22 dead in Kabul hotel attack

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Using a mutually exclusive situation to explain another situation without ample evidence is an intellectually dishonest tactic; what happens in the "Irish Club" is not tantamount to what happens in Spogmai club since Spogmai is clearly NOT Irish but rather distinctly Afghan, and thus the same motivations associated with their patrons and employees do not translate.

You are arguing not on evidence but WEAK analogy.

Wrong my colleague. Logic definitions are a stupid way to deny ground level responses in the same city in which an event happened. If liquor flowed there, if the wealthy emigre elites conducted business there, local sensibilities could very well have been offended. Intellectually dishonest is to simply stand your ground on a belief because you want it to be true (i.e. the Taliban are all evil and Karzai is all good or the US is all bad).

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I dont calculate like you single depressed weirdo.

If I am wrong, I am wrong...

I see when you are proven wrong, you stick to your guns LOL to not be pathetic ...what a loser.

idiot

Then don't make comments about things you don't know about as if you know them. Several members Myself, The Admin and even your Taliban supporting colleagues all corroborate that your statement was WRONG.

The only idiot here is you; you just got humbled hardcore.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Wrong my colleague. Logic definitions are a stupid way to deny ground level responses in the same city in which an event happened. If liquor flowed there, if the wealthy emigre elites conducted business there, local sensibilities could very well have been offended. Intellectually dishonest is to simply stand your ground on a belief because you want it to be true (i.e. the Taliban are all evil and Karzai is all good or the US is all bad).

Still a weak analogy because you're assuming what happens in the Irish club happens in Spogmai club on nothing more than rumor.

[PashtunShinwari45]

or a Paki

Or a bald yemini who supports AQ but is running scared and farting out words to cover trail of extremism

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Still a weak analogy because you're assuming what happens in the Irish club happens in Spogmai club on nothing more than rumor.

I agree its a sample size of 1. Still begs the question of how they got this view. The MSNBC article indicates that gunmen were demanding to find out where the pimps where and where the liquor was stored. Who gave them this info? There are, as i said a number of hotspots and they chose this one.

[Shah-i-Kot]

In the last 2 years, the number of Tajiks among Taliban increased dramatically. As a matter of fact, as far as I know, there were never so many Tajiks among Taliban.

The Taliban's reach has spread to the North due to mostly the injustice and criminality existing there. A Western news source (The Daily Beast) did note that. For example, the attacks that took place at the diplomatic enclave in September were done by Tajiks.

Anyways, this is off topic.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I agree its a sample size of 1. Still begs the question of how they got this view. The MSNBC article indicates that gunmen were demanding to find out where the pimps where and where the liquor was stored. Who gave them this info? There are, as i said a number of hotspots and they chose this one.

Did they get this view, or is it just an excuse?

Since you like to apply totally divergent situations and find their underpinning correlation

there is a video which I posted before of Taliban shooting two unarmed women who they lured into vehicle , while they were sitting in vehicle. The commentator, a Talib said the two women were killed for prostitution.


The common thread between that incident and this ....is that the Taliban have not shown one shred of evidence , not video surveiilance, not forensic data....not photographs NOTHING...which supports their actions in ether case.

it appears the common thread and context parallels here is that the Taliban just like inventing an excuse for targeting civilians as an intimidation tactic.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

The Taliban's reach has spread to the North due to mostly the injustice and criminality existing there. A Western news source (The Daily Beast) did note that. For example, the attacks that took place at the diplomatic enclave in September were done by Tajiks.

Anyways, this is off topic.

and now you admit that Taliban and Pashtun culture are not analogous.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Or a bald yemini who supports AQ but is running scared and farting out words to cover trail of extremism

Admin sent you a warning; you should check your PM's stop derailing threads

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

The Taliban's reach has spread to the North due to mostly the injustice and criminality existing there. A Western news source (The Daily Beast) did note that. For example, the attacks that took place at the diplomatic enclave in September were done by Tajiks.

Anyways, this is off topic.

There was a guy from Shamali who was cheated off his money. He lost over 100.000 dollars. And he even got a criminal investigation against him so that he wouldn't cause trouble.

He went from being a member of Jamyate Islami to a member of Taliban. He was robbed off his money by his own people.

[Shah-i-Kot]

Then don't make comments about things you don't know about as if you know them. Several members Myself, The Admin and even your Taliban supporting colleagues all corroborate that your statement was WRONG.

The only idiot here is you; you just got humbled hardcore.

Class act you are indeed,

you get disproven time and time and again and can never handle it so you keeps on going in circles in stupid arguments.

You are the most uninformed. Worst, you never want to admit it.

Northern Alliance is still a predominantly non-Pasthun grouping. I dont know what your getting all excited about.

I wasnt aware of Pashtuns being a part of the NA to the extent that Khorasani revealed. Even now, I dont count Hekmatyar's back and forth dancing with different groups. I thought Sayaf was still largely independent. Keep in mind both these people are opportunists.

I do not know much about the multiple factions of the civil war. Unlike you, I admit it.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Did they get this view, or is it just an excuse?

Since you like to apply totally divergent situations and find their underpinning correlation

there is a video which I posted before of Taliban shooting two unarmed women who they lured into vehicle , while they were sitting in vehicle. The commentator, a Talib said the two women were killed for prostitution.


The common thread between that incident and this ....is that the Taliban have not shown one shred of evidence , not video surveiilance, not forensic data....not photographs NOTHING...which supports their actions in ether case.

it appears the common thread and context parallels here is that the Taliban just like inventing an excuse for targeting civilians as an intimidation tactic.

Divergent events can have a common basis. A stroke and a heart attack for instance have a similar basis (in fact a stroke can be called a brain attack). So once again, let me stress, as you seem not to have read what I wrote: I am not saying that Irish Club and the Spozhmai are the same place or have the same workers or even have the same motto or the same location or the same heritage or the same owner.

My point is to show that the workers themselves being interviewed, and the owner of teh plot of land said that Taliban or not, the locals of Kabul were extremely conservative and that he tried to basically bribe a local mullah just to get the place to not get attacked. If such is the case: my statement was, if you go back and read what I wrote, that the locals in Kabul may not see this through the same eyes as those viewing CNN and BBC reports. The Afghan official mentioned, who put out a ruling on Cable TV and the Irish pub (not a member of teh Taliban) may not even bat an eye lash or shed a tear. He may see it as two groups of people he doesnt like destroying each other.

Until I see polls in Kabul or hard data, I refuse to accept the notion that folks in Kabul see the incident as negative, positive, or in between. For all we know they may not even associate it with the Taliban and merely view it as another day in which the ISI or foreigners of some brand created a disturbance in Kabul.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Class act you are indeed,

you get disproven time and time and again and can never handle it so you keeps on going in circles in stupid arguments.

You are the most uninformed. Worst, you never want to admit it.

Northern Alliance is still a predominantly non-Pasthun grouping. I dont know what your getting all excited about.

I wasnt aware of Pashtuns being a part of the NA to the extent that Khorasani revealed. Even now, I dont count Hekmatyar's back and forth dancing with different groups. I thought Sayaf was still largely independent.

I do not know much about the multiple factions of the civil war. Unlike you, I admit it.

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Yes I get disproven; yet you've just been exposed as a clueless dimwit, while my statements were corroborated by others who have been to Afghanistan, please save yourself whatever delusion of self respect you thought you had.

You aren't aware of anything, you speak as if what applies for Pakistani Nationals applies for what happens in Afghanistan.

now hush,

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Divergent events can have a common basis. A stroke and a heart attack for instance have a similar basis (in fact a stroke can be called a brain attack). So once again, let me stress, as you seem not to have read what I wrote: I am not saying that Irish Club and the Spozhmai are the same place or have the same workers or even have the same motto or the same location or the same heritage or the same owner.

My point is to show that the workers themselves being interviewed, and the owner of teh plot of land said that Taliban or not, the locals of Kabul were extremely conservative and that he tried to basically bribe a local mullah just to get the place to not get attacked. If such is the case: my statement was, if you go back and read what I wrote, that the locals in Kabul may not see this through the same eyes as those viewing CNN and BBC reports. The Afghan official mentioned, who put out a ruling on Cable TV and the Irish pub (not a member of teh Taliban) may not even bat an eye lash or shed a tear. He may see it as two groups of people he doesnt like destroying each other.

Until I see polls in Kabul or hard data, I refuse to accept the notion that folks in Kabul see the incident as negative, positive, or in between. For all we know they may not even associate it with the Taliban and merely view it as another day in which the ISI or foreigners of some brand created a disturbance in Kabul.

That's the point; they could..but they also could not. Your attempt at trying to use that situation was a poor platform to work from.

The analogy of physiological events which can be traced in an anatomical system; is not the same mechanism which how sociopolitical events happen.

This issue that the natives themselves approve of the act is nothing more than a narrative.

[Admin Khan]

Quit trying so hard to join cool club. Calling him paki means kettle to pot communication!

Seems like you ignored my polite warning. When you decide to grow up; feel free to join again.