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    Attitudes are hardening in Pakistan's restive Balochistan province against the government, but the state is now belatedly reaching out to the Baloch separatists. Writer Ahmed Rashid considers whether after years of civil war, talks could end the bloodshed.



    It took an obscure United States congressman holding a controversial hearing in Washington on the civil war in Balochistan to awaken the conscience of the Pakistani government, military and public.



    For years the civil war in Balochistan has either been forgotten by most Pakistanis or depicted as the forces of law and order battling Baloch tribesmen, who are described as "Indian agents".



    Just a few weeks ago, Interior Minister Rehman Malik even hinted that Israel and the US were supporting the Baloch separatists, while the army had totally ''Indianised'' the Baloch problem.



    On 23 February, Mr Malik did an about-face, saying that the government was withdrawing all cases against Baloch leaders living in exile and asking them to return home for talks. ''I will receive them in person,'' he told journalists.


    Don't expect Baloch leaders to turn the other cheek at Mr Malik's sudden shift - the Baloch have seen too many such U-turns before.
    Brahamdagh Bugti, head of the separatist Baloch Republican Party and living in exile in Geneva, remains sceptical.



    His grandfather Sardar Akbar Bugti, the head of the Bugti tribe, was killed in 2006 on the orders of former President Pervez Musharraf in a massive aerial bombardment, while his sister Zamur Domki and her 12-year old daughter were gunned down in Karachi in broad daylight just in late January - allegedly by government agents.



    He told journalists last week: ''I have seen this all before… I am not an optimist.'' Nevertheless, for the first time in years his face appeared on every Pakistani TV channel as he and other Baloch leaders gave interviews.
    Broken promises

    The civil war has left thousands dead - including non-Baloch settlers killed by Baloch militants - and has gone on for the past nine years, but it hardly made the news in Pakistan, let alone abroad.



    The fifth Baloch insurgency against the Pakistani state began in 2003 with small guerrilla attacks by autonomy-seeking Baloch groups, who over the years have become increasingly militant and separatist in ideology.



    The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan reported that in 2011 there were 107 new cases of enforced disappearances. The so called ''missing'' are picked up, tortured, killed and their bodies left by the roadside in what the Baloch call ''a kill and dump policy'' by state intelligence agencies and the paramilitary Frontier Corps. Thousands of people have disappeared in the past nine years.



    In a recent article for Dawn newspaper which generated intense public interest, novelist and satirist Mohammed Hanif described one incident in which a boy was picked up by government agents and went missing for two years before his body turned up.



    US Congressman Dana Rohrabacher earned the wrath of the Pakistani establishment when he held a hearing on Balochistan and then introduced a non-binding resolution in Congress that Balochistan should be declared an independent territory.



    The government is now calling for an All Parties Conference to discuss Baloch grievances, but Baloch leaders have already said they will not attend.



    Community leaders like Brahamdagh Bugti and Harbayar Marri, a leader of the Balochistan Liberation Army who is in exile in London, have seen two major efforts by Pakistani politicians to talk to them fail in the past nine years - largely due to the army's intransigence.
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    The first was under former President Musharraf when some of his federal ministers tried to hold talks with the Marri and Bugti leaders. They were thwarted by Gen Musharraf who was determined to deal with the issue militarily, taunting the Baloch with quips such as ''this time you won't even know what hit you".


    The second was when the present Pakistan People's Party government was elected to power in 2008 and President Asif Ali Zardari asked for a ceasefire in Balochistan for six months - which surprisingly was adhered to - and promised negotiations with Baloch leaders. However, the army was against any talks and the government's will to carry them out melted away.



    Writing on the wall
    Since then, there has been a hardening of the Baloch attitude and a widening and deepening of the revolt. Baloch leaders now openly talk of accepting aid from India and the US if it was available and separating from Pakistan to form a new country - which is anathema to most Pakistanis.
    None of the earlier four revolts have received such support from all sections of Baloch society, including the educated middle class. The Baloch diaspora in Europe and the US is especially active.



    Although Balochistan is the largest province in Pakistan, the Baloch number only five million people and are outnumbered in their own province by Pashtun tribesmen and other non-Baloch settlers like the Shia Hazaras who arrived in the 19th Century. What also irks the Baloch is that Pakistan allows the Afghan Taliban - who are Pashtun - to run their war against US forces in Afghanistan from Quetta, the provincial capital. The Taliban leadership council is called the Quetta Shura. Pakistan's authorities deny the claims.



    Until now, there has been a kind of ethnic peace between the Baloch and Pakistani and Afghan Pashtuns living in Balochistan, but that could end in a bloodbath. Some right-wing American politicians like Dana Rohrabacher talk of an alliance between Baloch separatists and Afghanistan's anti-Taliban former Northern Alliance.



    Such an alliance would jointly take on the Taliban. That is dangerous talk because it could end up with the partitioning of both Pakistan and Afghanistan.



    The Pakistan army needs to see the writing on the wall and swiftly urge the government to open genuine talks and offer real concessions to the Baloch. The Baloch say they are beyond accepting any compromise with the state, but no Pakistani entity has ever tried talking to them.


    Ahmed Rashid's book, Taliban, was updated and reissued recently on the 10th anniversary of its publication. His latest book is Descent into Chaos - The US and the Disaster in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Central Asia.
    Dangerous times for the Pakistanis

  • #2
    Originally posted by NokiaWnW View Post
    Dangerous times for the Pakistanis
    times have always been dangerous for us, actually past baloch uprising were way more brutal ..this one isn't even an uprising, just a US congress resolution and the irony of it is the bugtis are gonna lose all credibility simply because they are going to be shown allied with the states

    and guess who people hate more than pakistan ? your friendly World-Police-Force
    It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Talal View Post
      times have always been dangerous for us, actually past baloch uprising were way more brutal ..this one isn't even an uprising, just a US congress resolution and the irony of it is the bugtis are gonna lose all credibility simply because they are going to be shown allied with the states

      and guess who people hate more than pakistan ? your friendly World-Police-Force
      Well, pakistan is a problem for everybody ( afg, iran, india, usa.... )
      Only china will support pakistan
      .

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      • #4
        If Balochs want to become independent than it´s their right. Their right, their land!

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        • #5
          baloch have sacrificed their lives and women and men are equally united. baloch women are more outspoken than pashtun men. baloch will get their independence.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Talal View Post
            times have always been dangerous for us, actually past baloch uprising were way more brutal ..this one isn't even an uprising, just a US congress resolution and the irony of it is the bugtis are gonna lose all credibility simply because they are going to be shown allied with the states

            and guess who people hate more than pakistan ? your friendly World-Police-Force
            Tell me this, what has the suppressing the baloch for so long achieved for pakistan? the more you surpress people, the more they will turn against you

            Its so hypocrite when you guys always talk about the rights of kashmiri people, yet totally ignore the suffering in Baluchistan or even FATA for that matter. The ISI Generals really to answer these questions. I have a feeling that most ISI people will be Ziad Hamid clones, totally out of touch from reality
            Last edited by Karachi; 02-29-2012, 03:32 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bharati View Post
              Well, pakistan is a problem for everybody ( afg, iran, india, usa.... )
              Only china will support pakistan


              Originally posted by Karachi View Post
              Tell me this, what has the suppressing the baloch for so long achieved for pakistan? the more you surpress people, the more they will turn against you

              Its so hypocrite when you guys always talk about the rights of kashmiri people, yet totally ignore the suffering in Baluchistan or even FATA for that matter. The ISI Generals really to answer these questions. I have a feeling that most ISI people will be Ziad Hamid clones, totally out of touch from reality
              dude you read whats on internet and you form your opinion based on that, people like you jump ship like its no tomorrow

              You have any idea what the system in Balochistan is like ? These waderas and Jageerdars can't take off their grubby lil paws off their lands .. These are the same bugtis that have been butchering their own people for decades now, living off royalties given to them...The only solution for Balochistan is political, with a population of mere 8 million that is the most probable solution. I really don't care what anyone else thinks of ISI and Army, my opinion is my own
              It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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              • #8
                and before people start harping on punjabis, 80% of the armed forces men are infact FC FATA
                It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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                • #9
                  Balochs teaming up with NA against Taliban sounds like Polish and Hungarian resistance teaming up against the Red Army.

                  Will be crushed like a fly.

                  Baluchs are smart enough not to fight their Pashtun neighbours for the benefit of the NA!
                  The only constant is change.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Talal View Post
                    and before people start harping on punjabis, 80% of the armed forces men are infact FC FATA
                    Yes but the majority of pak army is composed by punjabis
                    Pakistan is dominated by punjabis, you cannot deny that
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bharati View Post
                      Yes but the majority of pak army is composed by punjabis
                      Pakistan is dominated by punjabis, you cannot deny that
                      Punjabis make up about 40 - 50% of Pakistan's population..Recruitment from punjab for the armed forces sits at about 50% which is something if you consider the fact that punjab (Indian and Pakistani) has for over 200 years served as the province that puts out most armed soldiers.
                      It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Talal View Post
                        Punjabis make up about 40 - 50% of Pakistan's population..Recruitment from punjab for the armed forces sits at about 50% which is something if you consider the fact that punjab (Indian and Pakistani) has for over 200 years served as the province that puts out most armed soldiers.
                        Ok for the army's ethnic composition, it could be logical

                        But you can understand why the baloch protest , they live in a country dominated by punjabis/sindhis
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Talal View Post




                          dude you read whats on internet and you form your opinion based on that, people like you jump ship like its no tomorrow

                          You have any idea what the system in Balochistan is like ? These waderas and Jageerdars can't take off their grubby lil paws off their lands .. These are the same bugtis that have been butchering their own people for decades now, living off royalties given to them...The only solution for Balochistan is political, with a population of mere 8 million that is the most probable solution. I really don't care what anyone else thinks of ISI and Army, my opinion is my own
                          And you're acting as if you own balochistan. Look, its a well known fact that much of the resources of balochistan go towards punjab, why does the ISI/Army/Government want to keep balochistan deprived of every thing? not to mention the amounts of people who have been killed there

                          Sure they might have tribal/internal problems but that's not the major issue.

                          I personally dont know what is the solution for balochistan, but they need to be given the rights to run their own province and their own affairs, it doesn't matter if they do this with in pakistan or out of pakistan. Outsiders coming to their land dont need to tell them what to do, it is simple as that. Espeically when you guys are just looting the province with out giving any thing to the locals
                          Last edited by Karachi; 02-29-2012, 05:40 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Talal View Post
                            Punjabis make up about 40 - 50% of Pakistan's population..Recruitment from punjab for the armed forces sits at about 50% which is something if you consider the fact that punjab (Indian and Pakistani) has for over 200 years served as the province that puts out most armed soldiers.
                            yeah but what about the ISI and top decision makers? regulars soldiers dont have any say in the army

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                            • #15
                              ^ Yeah like in every other country the Intel agencies hold a public ballot for every decision they make..and Balochistan's solution like every other province rests in a balanced negotiation of powers with the center
                              It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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