New Video : US Marines peeing on dead Afghans

[Ghundal]

Well, it is in fact a matter of fact that some of these Hazara websites lie to make a case for continued war.

The Taliban did commit crimes when the killed many farsiwan men they thought to be militia members ( militia and non-militia) at Mazar. This is widely documented by many sources. This was an attempt to suppress a rebellion. Mohaqiq and Dostum ( warlords) ran away from Mazar at this time. They had been part of the civil war. The crime that they committed was also killing innocent bystanders who had nothing to do with Mohaqiq or Dostum.

There is no evidence or reports that dead bodies were desecrated. This is against Islamic customs

There is no documentation of crimes against children/women at those occurrences

In addition to this, conservative and especially religious Pashtuns do not target children/ women.

This is a valid fact.

[Ghundal]

Having said that, Dostum and Mohaqiqs ethnic farsiwan militias were in fact committing many crimes against the population there regardless of ethnic background. Pashtuns, Tajiks, Hazaras, and Uzbeks were all targeted by Dostum and Mohaqiq's forces

They were warlords after all

Many Pashtuns were especially targeted before the event at Mazar took place.

[khushal]

according to khushal we can't trust the word of hazaras or the taliban so we need to go to an independent source.
sounds as though the afghans have created a lot of liars, lol.
if i want to know about islam, is an indepentant source to find out about it, a scientologist, an athiest, the parents of a victim of the bali bombing?
if i want to know about african slavery in america and what that was like do i go and ask a chinaman in china or slaves?
so any claims from pashtuns about having to leave afghanistan due to wars, should i believe them or look for an independent source?

You are about as stupid as they come.

African slavery s documented by the slave masters and the slave masters dont deny it, there is too much evidence that it happened.
If you want to know about Islam, read the quaran, the quaran represents Islam. Your so stupid that does not even make sense. Knowing about Islam is not an accusation of a crime.

Your accusing someone of doing a crime and you have to bring sources that are unbiased. You told me to go to hazara website to read about the mass rapes and I told you to go to a taliban website and they deny it. So who should we beleive.
Your stupidity has blinded you and decide to beleive one side. I say its ones word against another and we need to look for evidence. I cant find any evidence and you cant either.

You remind of those white people that would take the word of a white girl who accused a black man of rape and the white mob would lynch the black man without any evidence because they hate the black man. Your stupidity has no limit, with age comes wisdom, but your mind becomes worthless.

[faye]

dear, i don't know that the taliban kept paperwork about their behaviour, so, as you appear to trust RAWA, google rawa-how the taliban slaughtered thousands of people
or-rawa member reports from massacre by taliban in yakaolang.
un-mass graves of hazara.
there are also links to other articles on those pages.
my links never seem to work.

[KhyberKhan]

Islamic Emirate has the following remarks about the video disclosed by the media in which American soldiers are shown urinating on the bodies of three Afghans with complete disrespect after martyring them: With the advent of the now decade old occupation of Afghanistan by the American invaders and their allies, our oppressed people have become witnesses and targets on a daily basis, in one or the other part of the country, to the various abuses, war crimes and actions contrary to all the all the human and ethical norms.

During this ten year occupation, the American soldiers have tortured our people under various names, repeatedly abused our holy Quran and other inviolable, have burnt our dead, have inhumanely killed our women and children and have now carried out malevolent actions against our martyrs in which they initially martyred our innocent countrymen and then urinate on their bodies. Those things which appear in the media every now and again are only a small fraction of the crimes which are perpetrated by the American soldiers.

As done in previous times, we once again strongly condemn such inhumane acts carried out by the barbaric American soldiers and consider them contrary to all the human and ethical norms. Along this we also call on the United Nations and other Human Right groups to block such inhumane acts of the hypocritical America and put into practice the humanitarian slogans which are always exclaimed by these organizations. On the other hand we would also like to inform the American invaders that such actions will never weaken the will of the Muslim and noble Afghan nation and neither will it affect our fast paced Jihadi process but it will rather act as a catalyst in bringing about a swifter end of the American occupation. It is not far that the American invaders shall be witnesses to the consequences of such actions and shall have to confront the extra wrath and hatred of the Afghan masses.

The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan
18/02/1433
12/01/2012

[randolph85]

the fact is that american soldiers are ****in redneck trash. if they are not involved in atrocities in afghanistan, then they are getting into fights in clubs, hitting mail boxes with bats, and getting arrested for shoplifting or dui. they take the lowest of the low in america and send them to afghanistan with guns and authority.

but then the people who are apologetic to these "people" will talk about the stress of war lol what stress? they are more likely to be killed or injured driving on a highway in america than they are serving in afghanistan. these soldiers are subhuman ****.

[Manzareh]

i responded to an article about taliban response which you may not have noticed.
i am not trying to justify this act. somewhere, on one of the threads about it, i classified it as a crime. what i was saying is, that i have read reports that claim that taliban have been accused of mistreating the dead, by hazaras. apparently all hazaras are liars though, so we can't take their word for anything. probably because they are shias, who we all know are the lowlifes of the muslim world, right?

Khushal thinks a hazara website would be biased - nobody said all hazaras are liars, and i didnt say anything about shia's or lowlifes of the world.

[faye]

i didn't mean to aim that at you. i was being sarcastic about khushals response and some other anti shia comments i have seen on pf.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Not necceasarily.
Humans are more emotional when crimes are done by outsiders. For example, Americans were very upset when 911 happened, they put all their resources together to get one man, but when something like the oklahoma city bombing was done by one of their own, people are not as emotional and actually start questioning what is wrong with thier own society that one of their own would do something like this. When Afghans are doing crime agaisnt their own, Afghans would question what is wrong with their own society and would work to correct it, but that cant happen when foreign guns are running around loose in the country.
There is a different reaction to domestic crimes vs crimes done by outsiders.

I agree. The fact is that the Afghan people have suffered the most horrendous treatment that any nation has suffered in these last few decades. That maltreatment has come at the hands of pre-Soviet occupation terrorists sent by Pakistan, Soviet troops, Arabs, Uzbek and Tajik warlords and the Taliban. Now, it's the US that is not only humiliating ordinary Afghans by storming into their homes and typing up all the men and making them kneel down but also by these occasional grotesque acts of barbarism.

LZ,

List me the crimes you talk about?

The same goes right back at you. On one hand you want to talk about crimes you claim are committed by Mullahs, but then wish to be blind to this. You really calling a spade a spade?

No

I wish to be blind to this? Where? How?

There were numerous civilian massacres during the Afghan civil war. Many of them were carried out by the Taliban. After 2001, the Northern Alliance killed hundreds of Taliban prisoners. There is plenty of documentary evidence for these incidents if you have Google.

http://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/reports98/afghan/

http://afghanistanjusticeproject.org/warcrimesandcrimesagainsthumanity19782001.pdf

Now before you try to say that Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International are Uncle Tim (whatever that means), know that these organizations have published even more damning reports about atrocities committed by the US and Israel.

[khushal]

I agree. The fact is that the Afghan people have suffered the most horrendous treatment that any nation has suffered in these last few decades. That maltreatment has come at the hands of pre-Soviet occupation terrorists sent by Pakistan, Soviet troops, Arabs, Uzbek and Tajik warlords and the Taliban. Now, it's the US that is not only humiliating ordinary Afghans by storming into their homes and typing up all the men and making them kneel down but also by these occasional grotesque acts of barbarism.

I would agree with the first sentence but I differ with you on the rest.

Anything that happened before the soviet invasion was domestic issues that the afghans would have settled amongst themselves. The soviet invasion changed all that and was actually a blessing to the pak, arab, and the rest of the so called terrorists that you despise so much. Foreign intervention(soviet and american) is the reason that the afghan nation has suffered so much. preventing the afghan nation to evolve naturally is prolonging that suffering.

[khushal]

dear, i don't know that the taliban kept paperwork about their behaviour, so, as you appear to trust RAWA, google rawa-how the taliban slaughtered thousands of people
or-rawa member reports from massacre by taliban in yakaolang.
un-mass graves of hazara.
there are also links to other articles on those pages.
my links never seem to work.

Your argument was about rape and now your changing the subject.

I know all that but as I said before, it were the hazaras that violated the peace agreement and slaughtered 3000+taliban that started the bloodshed that went back and forth. does the hazara website talk about that, ofcourse not, why would they.

The most viable ethnic group against the pashtuns are the Tajiks, and there were no mass killings between the two groups.

[Afghanistan2010]

go to hazara websites to read eyewitness and victim reports. i did not say mass rape but there are reports of cature of girls and women and rapes.
it is no use to just educate yourself about one side of a situation. there are always at least 2.

the edge is hazara website,
okay to demonstrate it to you and refute your claims you should read the following slowly and eat hot chocolate.

anyways :

If i hate you and i want that all people should hate you too,and i make a website and im your worst foe,will i write anything about you positive and the truth only?...just think?

if hazara website says it , are there no other sources to support this very claim further ?...

Pashtun website says : Hazara raped pashtun women ...so what?
Pashtun website says : Hazara have multiple incest at night ... so what ?
These are just accusation without proof,everyone is a victim (of himself)
There is a quotation which says :

When history is written murderers are heroes

,

and another quotation says :

ONE MANS TERRORIST IS THE OTHER MANS HERO

[Afghanistan2010]

dear, i don't know that the taliban kept paperwork about their behaviour, so, as you appear to trust RAWA, google rawa-how the taliban slaughtered thousands of people
or-rawa member reports from massacre by taliban in yakaolang.
un-mass graves of hazara.
there are also links to other articles on those pages.
my links never seem to work.

Your trust of RAWA will vanish after this :

Rawa has a report on an incident like this :

<H1>Afghanistan: Taliban Jihadists Drag Four Women From Their House, Execute Them…

Unable to locate the soldier, the insurgents killed the women in the house and tied up and beat the males


Taliban killed four women and beat up two male relatives of a ANA soldier in Kunar, Afghanistan. (Photo: http://weaselzippers.us/2011/04/30/a...-execute-them/)
Insurgents raided the home of a soldier from the Afghan National Army, beat and tied up two male relatives and murdered four female relatives in Barabat-Jaba village, Kunar province, April 25.
Reports from the area state that the women, a wife, mother, sister and 4-year-old daughter of the ANA soldier, were shot to death in their home by the insurgents who were looking for the soldier because they believed he was passing information to Coalition Forces.
Unable to locate the soldier, the insurgents killed the women in the house and tied up and beat the males.
The ANA Soldier has returned home from his duty-station in Kandahar after hearing about his murdered family.
The incident is still under investigation by the Afghan Border Police.

Category: Taliban, HR Violations - Views: 3376

Read more: http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2011...#ixzz1jYGNDzGb</H1>

Now i tried to locate the source,but there is no source beside that of NATO on this you can search in the internet until you die there is no source on this , therefore this news can't be accepted,if it was that case,there must have been an outcry on this.


so this is from NATO (may allah let them suffer on the hands of the muslims)

http://www.isaf.nato.int/article/isa...-province.html

conclusion : spreading propaganda.

[Ghundal]

Oh LZ,

You are distorting and going against the historical record.

Militant secularist/communist activity was going on during Daud Khans rule. Daud khan was no secular enough. These militant Communists then murdered Daud Khan and his entire family, giving way to their Communist revolution. They tried to impose an unwanted ideology upon the Afghan people. They then supported the Soviet war, this all resulted in a backlash from the Afghan population.

In the aftermath of the Soviet war, infighting arose between different Afghan factions, there was disorder and chaos that gave way to murder and crime,

The Taliban were a response to this disorder and crime. Their rise to power actually was in the initial act of delivering brutal justice to a child rapist.

The Taliban did not formally exist during the war against the Soviets or during the ensuing civil war in the aftermath of the Soviet defeat.

All this starts with militant communist subversive and UNWANTED activity in Afghanistan
This is the historical record

[faye]

no problem. whatever you want to believe, you will believe. whatever i want to believe, i will believe ;-)
the americans had their eye on afghanistan before 9/11, anyway, because of taliban having training camps for hijad against the west and osama in the country. so you can blame them for americans being there and doing obscene activities to dead bodies.