NokiaWnW's News Roundup

[NokiaWnW]

US is no more supporting Karzai. If tomorrow anyone claim on Kabul and takes the power, kills Karzai, US will ignore it as long the new group is not a terror group like Taliban or Al-Qaida. Civil war is possible without NATO and US but if they are there I think Taliban and other terrorists will kept on their line. A civil war would be a lose to all parties and fractions and would definitely lead Afghanistan splitting. Obviously a nightmare for Afghanistan, a country of mixed population.

[NokiaWnW]

Taliban caught kidnapping children between 6 and 12 years from Kunar and take them to Pakistan to sell them to the madrassas there becoming suicide bombers!!!

Another great example of Taliban and their version of Islam.

[Karachi]

No body is a saint, every body is a criminal, be it america, taliban, pakistan, saudi arabia etc...

^ they all have blood on their hands

[Ghundal]

Shortened and less confusing edit

Imran khan will end PaK support for US war completely

[NokiaWnW]

You need a profane education, beside your deobandi education. Maybe you will understand that you move on a wrong path. You write and think like you would fart. Your logic lies in your stomach. Wishful thinking, my friend. How can NA face it´s end when they are the most fierest opponents of Taliban and majority of the people will support them against savage slaves of Pakistan without any question. In fact, no matter how I stand toward NA criminals, today they are by far more and better armed and have more men power than ever. They control all stratetigical routes and cities, owned all buisnesses from where money flows in the hands of volenteers and militias who want to earn a bit money. This guy from Mazar, the ''king pin'' of the province is said beeing the richest and most powerful men in Afghanistan and belonging worldwide under the 300 most richest men. He himself owns private militias and an army. Taliban will not be able to fight NA or anyone face to face on the battlefield and I doubt that NA will leave their positions to hunt Taliban who use cowardly IEDs. For Taliban hunting only US special forces will be send since they have the technical know-how to prevent IEDs and other coward ''Burqa-tactics''. I think the NA will fight a defensive war till the last Paki slave runs out. That will be their win situation since they fight against ''civilian-looking'' foreigners. It´s not only the NA who will stand against Pakistan or Taliban. Militias and Arbakis will play a very good role, too as they do today killing everyday a some slave. Didn´t you realised that North become calm then before? And do you think Imran Khan will support you? You are just canon fodder for Pakistan. But I don´t think that Pakistan would have any problem with any government in Kabul as long their demands are answered and a solution is found, specially about the Durandline. You will see. Mark my words. Today we have the 20.02.2012. Mark this date and what you have written.

[Ghundal]

Northern Alliance had the West fight their battle for them.

What makes you think Afghanistan is concerned about their threats of civil war?

The NA/karzai have failed even with the backing of 50 well armed and advanced nations.

So is Pakistan the reason they have failed? But they are backed by 50 nations including Pakistan ( supply routes )

[Khostai]

My friend, pedophilism is mostly a Pashtun case. I can post you hundred of studies but it would be a shame for me as an Afghan and for you as a Pashtun. If the dog Massoud had been a Pashtun you would call him a hero and babi mellat. Your hatred against them is because they did not belong to Pashtuns (although largest tropps of NA were Pashtuns) and who stoped you (even destroyed you) to ask for power. And Massoud did support your way of governance and wanted an independent Afghanistan ruled by Afghans and asked the neighbours not to intervene in Afghanistan (exactly what Taliban and people like you want whose peed in their pants hearing about fedrealism and self-determination of non-Pashtuns) but you prove your fascist nature and that is the reason why you get killed. Because you are an ignorant fascist. You can not more rule alone without getting risking another civil war and mass migration to Iran and Pakistan again. Therefore everyone (even educated Pashtuns from eastern Afghanistan who live with us side by side) prefere a new government and a new political system and most of all system only federalism fit here. Why the Pashtun children are deprived from learing in Pashtu? Because of no federalism. If we had federalism the Pashtun boy would speak Pashtu even in Kabul, Herat, Nuristan and elsewhere. The Taliban destroyed everything Afghans felt as a common nation. To build the nation back to a common state without any ethnisization of policy we have to work from zero and start with federalism. All other system failed. Otherwise, it will be possible that because of the deep ethnica hatred the country could split. If America is able to cristalise Balochistan from Pakistan it can do it with Afghanistan easier. You should focus on the current development of your opponents who not only rule the majority of the population but also want to destroy Taliban and everyone that sympathize with Taliban. Let´s be serious. Another civil war would be the end of Afghanistan and noone want such a scenario. You can try to keep one ethnical group on ''power'' and trying to grip over all institutes (Pashtunization) and get what you deserve as fascists or you start a new round and do not repeat the same faults of the past.

Ps: i repeat it for you for the 10th time again. I am a Safi Pashayeewar. We have good relation to Pashtuns and Tajiks. We have nothing to do with Massoud, except some of us fought with the NA against Taliban, Arabs, Chechens, Pakistani army and special forces who entered Afghanistan

Ooh please I just said I am against taliban but still you dum ******* say I would also be in favour of Massoud if he was a pashtun, why do you lie so much or you have problem whith reading.
You and Afghan20120 are just waste of space pleas just die or something
I hate you and your fascist son of bitch attitude, you pice of ghual that you are. Pedhophile lover ieuw you are such disgusting individual I wat to trow up

[NokiaWnW]

Northern Alliance had the West fight their battle for them.

What makes you think Afghanistan is concerned about their threats of civil war?

The NA/karzai have failed even with the backing of 50 well armed and advanced nations.

So is Pakistan the reason they have failed? But they are backed by 50 nations including Pakistan ( supply routes )

The NA disappeared in 2003 fully. What are you talking? You live in a desillusionzed world. Some of it´s leaders like the criminal b*** Fahim owns Kabul province but he become a lazy dog and some are politicians but their foot-soldiers did not fought after 2002 any war against Taliban. But they fought after 09/11 down to Kandahar again against Taliban. 90% of all operations against Taliban and Al-Qaida were led by NA and their commanders. But that does not means that the NA is not prepared. They are not stupid. They know Pakistan as they know US. Both evil powers and they know they can not trust anyone, except themself and some of their most nationalist figures like commander Ratbil Pashai Khan or Shirzai. The Taliban failed to become again an influence in Kabul tough Karzai call them his beloved brothers. Ironically, his brothers killed his brother. Days changed, so enemies. People know eachother. No Taliban or Al-Qaidfa could stand on his feet when Pak army left them. Once Kunduz and Mazar was overrun and those criminals were slaughterd like pigs in an islamic country they moved like a speer toward east and south, having Americans bombing Al-Qaida and taliban in Tora Bora region. Your discussion is based on an ''islamic'' emotion. You should understand that Muslims fight Muslims. Not Muslims fight Kfor. I repeat it again. Mark my words that Taliban will facing a massacre in a future Afghanistan. Not only because of US, NA or NATO or other ''evil'' powers, but because of the ordinery civilian. The Pashtun self will finish that evil hypocrites who use the name of Islam.

Why should NA fight against US and waste it´s time instead living a life, building a house, having a wife and children when US can fight as long as possible? After US everyone can retake their weapons again.

[Ghundal]

Lol @ you suddenly loving Imran Khan

napakis are not going to invite civil war in Pakistan for what you want.

Lol

Do you know that half of Pakistan is like a Pashtun stronghold?

Lol

[NokiaWnW]

Lol @ you suddenly loving Imran Khan

napakis are not going to invite civil war in Pakistan for what you want.

Lol

Do you know that half of Pakistan is like a Pashtun stronghold?

Lol

Do you actually realise that you are out of the topic? Who wrote here about Pakistan? Since we are on it. Pakistan is ruled by the army and the ISI. They are even in Swat, KP, Balochistan. They have ears and eyes everywhere. They rule Taliban and Haqqani. They rule the religious madrassas, they rule the medias and the politicians (Imran Khan). What a stronghold?

[NokiaWnW]

The US is talking with Taliban because they want them to negotiate. They can not win this war with military power. The US can if their mandate wouldn´t cost them billions of USD a year. Taliban do not need to pay billions of dollars to led the war. They are ''at home'' on their own ground. Actually US does not care about Taliban, just using them as an excuse. That´s why there are rumors they will give some southern provinces to Taliban. Even if the Taliban negotiate, for most they will remain a threat and still legitimate US just to focus itself on the profitable regions of Afghanistan which is mostly the north. If the population support is no there, you can not win. US failed in kandahar while Canadians were welcomed and the Talibs were erased. When US again came, Talibs came, too. You wish US making the same BS they did in Iraq with 600 000 Iraqi civilians? That would be easy for them and surely all TALIBAN were erased. As Musharaf said if they want to fight the Taliban they need to fight all the people. The NA is not a problem, as well Karzai. Karzai become a noone and in the case of NA they will be backed and armed if war comes. You don´t understand that Taliban rule means PAKISTANI RULE. 1996-2001; 80% of Afghanistan was taken over by Pakistan. Hamid Gul was ruling in Kandahar. Colonel Imam was ruling in Herat. Parvez Musharaf was directing the fight against Ahmad Shah Massoud, directly. Pakistan's press was openly admittin...g that since the military takeover has been achieved, the total political and economic take over should be completed also.

This reality has to be promoted and not hidden by the false talks of the sick tribal fascists like Karzai or you whom serve as the apologist of the Taliban out their affinity to the Taliban's Pashtun ethnicity or ''islamic'' identity or their nationalism. They are sick and never want to acknowledge that they are the running dogs of the enemies of our land and people, YOUR LAND, the land of your ancestors. Remember what Pakis said. Pakistan begins in Panjab and ends in Amu Darya.

[NokiaWnW]

my friend, Taliban were willing for negotiations. You forget that point.

To the history section. Mirwais was asking ottoman and arabs for support against Persia. He also did not fought with Pashtuns against Safavi infidels but also with zoroastrians who fought on his side, as well with Uzbeks, Tajiks and Balochs. After Ottoman and Arabs were brought to their knees the Persians proved it again that they can smash and enslave or torture and erase small Ghundals. Ahmad Shah Abdali was backed by 100 000 Turkmen and Qezelbash soldiers, the elite of his empire. Hadn´t he served his Turkoman Persian master, maybe he was killed, too but it was because of him why Durrani Pashtuns were gifted with Kandahar and why Nader smashed and massacred the Ghilzais for their savagery and pushing them out of Kandhaar, Zabul and parts of Paktia. Abdali´sempire existed because of his Persian administrators and their skill of administration. What do you want to prove us here? You live in a fantasy world. Ghaznawi Turks fought you and massacred you, Mughals and Timurids enslaved hundred thousands of ''Afghanas'', Seldjukes, according to your own myth, raped Bibi Mato and set the ''son of thief'' to the world, the British took half of your land, the Arabs came massacred people and left. And history even goes much more back but that would be to high for you. Which version of history do you believe? How many people live today as refugees outside Afghanistan? How many died, their homes and lands burned? Don´t take much chars or naswar as abaseen told to me lol ... go take some profane education and leave those black Afghani drugs. If you are so powerful why you need Pakistan, Arabs, Chechens and others and why you accept beeing a tool of foreigners, even of your own and worsest enemies like US and China or Rafedhi Iran?

Keep dreaming or wake up and just look around and see reality. In front of your eyes your own people get killed, your heroes aka Taliban get slaughtered, your lands get burned or sold but you do not see it. Maybe it is related with beeing paralyzed and nighmared so you need to produce another world, a fantasy world that´s not existing but just to feel comfortable and forgetting reality. If everyone would be like you guys the entire world would go down.

we have a saying

Pa duya de, aqel manwatara sapti, agal har kas ew del barabar ka

[KhyberKhan]

we get the point man, you were abused as a child.

[NokiaWnW]

Oh man you are pathetic

Your so frustrated u write paragraphs

The US has been desperate for talks you retarded mental case, desperate! They requested

Lmao

No one is shaking in fear about the Northern Alliance

Pashtuns once again make history

look back to your ''history'' and compare it with your current situation. What history? ''Your'' history and pride was made on the shoulders of non-Pashtuns you were always begging to support you (read what´ve written above). From Turks, Mongols, Arabs, Indians to current American and Panjabis. LMAO ''again'' What again? haha wake up my friend. Become a human-beeing, learn to live with everyone in peace before it is to late for you Don´t believe people fear Taliban. The people will again smash Taliban down and cut their tails off. Pakistan is losing trust in her monkies and they slowly turn to NA to talk directly to them. Just listen a bit news. In only one month more than 400 monkies were killed, hundreds injured and captured. People know the nature of Taliban. The most easiest thing would be to push on the red button and Talibs are finished and history. lol

The history and fate of Taliban monkies before Pakistani and Saudi intervene and mass support to them
http://www.economist.com/node/152876 slaughtered like sheeps on Eid ul-Fatr day.

as I told you, Taliban are a weak group. Without Pakistan they will get killed within 2 weeks. Today, even with the support of Pakistan and Arabia it will not possible for them to come and establish themself. Every fractions used the last 10years of break to arm and reorganize themself.

[NokiaWnW]

What a sick country - Imposters Arise

KABUL, Afghanistan — In an insurgency, everyone is an imposter. The enemy wears no uniform and carries no identity card.

Just so with a mullah in Kandahar named Noorul Aziz. After trading his job as a Taliban commander for a cushy post as an Afghan government official, the story goes, he was taken last month by the military coalition on a tour of his old bases, where he made speeches to persuade the locals not to support the insurgency. Except the locals say they never heard of him.



Then there was the Afghan “senator” who instead may have been a Taliban operative. In January, he conned his way into getting a V.I.P. tour of some of the most secret locations in Kandahar, with briefings from the American-backed provincial governor, Tooryalai Wesa, the local head of the Afghan intelligence service and the governor of the strategic district of Dand.
He did not even bother to adopt a real senator’s name. “There was no senator by that name in the entire senate,” said Bismillah Afghanmal, who is a real senator, from Kandahar.



These are hardly isolated cases. In September, a man posing as a Taliban peace envoy traveled from Kandahar to Kabul to meet the head of the High Peace Council, and used a bomb hidden in his turban to assassinate him. The year before, a scammer who persuaded the Americans that he was a high-ranking Taliban official who wanted to talk peace was flown in by a NATO helicopter to meet with President Hamid Karzai, and paid handsomely for his time. In late 2009, a CIA informer who turned out to be a Qaeda plant killed eight people in a suicide attack at an agency outpost.



Mr. Aziz, the supposed Taliban commander, showed up in Kandahar last year with 30 armed men and a letter from the Taliban leadership in Pakistan showing that he had just been appointed the shadow governor of Kunduz Province in the north.



His story was that he did not like it up north so was turning himself in as part of the government’s reintegration program, in which former Taliban fighters are offered access to community and jobs programs. The reintegration program has been off to a slow start, so to get a shadow governor of a province to walk in was a big deal. Governor Wesa and other officials greeted him with bear hugs.



In southern Afghanistan, officials say fewer than 300 Taliban insurgents have turned themselves in under the two-year-old program; many are believed to be opportunists looking for government handouts.



“We have two kinds of Taliban, fake Taliban and real Taliban,” Amanullah Hotaki, the chairman of the Oruzgan Provincial Council, said of those who have turned themselves in there. “The fake are 60 or 70, but the real ones are only five.”



In an interview last year, Mr. Aziz insisted he had been the Taliban commander in the district of Nad Ali in Helmand Province, once one of the most violent places in Afghanistan.



Elders there, however, said they had never heard of him. “We don’t know a Taliban commander by the name of Noorul Aziz,” said Haji Mirwais Khan, a tribal elder. “Maybe he has been called by a pseudonym?”



Western military intelligence officials have also cast doubt on Mr. Aziz’s bona fides. “We don’t know who he is,” said one.



Nonetheless, after his surrender, Mr. Aziz managed to become the provincial director of the Department of Hajj and Religious Affairs, a plum job that in many parts of Afghanistan has been a font of corruption. He was appointed by Governor Wesa, who reportedly also arranged the visit of the mysterious non-senator.



In the senator case, a man calling himself Muhammad Asif Sarhadi said he was a senator from Ghor Province who wanted to start a new museum and open a Kandahar branch. The governor, according to local officials, then gave him introductions to district officials, where he met with police, intelligence and government officials.



“He was not here officially and we did not deal with him officially,” said Zalmai Ayoubi, a spokesman for Governor Wesa. He conceded, however, that “Mr. Sarhadi” talked with officials about security issues as well as museums.



Mr. Aziz, the supposed former Taliban, went on tour last week in Helmand Province, visiting what he said were his former bases from his insurgency days, and meeting NATO coalition soldiers there.



“Meeting face to face with a former Taliban commander gave me mixed feelings to begin with,” said Maj. Kaido Kivistik, commander of an Estonian Army company.



Mixed feelings about Mr. Aziz are common. “We don’t know him, “ said Qari Yusuf Ahmadi, the spokesman for the Taliban in southern Afghanistan. “He’s a sick man and he’s an imposter.”



Emma Watkins, a spokeswoman for the southwest regional command of the NATO-led coalition, which includes Helmand, disputed that Mr. Aziz was not genuine. “I am informed that Mr. Aziz continues to be the director of Haj in Kandahar and in particular he made a speech at the Kandahar peace conference in September last year,” she said.



Turning against the Taliban, whether sincerely or not, has become something of a family business for Mr. Aziz, who was rewarded with a house, bodyguards, money and a job. At least four of his brothers and a father have also turned themselves in — one of them, Abdul Aziz Agha, claimed to have been the Taliban commander in Panjway District, a Taliban stronghold just outside of Kandahar.



In Panjway, no one had ever heard of Mr. Agha, either.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/world/asia/imposters-arise-in-afghanistans-struggle-with-taliban.html?_r=1&ref=afghanistan