Khalilzad, the Demon

[MostafaM]

Jewish or Catholic, no difference for me but his closeness to the Neocons and Zionists is not because of his wife but because those people and Khalilzad think alike.

The question remains why Northern Alliance people hate him so damn much.....

Alchemist bachem, chie shudi?
Namegi ke churrah Zalmay jan ra churrah eqa bad mebini?
Rasteta bogo degga.... ;-)

[Ghundal]

Jewish or Catholic, no difference for me but his closeness to the Neocons and Zionists is not because of his wife but because those people and Khalilzad think alike.

The question remains why Northern Alliance people hate him so damn much.....

Alchemist bachem, chie shudi?
Namegi ke churrah Zalmay jan ra churrah eqa bad mebini?
Rasteta bogo degga.... ;-)

Do you mind telling me who does not oppose him?

This man supports war and occupation in Afghanistan.

What power structure did he set up? The "power" structure he set up was designed to put puppets in power who will do as told. You make it out as if he was some type of Pashtun nationalist. There is no such thing as a Pashtun nationalist. You are aware that has been a charade, a front put up by PRO WAR people to cloak their war supporting ways, and "Pakistan is behind the Cairo Revolution/Syria Uprising narrative." When Pakistan farts, hurricanes occur around the world.

They are an insult and a mockery of the term nationalist.

In the historical record, you will not find any "nationalist" who supported occupation of their own country.

He along with his son continue to support never ending war in Afghanistan.

there are youtube videos of his son giving news interviews.

[MostafaM]

Although Khalilzad brought these car-mechanics-turned-Marshalls to power, they hate him with passion.
My question was why those NA people pee into the pot they use to eat from.


And for the rest of your words:

we already established that you are a Pro-Pakistani and Pro-Imran-Khan cheerleader.

I am not discussing internal Afghan issues with a foreigner.

Doesn´t matter if Tajik, Pro-or Anti-War, Communist, Nazi or Apostate, I only debate with Afghans. This is an internal matter of Afghan nationals and Imran-Khan-loyalists and true Pakistani patriots should please stay out.

Thank you.

[Ghundal]

[QUOTE]

Although Khalilzad brought these car-mechanics-turned-Marshalls to power, they hate him with passion.
My question was why those NA people pee into the pot they use to eat from.

Khalilzad is what you call a penny pincher. He did not bring anyone to power. The US brought Karzai to "power" along with the Northern Alliance who had previously retreated all the way to the Panjshir.

And for the rest of your words:

we already established that you are a Pro-Pakistani and Pro-Imran-Khan cheerleader.

Wrong. You in fact are a Pro-Napaki Army supporter because without their support for the US war, there is no US war. There is no Karzai sitting and "ruling" Kabul. There is no Khalilzad. There is no Afghan Northern Alliance Army trotting around.

People who support the US war (like you) also support Pakistan for supporting the US war. Understand that, or do you not understand logic?

I am not discussing internal Afghan issues with a foreigner.

No, you are a foreigner probably who has rotting Communist Carcasses for relatives around you in Germany.

Your "Pakistan is behind every insurgency" narrative is a narrative only pushed by expats who are foreigners like yourself, holding a German citizenship.

It is a Rangin Dadfar Spanta/ Karzai/Amarulleh Saleh/Northern Alliance narrative that you have constantly pushed that Pakistan is behind the Afghan insurgency. You try to foreignize the Afghan insurgency to make yourself feel comfortable in supporting a US war.

Nothing you say has any resonance whatsoever with Pashtuns in general, and it is out of touch, and your support for NATO I assure you is certainly not welcome in Afghanistan, especially Southern and Eastern Afghanistan.

Like I said, you support NATO, why dont you join the German Army, and fight against the Afghan insurgency? Whats with only being a keyboard warrior. You are PRO WAR, then go and fight against the Afghan insurgency.

Doesn´t matter if Tajik, Pro-or Anti-War, Communist, Nazi or Apostate, I only debate with Afghans. This is an internal matter of Afghan nationals and Imran-Khan-loyalists and true Pakistani patriots should please stay out.

Thank you.

As I said buddy, you are the biggest NAPAKI lover on the planet. If it aint for your NAPAKI ARMY support for the US war, you dont have your Apostate "Afghans" running the show. It looks like that game is indeed coming to an end.


As for Imran Khan, if he indeed stops supporting the US war-Karzai-Northern Alliance nexus, then great, but he could be as pathetic as you


You love NAPAKI Army buddy

I know your not Muslim, but Dont ever fool yourself, a guy who supports NATO is not a Pashtun.

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=25738

[MostafaM]

1. Claiming something doesn´t make it a fact. And no one really cares about your concepts about the debaters that you gathered while being on a PCP-trip.
I can assure you about that. ;-)
(loving Pak-Army or the ISI, being a Communist, being pro-war etc.)

2. Your Pro-Imran-Khan topics are still visible here.

3. My religion is not your business. I could be the hardest Hindu, Jew or Atheist on the surface of the planet. Doesn´t mean that I pro-India, Israel or a Communist.

4. Being against Pakistan and it´s support of an insurgency makes me Pro-Pakistan?
I don´t get the logic there but I am sure you can explain that after smoking some weed.
Your inconsistent, idiotic and ridiculous comments are anything but informative or funny.

[MostafaM]

You prefer the gut, Ghundal.

I would suggest, you go with books instead of your gut. haha

Gut feelings - more popular each day - YouTube

[Ghundal]

As I have mentioned, your dramatic histrionics wont deny the facts on the ground

1) There is no US/NATO war without Pakistan support (supply lines and drone attacks). You support NATO war, so you support Pakistan support for NATO war. Got that?

2) There is no Karzai -Northern Alliance nexus without Pakistan support

3) There is no Khalilzaid strutting around without Pakistan support

4) There are no drone attacks without Pakistan support

5) There is no proof that Pakistan supports the Afghan insurgency

6) However....So on one hand you appear to be perfectly fine with Pakistan supporting the US war (your support for the US/NATO war that they support), but on the other hand decry the Afghan insurgency due to alleged Pakistan support??? Inconsistent? Double Standards? ( We can assume it is true for the sake of the debate, BUT there is no evidence that indicates Pakistan supports the Afghan insurgency)

When making a claim, evidence needs to be shown.

[MostafaM]

1. Pakistan can do SH!T against the US. That´s the reason why they leave Americans do what they do, wait for their withdrawl and wait to implement their agenda afterwards.
You get that?
Short term aimes vs Long term strategical aimes?
You understand the difference?

2. IF no one supports the Taliban, where do they get their material and moral support from?
Why do they run across the Durand Line after attacking?
Why are Miransha and Quetta still not raided by the Pak Army, while they bomb and overran the TTP strongholds in South Waziristan and Bajaur, but are reluctant to go after those Taliban factions who fight in AFG but NOT against the Pakistani state?

[Ghundal]

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1. Claiming something doesn´t make it a fact.

touche

And no one really cares about your concepts about the debaters that you gathered while being on a PCP-trip.
I can assure you about that. ;-)

This is what people like you do when they fail at a debate.

(loving Pak-Army or the ISI, being a Communist, being pro-war etc.)

2. Your Pro-Imran-Khan topics are still visible here.

So. If Imran Khan ends PAKISTAN support for the US war, and effectively helps the US exit Afghanistan, then I am ALL for him, since I am ANTI-WAR opposed to the US war, and Pakistan support for the US war, it would make logical sense, right?

http://www.sananews.net/english/2012/02/imran-urges-govt-to-quit-war-on-terror/

3. My religion is not your business. I could be the hardest Hindu, Jew or Atheist on the surface of the planet. Doesn´t mean that I pro-India, Israel or a Communist.

Projection

4. Being against Pakistan and it´s support of an insurgency makes me Pro-Pakistan?
I don´t get the logic there but I am sure you can explain that after smoking some weed.

1) You make a claim here without evidence

2) So you are OK with Pakistan supporting the US war/Karzai with supply routes and permitting drone attacks?

I see, I see

Your inconsistent, idiotic and ridiculous comments are anything but informative or funny.

I think this describes you.

You are opposed to Pakistan for allegedly supporting the Afghan insurgency (you provide no proof), but you are OK with Pakistan supporting the US/NATO/Karzai war, a war that is not possible without Pakistan support

I see

[MostafaM]

So, if you are ANTI-war, how can you support an insurgency who says that it will NOT accept anything but getting to power?

Will the US departure end the war or will there be a civil war again?

Imran Khan will stop the US?
Are you sure?
What is the Pakistani without the 2 Billion US Dollars annually that comes from the US?

The claim that Pakistan supports the insurgency is clear to everyone.
If you can show us how a 15.000-20.000 strong guerilla movement can be equipped, trained and sheltered while having actually no resources, feel free to do that.

[Ghundal]

2. IF no one supports the Taliban, where do they get their material and moral support from?
Why do they run across the Durand Line after attacking?
Why are Miransha and Quetta still not raided by the Pak Army, while they bomb and overran the TTP strongholds in South Waziristan and Bajaur, but are reluctant to go after those Taliban factions who fight in AFG but NOT against the Pakistani state?

So you want Pak Army to conduct operations in Quetta and other areas of FATA also?

Correction, the TTP operates within Pak and Afghanistan. Thats why US and Pak cooperate on drone attacks.

You want the Durrand line enforced?

So now, we are talking about something completely different. Thanks for finally bringing this up.

1) So Pakistan's inability to enforce their writ on FATA is the problem. Their reluctance to not take actions against what US/Karzai deem as "safe havens?" Obviously, this reluctance is not out of humanitarian concern for the lives of mostly Pashtun people, as that is thrown out of the window with Pakistan Army record on human rights.

You forget that Musharraf fulfilled the request of the US in 2004, and started wide scale operations in FATA. Till that time, there was no TTP, no insurgency against the Pakistani state existed to the degree that would ensue. Militancy is a reaction to intervention. You do not need to be Einstein to figure this out.

So, you are now considering Pakistan support for the Afghan insurgency as their reluctance to go after what the US/Karzai term safe havens?

[MostafaM]

LOL

Are you stupid or do you act stupid to avoid the topic?

I asked you why the Pakistani Army itself distinguishes between "good and bad Taliban".

One are RAW-funded and Afghan trained Paki-haters....the TTP, the others are not bothered because they fight in Afghanistan....

It should be clear WHY Pakistan is not acting against the Miransha and Quetta Shura.

Pakistan is surely able to crush the Talibans in Miransha and Quetta. The question why don´t do it.....what is your answer to that?

And once again:
"..If you can show us how a 15.000-20.000 strong guerilla movement can be equipped, trained and sheltered while having actually no resources, feel free to do that ..."

[Ghundal]

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So, if you are ANTI-war, how can you support an insurgency who says that it will NOT accept anything but getting to power?

Being ANTI-WAR means letting a nation like Afghanistan sort itself out internally without any foreign intervention.

Will the US departure end the war or will there be a civil war again?

Being ANTI-WAR does not take into consideration the internal affairs of a state. If there is a civil war in Syria, should states intervene and declare war to stop the civil war.

Who ever told you the civil war in Afghanistan was not ongoing? I doubt there will be a continuation of the civil war, but if there is, then naturally, the winner of that civil war, rules Afghanistan . You can compare this to the overthrowing of the false Shah of Iran, and the Iranian Revolution that followed. One can have no disposition at all in regards to either side, and be ANTI-WAR.

Your logic is flawed. There is currently a festering civil war in Nigeria, should a nation start a war in Nigeria to end a war? Does that make any sense?

Imran Khan will stop the US?
Are you sure?

No, I didnt say I was sure that he will stop Pakistan support for the US war. This is what he has promised to do.

I dont put faith in a mans words.

What is the Pakistani without the 2 Billion US Dollars annually that comes from the US?

Well, he does say he will stop the aid once he is in power. By the way, the aid hysteria is largely drummed up. The few hundred million dollars of aid that are received are siphoned off by corrupt "leaders."

Also, check this thread with the links Barakzai posted up. The aid that is eventually given is siphoned by corrupt politcians. It has nothing to do with whatever semblance there is of a Pakistani economy. See, having corrupt and subservient leaders in power actually is of no consequence, since non of the aid money actually props up the local and provincial governments at all. So threats of cutting the aid actually have no bearing on the common people at all. What a paradox?

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=26048

The claim that Pakistan supports the insurgency is clear to everyone.
If you can show us how a 15.000-20.000 strong guerilla movement can be equipped, trained and sheltered while having actually no resources, feel free to do that

Thats your job to do buddy


You made the claim that the Afghan insurgency is supported by Pakistan.

Show the evidence then

[MostafaM]

You claim that the Taliban are not receiving any kind of help from Pakistan.

Why are you reluctant to answer the question how they manage to function financially, militarily and operationally?

[Ghundal]

You claim that the Taliban are not receiving any kind of help from Pakistan.

Why are you reluctant to answer the question how they manage to function financially, militarily and operationally?

buddy,

You MADE the claim that Pakistan supports the Afghan insurgency? Agreed?

So since you made the claim, the onus is on you to prove that Pakistan supports the Afghan insurgency, not ON me

Is that clear to you?

What is clear is that without Pakistan support, there is no US war/Karzai regime. Those are plain undisputed facts which you appear to have no objection to.