Khalilzad, the Demon

[MostafaM]

I made that claim while using my brain that a standing army of 20.000 people need ammunition, command and controle structures, safe havens, food and shelter.

Since Afghanistan has no ammunition and weapons production facilities, these goods have to be bought somewhere with money (that is not clear where it comes from), transported and provided to the units. They need communication facilities and they definitly need places to hide and to operate from.

I don´t think that this is hard to grasp.

You avoiding to answer where they get these kind of help from clearly states what your agenda is.

;-)

You can´t fool anyone.
Your anti-Pakistan rhetoric is pure eye-washing campaign.

[Ghundal]

I made that claim while using my brain that a standing army of 20.000 people need ammunition, command and controle structures, safe havens, food and shelter.

Since Afghanistan has no ammunition and weapons production facilities, these goods have to be bought somewhere with money (that is not clear where it comes from), transported and provided to the units. They need communication facilities and they definitly need places to hide and to operate from.

I don´t think that this is hard to grasp.

You avoiding to answer where they get these kind of help from clearly states what your agenda is.

;-)

You can´t fool anyone.
Your anti-Pakistan rhetoric is pure eye-washing campaign.

Show me the evidence that Pakistan supports the Afghan insurgency

Show me the evidence that Pakistan supports the Afghan insurgency

You cant make claims without evidence

Facts show Pakistan supports the US war/Karza, something you are completely OK with. You cant be Anti-Pakistan when you support the US/NATO war because that war does not happen without Pakistan SUPPORT.

You support the NATO war, so you also support the Pakistani war because Pakistan supports that war. See, you love Pakistan Army, without Pakistan Army allowing supply routes for your NATO war, there IS nO WAR


You still have not addressed the "safe haven" argument

haha

[Ghundal]

LOL

Are you stupid or do you act stupid to avoid the topic?

I asked you why the Pakistani Army itself distinguishes between "good and bad Taliban".

One are RAW-funded and Afghan trained Paki-haters....the TTP, the others are not bothered because they fight in Afghanistan....

It should be clear WHY Pakistan is not acting against the Miransha and Quetta Shura.

Pakistan is surely able to crush the Talibans in Miransha and Quetta. The question why don´t do it.....what is your answer to that?

And once again:
"..If you can show us how a 15.000-20.000 strong guerilla movement can be equipped, trained and sheltered while having actually no resources, feel free to do that ..."

I think you are avoiding the topic with your outbursts. You did not address any of the issues raised, but thankfully are stuck on this one at the expense of your own logic.


Why should they start a war in Quetta and the parts of Miranshah that you allude to?

Haven't they killed enough with jet bombardment?

Why should they start new operations in new areas which are almost exclusively Pashtun?

Why?

[Ghundal]

I made that claim while using my brain that a standing army of 20.000 people need ammunition, command and controle structures, safe havens, food and shelter.

Since Afghanistan has no ammunition and weapons production facilities, these goods have to be bought somewhere with money (that is not clear where it comes from), transported and provided to the units.They need communication facilities and they definitly need places to hide and to operate from.

I don´t think that this is hard to grasp.

You avoiding to answer where they get these kind of help from clearly states what your agenda is.

;-)

You can´t fool anyone.
Your anti-Pakistan rhetoric is pure eye-washing campaign.

So basically you want Pakistan to support the US/Karzai war more than they already are? Right. You want them to enforce the writ of the Pakistani state in FATA ? (they are already attacking FATA- Are you happy about that?) Thats what your posts says
" They need communication facilities and they definitly need places to hide and to operate from."


Isnt Pakistan support with supply lines and drone attacks enough for your bloodsucking? You acutally want Pakistan to bombard Pashtuns more than they ALREADY are doing? Will you be happy when they do it, if they do it? Is this why you are opposed to Imran Khan (why you care about Paki politics is questionable), because he says he will end Pak support for the US war? Even though those are his words, and he could be lying, you still seemed very opposed to his statements? Why or why? Because he want to end Pak support for this war? LOL You love Pak Army because without Pak Army support for US war/Karzai, there is NONE BUDDY

And you say you "care about Pashtuns."

So essentially, you support Pakistan for supporting the US war/Karzai, you are content with it, but you are from that crowd who says "do more" meaning bombard all Pashtun areas of Pakistan with the full force of the Pak Army more than they already are doing.

Answer the post line for line. Dont evade it. You brought up "safe havens," now address it since you are PRO WAR. The post clearly below shows you dont give a damn about Afghanistan or Pashtuns if they dont fit into your agenda or your wish to see a secular Afghansitan modeled after your Communist Carcasses ideals.

2. IF no one supports the Taliban, where do they get their material and moral support from?
Why do they run across the Durand Line after attacking?
Why are Miransha and Quetta still not raided by the Pak Army, while they bomb and overran the TTP strongholds in South Waziristan and Bajaur, but are reluctant to go after those Taliban factions who fight in AFG but NOT against the Pakistani state?

So you want Pak Army to conduct operations in Quetta and other areas of FATA also (they already are)?

Correction, the TTP operates within Pak and Afghanistan. Thats why US and Pak cooperate on drone attacks.

You want the Durrand line enforced?

So now, we are talking about something completely different. Thanks for finally bringing this up.

1) So Pakistan's inability to enforce their writ on FATA is the problem. Their reluctance to not take actions against what US/Karzai deem as "safe havens?" Obviously, this reluctance is not out of humanitarian concern for the lives of mostly Pashtun people, as that is thrown out of the window with Pakistan Army record on human rights.

You forget that Musharraf fulfilled the request of the US in 2004, and started wide scale operations in FATA. Till that time, there was no TTP, no insurgency against the Pakistani state existed to the degree that would ensue. Militancy is a reaction to intervention. You do not need to be Einstein to figure this out.

So, you are now considering Pakistan support for the Afghan insurgency as their reluctance to go after what the US/Karzai term safe havens?

and their inability to enforce the Durrand line, not that they dont want to?


Wow, thats a lot of mind shiiiot right there.

Still, no evidence that Pakistan supports the Afghan insurgency?

Did you say that you dont make claims?

[NokiaWnW]

Although Khalilzad brought these car-mechanics-turned-Marshalls to power, they hate him with passion.
My question was why those NA people pee into the pot they use to eat from.


And for the rest of your words:

we already established that you are a Pro-Pakistani and Pro-Imran-Khan cheerleader.

I am not discussing internal Afghan issues with a foreigner.

Doesn´t matter if Tajik, Pro-or Anti-War, Communist, Nazi or Apostate, I only debate with Afghans. This is an internal matter of Afghan nationals and Imran-Khan-loyalists and true Pakistani patriots should please stay out.

Thank you.

You seems to be unrelated with the politics of 2001. Khalilzad was a noone to NA or Taliban or Karzai. All these groups came to power by their own guns. Khalilzad had no role. You missinterprete something. NA was legitimated and threated even Zahir Shah not to dare making a noise (lead by Qanuni). Those groups took from beginning all positions. Only the role of the presidency was part of Khalilzad-US policy. And he is not a Farsiwan but a Pashtun from Mazar.

[randolph85]

You seems to be unrelated with the politics of 2001. Khalilzad was a noone to NA or Taliban or Karzai. All these groups came to power by their own guns. Khalilzad had no role. You missinterprete something. NA was legitimated and threated even Zahir Shah not to dare making a noise (lead by Qanuni). Those groups took from beginning all positions. Only the role of the presidency was part of Khalilzad-US policy. And he is not a Farsiwan but a Pashtun from Mazar.

it was US suitcases full of millions of dollars that brought the NA into power.

from mullah zaeef:

At the same time, I contacted the Afghan-born advisor to President
Bush, Zalmai Khalilzad. I told him that as an Afghan he should help
and make every possible effort to try to prevent the dispute from turning
into a war. I always spoke with Khalilzad on the phone from Jalalabad,
where I travelled from Islamabad so that Pakistan wouldn’t
eavesdrop on our conversations.

[randolph85]

that and US air support, of course.