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    When it comes to drone strikes by the US on targets inside Pakistan, the clamour of divisive debate never seems to die down. However, what is completely missing from this discussion — which seems to focus exclusively on the civilian casualties caused by drone strikes and their purported illegality — is the question of their strategic efficacy. We ought to, for a change, ask whether drone strikes work effectively in countering insurgency and in breaking, as it were, al Qaeda’s back.
    The truth is that drone strikes will not work in Pakistan’s case. The use of air power is especially problematic because the enemy is not a government with visible centres of power and institutions, but in fact, a highly elusive one. Even though drones come with the assuring tagline of ‘high precision’ and ‘smart’ weapons, there is no guarantee that they will precisely target only militants. Civilian casualties, a recurrent consequence of drone strikes, are strategically problematic because they may cause the local population to feel considerable resentment towards the party that is sending the drones and will most likely increase sympathy among the locals for the militants. Israel has often deliberately used air power on Palestinian civilians to pressurise them into relinquishing support for Hamas, but this has hardly ever worked and only served to strengthen local support for Hamas. So America should ask itself whether this is something that it is willing to accept given that drone strikes inevitably lead to civilian deaths.
    America has been using drones as a tool of combat in Pakistan since 2004 but the fact of the matter is that this has still not achieved its intended policy objective of destroying militancy by decapitating its leadership and annihilating its human and military resources. It’s clear that snipping off the monster’s head will not automatically spell its death. Killing high-value targets like Baitullah Mehsud or the recent death of Abu Yahya al Libbi is unlikely to extinguish the militant movement, with a successor taking their place. And even though the status of Behtullah’s successor, Hakimullah Mehsud, is unknown at the moment — since there have been several rumours of his death in drone strikes — the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan is very much alive and kicking.
    The fact is that Pakistan’s northwestern region is not the only place in the country that is plagued with militancy. So to selectively target hotspots where militants and their hideouts are to be found in Fata is to erroneously consider them as a kind of a ‘non-renewable resource’, which cannot be replenished by the network of well-equipped militants, spreading from Helmand province in Afghanistan to Punjab in Pakistan. This, in fact, raises an alarming question: Will America actually start targeting other parts of Pakistan if bombing select places in Fata does not yield speedy results?
    A far more effective strategy to eradicate militancy would be to try and dry up its cause. The US should break its financial backbone by targeting the opium trade in Afghanistan and disrupting the flow of private financing, which potentially implicates its own allies like Saudi Arabia. While Washington has made some progress in tackling the opium trade in Afghanistan, tracking and clamping down on the global financial network that finances the militants has remained an elusive goal.
    Thus, drone strikes, at least on their own are a strategic tactic that doesn’t seem to work, contrary to what the Obama administration would have us believe. Exertion of air power has hardly ever been the sole guarantor of success in war. However, when it comes to dealing with militancy in Pakistan, which now affects the entire country, drone strikes along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border can actually prove to be counterproductive. Thus, even though the US has stepped up its aerial attacks in Pakistan, it can hope to ‘win’ nothing more than worse relations with its ally and further loathing by a Pakistani population that is already against the US foreign policy.
    Published in The Express Tribune, June 11th, 2012.


  • #2
    I found the comment below interesting.

    "i belong to Swat valley, and the woes and miseries we suffered during insurgency are not that easy to explain, we the Swatis so wished that drones should come and give us relief from those stone age barbarians as our own security forces had left us on the mercy of those animals , and i believe the people belonging to Waziristan wont mind it if a drone comes and kill some of these animals.
    i wonder where do these writers go when Taliban killed more than 700 tribal elders, leave aside the rest they killed"

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Toramana View Post
      I found the comment below interesting.

      "i belong to Swat valley, and the woes and miseries we suffered during insurgency are not that easy to explain, we the Swatis so wished that drones should come and give us relief from those stone age barbarians as our own security forces had left us on the mercy of those animals , and i believe the people belonging to Waziristan wont mind it if a drone comes and kill some of these animals.
      i wonder where do these writers go when Taliban killed more than 700 tribal elders, leave aside the rest they killed"

      you liar. you wouldn't even last a day in Swat among locals. Swatis supported the Taliban. They still do.
      Originally posted by Firdousi
      Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
        you liar. you wouldn't even last a day in Swat among locals. Swatis supported the Taliban. They still do.
        They may have in the beginning, but no self respecting Swati supports the Taliban

        If our "Talibs" werent illiterate animals who disgrace Islam, this wouldnt be the case

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Toramana View Post
          I found the comment below interesting.

          "i belong to Swat valley, and the woes and miseries we suffered during insurgency are not that easy to explain, we the Swatis so wished that drones should come and give us relief from those stone age barbarians as our own security forces had left us on the mercy of those animals , and i believe the people belonging to Waziristan wont mind it if a drone comes and kill some of these animals.
          i wonder where do these writers go when Taliban killed more than 700 tribal elders, leave aside the rest they killed"
          You liar you are not from swat we know you.
          Last edited by Friend; 06-12-2012, 05:51 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by KGODB View Post
            They may have in the beginning, but no self respecting Swati supports the Taliban

            If our "Talibs" werent illiterate animals who disgrace Islam, this wouldnt be the case
            Have you ever been to swat after the operation and have asked the common man and not the ANP and other elite thugs ?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Friend View Post
              Have you ever been to swat after the operation and have asked the common man and not the ANP and other elite thugs ?
              Have you? And if you have, please provide your sources and documentation.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by KGODB View Post
                Have you? And if you have, please provide your sources and documentation.
                What documents are you talking about ? Do you expect me or any other person to go there and interview the common people of swat and give it to any newspaper or magezine in the presence of brutal jahil zalim army and the thug ANP govt ?
                This is not possible right now my dear. But if you personally go and observe the situation you will clearly see that people feel insecure in the presence of army and like taliban. Again i am talking on behalf of the common 80% people of swat and not the Anp thugs.
                Last edited by Friend; 06-12-2012, 08:09 PM.

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                • #9
                  TTP (tehrik e taliban pakistan) in our area has brought nothing but destruction.They leave letters in every house in tribal areas where its advised every house owner to bring out the virgin girls or even widows etc left...to us...n that they ll marry them.People did as advised.Later on it was found out that those girls n women were gang rapped day n night.Kids were kidnapped by them.They banned many modern things like TV...Tv is not only used for entertainment but for news etc.They introduced many unislamic things.Besides...they kidnapped rich pashtuns day n night n left them dead on roads n gutters when not paid.The ransom they usually asked ranged from lakhs to crores.

                  So dear brothers and sisters...Dont ever think of taliban as humans even.In my own village...when locals found out some indian books..n some intelligent equipments...they attacked those taliban..they were i think 2 in number...they were uncircumcised...locals demanded for explanation.The so called leader of TTP of village killed those 2 for fear that they wd b attacked n they l lose support of ppl.Nowadays...the situation is even more worse...TTP is killing anyone who comes in their way.They r mere a proxy...not freedom fighters.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                    you liar. you wouldn't even last a day in Swat among locals. Swatis supported the Taliban. They still do.
                    Hmm why are all mullahs so detached from reality?
                    "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

                    "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Levanaye Zalmaye View Post
                      Hmm why are all mullahs so detached from reality?
                      Heyy...we r also mullahs...not all mullahs r same.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by shadowgoverner
                        actually it is true Pashtuns will support pashtuns and muslims.
                        one thing is true that no sane pashtun will be leninist dog.
                        So the foul-mouthed mullah barks but calls me a dog...

                        governor* (yeah, "governor" is spelled with an "o"), it is a known fact that the Socialist movement has always been for the benefit of the most wretched and downtrodden of society and that is why it always originates from them. On the other hand, political mullahs are known to be greedy to such an extent that in Pashtun society, they are known as halwa-khor. Socialist principles are human-serving whereas the "principles" of your political mullahs exist only to enrich them at the expense of the common Muslim man.

                        The Pashtuns have rejected Hakimullah, Fazlullah, Fazl-ur-Rehman, Qazi Hussain Ahmad and these other so-called "Islamic" leaders. The Pashtun leadership has always been from the hujra, while jumat has been confined to spiritual matters alone. It is only when Punjab, in collusion with Mossad and the CIA, destroyed the fabric of Pashtun society by destroying the hujrah and elevating the jumat to serve their purposes that the real downfall of Pashtuns began.

                        What have the mullahs done so far apart from destroying Afghanistan brick by brick and forcing Muslims to kill other Muslims?
                        "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

                        "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Levanaye Zalmaye View Post
                          So the foul-mouthed mullah barks but calls me a dog...

                          governor* (yeah, "governor" is spelled with an "o"), it is a known fact that the Socialist movement has always been for the benefit of the most wretched and downtrodden of society and that is why it always originates from them. On the other hand, political mullahs are known to be greedy to such an extent that in Pashtun society, they are known as halwa-khor. Socialist principles are human-serving whereas the "principles" of your political mullahs exist only to enrich them at the expense of the common Muslim man.

                          The Pashtuns have rejected Hakimullah, Fazlullah, Fazl-ur-Rehman, Qazi Hussain Ahmad and these other so-called "Islamic" leaders. The Pashtun leadership has always been from the hujra, while jumat has been confined to spiritual matters alone. It is only when Punjab, in collusion with Mossad and the CIA, destroyed the fabric of Pashtun society by destroying the hujrah and elevating the jumat to serve their purposes that the real downfall of Pashtuns began.

                          What have the mullahs done so far apart from destroying Afghanistan brick by brick and forcing Muslims to kill other Muslims?

                          Lenin and Stalin were both murderers, killing millions of their own people.

                          The militant Afghan communists murdered Sardar Daud Khan because he was not secular enough for them. Apparently, they wanted women and men to be homosexuals too. The humor should not cast these down trodden miscreants in any other manner- they are the vermin/poison that have been bothering Pashtuns time and time again. Hopefully, this is the last time they will ever ever support the bloodshed and death of Pashtuns through war and occupation.

                          The so-called Pashtun "nationalists" of the Awami National Party are hand in hand with the Pak Army when the Pak Army was giving supply routes to NATO. Their false Pashtun "nationalism" has been exposed. How these hypocrites call themselves nationalists when they are supporting the NATO war/ airstrikes/ night raids/drone attacks and the Pak Army war in Waziristan?

                          Pashtuns have rejected these minority 5th Column secular opportunists bloodsuckers whose pockets are filled with the money of corruption.

                          The Najibs and the Karzais rot in the annals of history.

                          the whole NATO war is made possible by Pakistan Army support with NATO supply routes, both ground and air.

                          Pakistan is the ONLY country that gives NATO/Karzai regime lethal supplies. Russia and Uzbekistan do not, and only allow non-lethal supplies (which is bad enough).

                          Pakistan has been supporting the drone attacks, and only now finds itself in a worsening situation because the people do not. If the SC can get rid of an elected PM, then they can get rid of generals too who have broken the law by supporting the NATO war. There is a first time for everything. Once the generals are ousted by the SC, then it will be seen who really loves the slave Pak Army for their slavery to the West


                          and if you really believe Hamid Gul's grand daddy is orchestrating the entire termination of Pakistan support for the NATO war, then your Pro-War views apparently can not be reconciled with your false Anti-Pakistan stance because frankly speaking if you are so Anti-Pakistan truly in principle- then you shouldnt give one care about Imran Khan coming to power because in reality all that "opposition" is simply linked to the fact that he will end Pakistan support for the NATO war on all levels. Why dont you champion it? Get India to support the NATO war, but their Army is not for sale like Pakistan is? I see the logic. Are you really Anti-Pakistan? LOL

                          Your opposition to anyone that wants Pakistan to end its support for the NATO war then indicates that you are very supportive of the status quo where Pakistan enables the NATO war to carry on with its air supply routes.

                          Hypocrisy is supposed to be something to be ashamed of, not to be proud of.
                          Last edited by Shah-i-Kot; 06-20-2012, 02:53 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Give our collective sanity a break, quit regurgitating the party line, and grow a brain. News flash, that son of a b-itch in your avatar promulgated a philosophy that murdered Afghans in two decades so fast that the burliest mullahs in a phalanx couldn't have matched that rate.

                            That piece of garbage, Mr Lenin (dare not to be confused with the witty Mr Lennon of Liverpool) truncated and obliterated a peoples revolution from completing itself when he and "psychomullah" Trotsky martyred the kronstadt sailors. Yet you offer him and his replacement elites and acolytes as an alternative pathway to hakimullah?

                            Next time you laugh at the caliphate take a look at how you yourself offer homage galore to the Russian yazid, usurper and then extinguisher of the rule of the soviets... In fact at least the caliphate saw two decades; with Lenin all central Asia saw was totalitarian blood. You and your ilk tried to hoist a karimov of Uzbekistan named Najib us shaytaan on the noble Afghan people and they "politely" showed you that they preferred not a murderous post soviet uzbek or Tajikistan style future.
                            Originally posted by Levanaye Zalmaye View Post
                            So the foul-mouthed mullah barks but calls me a dog...

                            governor* (yeah, "governor" is spelled with an "o"), it is a known fact that the Socialist movement has always been for the benefit of the most wretched and downtrodden of society and that is why it always originates from them. On the other hand, political mullahs are known to be greedy to such an extent that in Pashtun society, they are known as halwa-khor. Socialist principles are human-serving whereas the "principles" of your political mullahs exist only to enrich them at the expense of the common Muslim man.

                            The Pashtuns have rejected Hakimullah, Fazlullah, Fazl-ur-Rehman, Qazi Hussain Ahmad and these other so-called "Islamic" leaders. The Pashtun leadership has always been from the hujra, while jumat has been confined to spiritual matters alone. It is only when Punjab, in collusion with Mossad and the CIA, destroyed the fabric of Pashtun society by destroying the hujrah and elevating the jumat to serve their purposes that the real downfall of Pashtuns began.

                            What have the mullahs done so far apart from destroying Afghanistan brick by brick and forcing Muslims to kill other Muslims?
                            Last edited by BarakzaiAbdali; 06-20-2012, 03:00 AM.
                            "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by lynx View Post
                              Lenin and Stalin were both murderers, killing millions of their own people.
                              If Stalin's crimes are Communism's fault then Yazeed's, Tamerlane's and Osama bin Laden's crimes must be Islam's fault. Let's not go off-topic.


                              Originally posted by lynx View Post
                              The militant Afghan communists murdered Sardar Daud Khan because he was not secular enough for them. Apparently, they wanted women and men to be homosexuals too. The humor should not cast these down trodden miscreants in any other manner- they are the vermin/poison that have been bothering Pashtuns time and time again. Hopefully, this is the last time they will ever ever support the bloodshed and death of Pashtuns through war and occupation.


                              Originally posted by lynx View Post
                              The so-called Pashtun "nationalists" of the Awami National Party are hand in hand with the Pak Army when the Pak Army was giving supply routes to NATO. Their false Pashtun "nationalism" has been exposed. How these hypocrites call themselves nationalists when they are supporting the NATO war/ airstrikes/ night raids/drone attacks and the Pak Army war in Waziristan?

                              Pashtuns have rejected these minority 5th Column secular opportunists bloodsuckers whose pockets are filled with the money of corruption.

                              The Najibs and the Karzais rot in the annals of history.

                              the whole NATO war is made possible by Pakistan Army support with NATO supply routes, both ground and air.

                              Pakistan is the ONLY country that gives NATO/Karzai regime lethal supplies. Russia and Uzbekistan do not, and only allow non-lethal supplies (which is bad enough).

                              Pakistan has been supporting the drone attacks, and only now finds itself in a worsening situation because the people do not. If the SC can get rid of an elected PM, then they can get rid of generals too who have broken the law by supporting the NATO war. There is a first time for everything. Once the generals are ousted by the SC, then it will be seen who really loves the slave Pak Army for their slavery to the West


                              and if you really believe Hamid Gul's grand daddy is orchestrating the entire termination of Pakistan support for the NATO war, then your Pro-War views apparently can not be reconciled with your false Anti-Pakistan stance because frankly speaking if you are so Anti-Pakistan truly in principle- then you shouldnt give one care about Imran Khan coming to power because in reality all that "opposition" is simply linked to the fact that he will end Pakistan support for the NATO war on all levels. Why dont you champion it? Get India to support the NATO war, but their asss is not for sale like Pakistan's is/was?

                              Your opposition to anyone that wants Pakistan to end its support for the NATO war then indicates that you are very supportive of the status quo where Pakistan enables the NATO war to carry on with its air supply routes.

                              Hypocrisy is supposed to be something to be ashamed of, not to be proud of.

                              lol for the 100th time, Imran Khan will not, because he cannot, end the drones or completely piss off America. The US has too much economic leverage over Pakistan.

                              lol and your grasp over Pakistan's internal dynamics is even worse than your understanding of international politics.
                              "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

                              "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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