line. But to claim the meaning of Lar aw bar changed is just ludacris, and a psychological attempt to feel better about the situation, especially given how lovey-dovey the Punjabi dominated Rawalpindi/Islamabad has been to us Pashtun(Think Drone attacks on innocent Pukhtuns, at the expense of a few F16s and Benjamins).


Once you kidnap Musharaf Bangash, I wouldn't be surprised if he puts up a few flags of the Banana republic for his safety. Wink, wink. Tsk, tsk. Your entire post, once again, holds no water given what happened to poor Musharaf sahab, at the expense of making patriotic songs like;

Musharaf Bangash !! Da Zamong Watan Afghanistan De - YouTube

Enjoy the song.

And please Pakistanis, try not to kidnap him again. Millions of his kinds, including Rahim Shah exist. This decoration that you at times see from other Pashtun artists is pressure, and due to duress since they don't want what happened to Bangash sahab to repeat.

[Admin Khan]

This is the same dude that got kidnapped after that watan afghanistan song right?

Adam Yusufzai from the gorgeous Swat,

You don't talk much, but your one-liners sure do hurt.

You officially became an Afghan in his eyes now,(not that it's surprising, given that almost ALL Yusufzais immigrated from Kandahar, along with other tribes that hail from other provinces of modern day Afghanistan upon some minor research conducted, something brainwashed military driven humans fail to realize, or recognize). You know what's hilarious? Even that language known as Pashto is called 'Afghani' by some Europeans.

[pashtun_rise]

Well...i myself think that loy pashtunistan should be made provided that no foreigner intervention shuold be there...that includes indians,hazaras,iranians,NATO,US n coalition forces....otherwise we are better to be in pakistan if afghans are trying to welcome indians.

[haviZsultan]

I don't know what is wrong with the Afghans. Just denial... total refusal to

Okay fine believe what you want. The only time you will realize what Lar Pashtuns actually want will be when you send your forces here to "unite us" and are sent running back across the border the same way the Afghans who attacked Dir were today.

Afghan Passion
Caravans of silk, beautiful lads, and sharp swords,
Are what a brave Afghan with pride hoards

When the swords of Afghans glitter,
The caravan and its merchandise shiver.

The camels moan and the riders groan,
As they near Khybar[1] with their spirits blown.

Caravans and merchants whine and weep,
When onto the Pass mighty Pashtons leap.

If a Pashton extracts no tolls from a trader,
His tribe considers him a sellout traitor.

The Arab boys and the Frang[2] women,
Crave the strength of Pashton men.

From Hindustan[3] to the distant west,
Afghans have put all to this test.

O son one word I have for thee,
Fear no one and no one you flee.

Pull out your sword and slay any one,
That says Pashton and Afghan are not one.

Arabs know this and so do Romans,
Afghans are Pashtons, Pashtons are Afghans.

By Khushal Khan Khatek

We love Khushal Khan Khattak but people don't understand this in its proper context. Its like the jews picking out phrases from the Quran and saying haha look your Quran is evil and u r bloodthirsty... same way you pulled out something that does not even apply now.

If you look at the poem you will notice Khushal praising Pashtun raiders. Only a person out of his mind in the current age and time would like to build a reputation of Pashtuns as raiders and looters instead of peaceful citizens with thousands of years of culture especially when the west and farsiwan do so much propaganda against them. Please at least look at the time and age!

The poem just holds sentimental value and came at a time the Mughals imposed vast taxes on the Pashtun areas they controlled. In 1650 (during Khushal Khans time) Mughals controlled Pakhtunkhwa. They treated the areas as a colony and Pashtuns grew frustrated with their rule. As a result Khushal Khan Baba said those words.



They don't apply in their literal sense now. And the qoute clearly means ONLY Pashtuns are supposed to be Afghans. Afghanistan has Tajiks Hazara and Uzbek today who they also call Afghan.

If Khushal Khan Baba actually knew how the bar Pashtuns had thrown away by the lar Pashtuns just to protect their lands from invasion from the British he would have taken his sword out and slain Abdur Rehman Khan.

And in the 21st century their needs to be serious division between the words Afghan and Pashtun. If all Afghans were Pashtons then there wouldn't be any Tajiks, Hazara or Uzbek in Afghanistan. And don't tell me you are a traitor by saying they are not one. Initially when I came to the site I was also saying they were one but how can they be one when it has been drilled into the Afghans mind that a Pashtun cannot be a Pakistani at all.

Afghans are fueling this division by not respecting us, our country and our choice to be Pakistani.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Then at 2:42 he says Jagli shamli di pa watan sarwar kowi (meaning Pashtuns have honour and die for their motherland)... .

You are such a phony; that sentence doesn't mean anything that you're rendering.

the verse means tails of the turbans are raised it is done ontop of the head of our country


since when do Pakistani leaders wear Pashtun turbans? ....You sir are a complete nitwit ....and I'm saying this as someone who has NO interest of getting back Northern Pakistan. You can keep them, but your intellectual dishonesty is pathetic.


You are why people HATE Pakistan, you use Islam to justify your cause but THEN want secularism; you claim to understand what Pashtuns are saying BUT interpret it with a Pakistani spin which wouldn't work based on what's being said.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I don't know what is wrong with the Afghans. Just denial... total refusal to

.

Or just disgust over your intellectual dishonesty and how you'll pervert and *******ize things

[Admin Khan]

Intellectual dishonesty sure has reached some new heights.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Well...i myself think that loy pashtunistan should be made provided that no foreigner intervention shuold be there...that includes indians,hazaras,iranians,NATO,US n coalition forces....otherwise we are better to be in pakistan if afghans are trying to welcome indians.

Indians are an advanced and educated country; wo are rising in the world; Pakistan is a financially incompetent, economically unviable hell hole

By all means stay with Pakistan , we don't want you, you stopped being Afghans in our eyes when you started adding "ji ...ahan ji" to every other sentence.

[din]

haviz
ka de pashton naray wahey no pa pashtu ke bah khabary wako,manana.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

Personally, I only care for Southern Pashtunkhwa, e.g. Quetta, Zhob, Kandahar, Lakki and Waziristan along with Loya Paktia, which includes Paktia, Paktika, Kurram, (parts of) Ghazni, Khost, (parts of) Logar and (parts of) Zabul.

But still, lar aw bar yaw Afghan.

[haviZsultan]

You are such a phony; that sentence doesn't mean anything that you're rendering.

the verse means tails of the turbans are raised it is done ontop of the head of our country


since when do Pakistani leaders wear Pashtun turbans? ....You sir are a complete nitwit ....and I'm saying this as someone who has NO interest of getting back Northern Pakistan. You can keep them, but your intellectual dishonesty is pathetic.


You are why people HATE Pakistan, you use Islam to justify your cause but THEN want secularism; you claim to understand what Pashtuns are saying BUT interpret it with a Pakistani spin which wouldn't work based on what's being said.

I mistook the comment to mean their turbans are high or proudly resting on their heads which would translate into they have honor...

Pakistani Pashtuns wear those turbans.

My Pashto is weak. I have said this before. I also said I may be from a weak Pashtun background or may have become attracted to Pashtun culture and adopted it as my own. I will tell all when my book is out...

If you watch the video at that point you will see Lashkaris. Why show lashkaris. Why not show Afghan army for that matter? You can also not reply about the Pakistani flag. Why is the pointless Pakistani flag around in a song about Pashtuns?

And again Islam and secularism are a totally different topic. I believe the two are inter-related and seek to disprove the belief that secularism and Islam are two differing concepts, something promoted by people like Zia Ul Haq. To understand my ideas you have to believe that Islam and secularism are not incompatible, something which people in our region have been taught. Anyway that is an entirely different debate. What cause have I justified using Islam? lol.

[pashtun_rise]

Indians are an advanced and educated country; wo are rising in the world; Pakistan is a financially incompetent, economically unviable hell hole

By all means stay with Pakistan , we don't want you, you stopped being Afghans in our eyes when you started adding "ji ...ahan ji" to every other sentence.

U seem to be pro indian...if i am pro pakistani...i ve a reason....m given opportunities in pak regarding practicing free islam,education,freedom etc.Why are u pro indian?

[Admin Khan]

I mistook the comment to mean their turbans are high or proudly resting on their heads which would translate into they have honor...

Pakistani Pashtuns wear those turbans.

My Pashto is weak. I have said this before. I also said I may be from a weak Pashtun background or may have become attracted to Pashtun culture and adopted it as my own. I will tell all when my book is out...

If you watch the video at that point you will see Lashkaris. Why show lashkaris. Why not show Afghan army for that matter? You can also not reply about the Pakistani flag. Why is the pointless Pakistani flag around in a song about Pashtuns?

And again Islam and secularism are a totally different topic. I believe the two are inter-related and seek to disprove the belief that secularism and Islam are two differing concepts, something promoted by people like Zia Ul Haq. To understand my ideas you have to believe that Islam and secularism are not incompatible, something which people in our region have been taught. Anyway that is an entirely different debate. What cause have I justified using Islam? lol.

What part in being kidnapped in my post confused you? Or duress for that matter? If you kidnap someone, and threaten him, you can even expect the Israeli flag next time. All in all, it doesn't mean nothing, don't fall into all the hoopla.