I hate Afghan Mujahideen

[Soldat_Amir]

salam

i agree on some points which amir mentioned and he is right about them because history proofed them to be valid !!!

however there are also points which are straight forward wrong .

but as i said before , that are politicis , not deen or religion , as soon as you

bring in religion as a sole justification it starts to become what we have

today ... but its the same if you use religion as an explination , it will fail .


most of the so called mujahedin showed their true faces and are no bit better
than the so called kafir communists against they fought !!! if they were they
would not participate in this goverment nor would they fight together the
americans .


on the other hand most of this so called mujahedins dont represent the afghan people who just defended their country , as isi mullah omar dont represent the afghan people , because they are not fighting for him but for their selfes .

the people are not as stupid as some of us here asume . ...


but what we have to realize and to bring into light is the true reasons of the wars , which and were imposed on us !!!!!

we burden and fight the wars of others and this must stopp !!!!

in the past it was east against west , today its nato/eu/us against iran/china/russia/pakistan/india


they use us as their chees figures and our country as their chessboard , once we realized this and their true intentions , we can pinpoint them down .

but as long people start to talk about bad islamic terrorists or about glorious mujahedin ,the nonsence continiues .

Was Amanullah Khan a kaffir too? he was overthrown by the same Mujahideen and he didnt even have Russians or British supporting him, on the other hand you had the British supporting the Mujahideen to have overthrown because he rid Afghanistan of British Colonism.

The British even distrubted photos of Queen Soraya to the Tribals in AFG to cause a revolt.

This problem was not created by Communism, when there was no Communism nor a Communist in sight in Afghanistan, these Mujahideen were still looking to overthrow Daud over his secular policies and love for education and female rights.

The Communists also prayed and were devot Muslims too but that didnt spare them from the backward Mujahideen who killed little school girls in herat and paraded dead Afghan soldiers around markets.

Communism wheather you like it or not would have freed the poor vulnerable peasants of Afghanistan from the rule of one family the Mohammadzai and the clerics who want to keep Afghanistan in the dark ages.

[abassinafghan]

Communism wheather you like it or not would have freed the poor vulnerable peasants of Afghanistan from the rule of one family the Mohammadzai and the clerics who want to keep Afghanistan in the dark ages.

thats maybe true , with one little exception , you can not free or liberate people
by bombing or kill them !!!!

[roadrunner]

An interesting thread. One Bonga puts up a video and manages to contradict himself, then another Bungi puts up a video that most people have difficulty following.

Combined, the new film shall be Bonga and Bongaer.

[badmash_khel]

Surprisingly i can undrestand most of what your saying eventhough i ain't maseed.

You are entitled to your opinion of hating the mujahideen but just keep in mind that just as we can't generalize all atheists/secularists to be evil, we also can't generalize all mujahideen to be evil. There are evil people among all sects and religions and its not exclusive to religious or the un religious. If you accept this simple fact and concentrate only on those bad mujahiden who kept fighting after Russian withdrawl for power and money then you will have some support. But unfortunately you generalize all mujahideen, even the sincere ones into one group which means you lose the support of a large portion of afghans/pashtuns who have lost family members during the Russian war and its an insult to them.

Instead of ranting and raving about the evils of all these relligious groups, why don't you come up with solutions to bridge the gap between people like yourself and the religious groups?

Maiwand al Afghani's reply is just as bad as the video posted by Soldat. Both are just useless opinion which contribute nothing constructive to the pashtun cause. On one hand we had Soldat putting too much trust in secularism and similar ideas and on the other hand we have Maiwand who puts too much trust in his talibs and similar buddies.

[MostafaM]

Maiwand,

never heard Maseed Pakhto?

Why should he be a British?

Rediculing someone is the first......the last step is him winning....according to Ghandi. ;-)

[Breshna]

so that is the only reason pashtuns are in england, because england needed you?
and yourself? are you from afghanistan?
so these pashtuns that never returned to their countries sice the 2nd world world war, would be interested in these videos.
and what kind of reaction would you expect and would like to see on video, wawrina?

If these people...have contributed so much to United Kingdom.

Why should they...leave.

Most of them are...Business...owners.

Big tax...contributors.

There's so many in...Government.

I don't...know?

Why you thought...as soon as i said...pashtuns.

First you mentioned...Afghanistan.

Then you thought...refugees.

Then you think all...pashtuns... are...violent.

Who said anything...would...happen to...him?

They are highly...educated...people.

Civilized...people.

There not....animals.

It would make the...video...interesting.

Instead of the same...old boring bedroom.

Just him...talking.

[Breshna]

So what are those Pashtuns going to say to Soldat, or as a matter fact will do to him? Should Soldat be scared, and what exactly of? What are you trying to imply, Wawrina?

I cannot watch his video since my net is very slow (in Afghanistan), as long as his discourse is within civil bounds he is all good to express himself freely and if those who have an issue with it they can refute him. His claims are based on academia, books, media and his own personal experience as he is claiming. Can some one refute him on these basis?

I think he needs to balance out, I definitely think so. It is the circumstances some time that leads people toward certain actions and will which Admin Khan have highlighted. But there are times when you are ultimately responsible for your own actions and deeds per se. Soldat has some solid points with regards to Taliban.

I think you Already...answered.

Why i said...that.

In your post...below.

Not all Taliban's are the...same.

Everyone shouldn't be...grouped as...one.

[MostafaM]

We all know that the "resistance" is divisioned in three main groups: Quetta Shura, Miranshah Shurah (Haqqani Network) and parts of old Hisb-e Islami factions.

But what do they do?

Who supplies them?

Who gives the refuge?

And who guides them?

[faye]

If these people...have contributed so much to United Kingdom.

Why should they...leave.

Most of them are...Business...owners.

Big tax...contributors.

There's so many in...Government.

I don't...know?

Why you thought...as soon as i said...pashtuns.

First you mentioned...Afghanistan.

Then you thought...refugees.

Then you think all...pashtuns... are...violent.

Who said anything...would...happen to...him?

They are highly...educated...people.

Civilized...people.

There not....animals.

It would make the...video...interesting.

Instead of the same...old boring bedroom.

Just him...talking.

you're very good at evasion and untruths.

[faye]

soldat, how you can say communism would have been good for afghanistan, i don't know. they also were hardly there for the interest of the afghan people. it was just another strategic invasion, from what i can gather.

[Breshna]

Just use a simple...term.

In other words.

You...just called me a...liar.

[faye]

exactly. but i can use whatever terms.......i wish.........due to your evasiveness.........and..........assumptions ..........as to what i think.
if i want to know what someone thinks, i ask. just like i did to you. i don't just make something up as to what i think is in their heads.

[Soldat_Amir]

Just to let you guys know I will be making a video against Maiwand in due time. I wont be mocking him or making fun of his deen as I can see it upsets him and I respect his freedom to practice whatever faith he wants but I am going to bring up some very valid points on the his heros the Taliban.

First they said your not a Pashtun because you speak English, then they said your not a Pashtun because you didnt wear Khat Partig on the video, then they said you are a CIA agent whose mother must be a European, then they said your a dirty kaffir who should be slaughtered now they say my Pashto is false and wrong.......guess what this I am still standing and I will never surrender to their insults.

Funny thing is, I am receiving 10's of PMs through facebook from people in Pakhtunkhwa saying stop talking about Afghan Mujahideen, we already know they were failures but speak up against the Taliban, and guess what, "Most" say this are born, bred and living in Pakhtunkhwa and the most amusing thing is I am being called a imperialist lovers by a bunch of British/American left wing Ron Paul supporters who are not even Pashtun.

Like Borat wileee weee "Its a great Success"

[Soldat_Amir]

An interesting thread. One Bonga puts up a video and manages to contradict himself, then another Bungi puts up a video that most people have difficulty following.

Combined, the new film shall be Bonga and Bongaer.

Ta shoook yeee!!!!! Punjabay!!!!! I am being insulted by a guy who spends most of his time trying to convince us his Punjabi brothers and sisters are not the daughters and sons of Ranjeet Singh.

Dude.....the last time I went to Islamabad I thought I was in Calcutta 1920's.

The whole world knows ISI supported the Afghan Mujahideen if you want references or evidence go and ask your ISI retired Generals such as General Yousuf, Col Imam, Hamid Gul and co.

if you have anything constructive besides insulting me as if your my Mashar elder then keep that chapped lips of yours shut.

Even though Maiwand Al Afghani would probably slice my neck open with a few takbeeers I would never hate him since he is my fellow Pakhtun regardless of who he is.

[Manzareh]

Just to let you guys know I will be making a video against Maiwand in due time. I wont be mocking him or making fun of his deen as I can see it upsets him and I respect his freedom to practice whatever faith he wants but I am going to bring up some very valid points on the his heros the Taliban.

First they said your not a Pashtun because you speak English, then they said your not a Pashtun because you didnt wear Khat Partig on the video, then they said you are a CIA agent whose mother must be a European, then they said your a dirty kaffir who should be slaughtered now they say my Pashto is false and wrong.......guess what this I am still standing and I will never surrender to their insults.

Funny thing is, I am receiving 10's of PMs through facebook from people in Pakhtunkhwa saying stop talking about Afghan Mujahideen, we already know they were failures but speak up against the Taliban, and guess what, "Most" say this are born, bred and living in Pakhtunkhwa and the most amusing thing is I am being called a imperialist lovers by a bunch of British/American left wing Ron Paul supporters who are not even Pashtun.

Like Borat wileee weee "Its a great Success"

stop crying go get a job, stop bitching stop lying

why dont you make videos on USA depleting uranium in Afghanistan?