Split Discussion: Arabs

[al-arab]

ok. since you don't appear to be very self aware or capable of revision of your own comments.
karachi says= i don't hate arabs
al-arab then proceeds to say= and everyone knows your stance on arabs and hatred for them.
do you continue to harass karachi because GOE commends it? GOE harasses all the members with connections to pakistan on the forum, who don't totally agree with everything he says.

Grow up Faye, you told me that you are 63 years apparently. You know that I am independent on this forum as I am an foreigner.

Is this a joke? He says so but look at his comments. I could give you a lot of examples.

Just in this thread he has written that most Gulf Arabs are bad people. Is that not to generalize? Is that not racism?

How can you not see this?

Is the best thing you can come up with really that I have said that I know Karachi well enough to know that he is anti-Arab? Many other users have said the same.

No other user than Karachi has accused me of racism.

Does those facts not ring a bell in your mind?

Karachi:

That is fine but you have said yourself, just in this thread, that you are an muhajir and your parents are originally from Delhi. That is in India. And Mujahirs are Indian muslims. You know this and I know this so let us stop prentending otherwise. That's what I have essentially said that is all.

Ghundal:

As I wrote, 98 percent of the mujahideen were locals just like 98 percent of the mujahideens in Iraq and Palestine were Iraqis and Palestinians. This is normal.

But to down play the ecnomic and contribution of Arabs during the Soviet-Afghan war would not make much sense. There were thousands of Arab Mujahideen in Afghanistan during the spell of 10 years. But let us not discuss this since we seem to agree with the basics.

[Michin Khel]

[QUOTE=Karachi;573499]

lol are you trying to insult me calling me indian lol? shows how racist you are, even pakistan was founded by indian muslims for the most part

also I have lived in saudi for close to 15 years, I know what I am talking about, and in fact it is a known fact for many people who have lived in the gulf or have come in contact with the locals there, some are nice yes, but most are just hypocritical and racist who think they are better than others.

In fact you remind me of them, your behavior is exactly the same

"Strange when you are basically an Indian Muslim from Pakistan...."

^Brother karachi you have recieved a classic arabic racist comment
You have spent quite a time in saudi and i have spend few years in qatar, we both know how much racist people are the rich golf arabs.....they themselves have brown faces but look down upon brown pakistanis, indians and bengalis but give splendid hospitality to whites......

[al-arab]

true, some people are trying really hard to put words in my mouth that I am not even saying.

I will admit that I have said some judgmental things about gulf arabs, but that mainly comes from the experiences I and many people I know have had with them. In fact there are even news paper articles about this I can bring forward

^but again even after that, I am also at the same time saying, that there are good people among them also

Well that would be fine if you would not criticize Arabs and talk badly about them every other day as you do. There is an difference between pointing out bad habbits of people (I have done so about Arabs on many occasions on this forum) and to generalize like you have done several times, even in this thread where you called must Gulf Arabs bad people. If that is not to generalize and racism I do not know. I am quoating your own words so now don't say that you did not say that, as you said to me that you never had criticized Pashtuns in an earlier discussions with me, just to be caught as an liar the next same day by GEO who quoted some of your posts where you wrote that Pashtuns should be destoryed.

[Karachi]

Grow up Faye, you told me that you are 63 years apparently. You know that I am independent on this forum as I am an foreigner.

Is this a joke? He says so but look at his comments. I could give you a lot of examples.

Just in this thread he has written that most Gulf Arabs are bad people. Is that not to generalize? Is that not racism?

How can you not see this?

Is the best thing you can come up with really that I have said that I know Karachi well enough to know that he is anti-Arab? Many other users have said the same.

No other user than Karachi has accused me of racism.

Does those facts not ring a bell in your mind?

Karachi:

That is fine but you have said yourself, just in this thread, that you are an muhajir and your parents are originally from Delhi. That is in India. And Mujahirs are Indian muslims. You know this and I know this so let us stop prentending otherwise. That's what I have essentially said that is all.

Ghundal:

As I wrote, 98 percent of the mujahideen were locals just like 98 percent of the mujahideens in Iraq and Palestine were Iraqis and Palestinians. This is normal.

But to down play the ecnomic and contribution of Arabs during the Soviet-Afghan war would not make much sense. There were thousands of Arab Mujahideen in Afghanistan during the spell of 10 years. But let us not discuss this since we seem to agree with the basics.

who is pretending when i have already said in my first post that my grand parents were from there. why are you even bringing this up, unless you think calling me "indian" will insult me.

[Ghundal]

Al Arab,

I am agreeing with you, it is just that Soldat is trying to say that Afghan resistance to the Soviets was all orchestrated by Arabs in order to deny the basis of Afghan opposition.

[Karachi]

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I know, it's a shame he doesn't even admit to that even a bit

[al-arab]

[QUOTE=Luffy;573533]

[B]

"Strange when you are basically an Indian Muslim from Pakistan...."

^Brother karachi you have recieved a classic arabic racist comment
You have spent quite a time in saudi and i have spend few years in qatar, we both know how much racist people are the rich golf arabs.....they themselves have brown faces but look down upon brown pakistanis, indians and bengalis but give splendid hospitality to whites......

Great try to distract the debate from an well-known anti-Arab.

Is calling an Indian and Indian now racist? I think you need to read the contect where I wrote it.

So I could use the same logic and say that he is racist simply because he called me an Arab? Or maybe you are an racist because you call Pashtun people, Pashtun people? What a strange logic?

Everyone knows that mujahirs are Indian Muslims. You also know very well what the word mujahir means and that they are not indegenous to the territory of Pakistan. So why claim otherwise and pretend that it is not truth? He himself has said in this thread that he is an Muhajir and from New Delhi orginally. He has also said that he is not ashamed of his ancestry?

So what is the problem?

And I am not an Gulf Arab so your critic does not apply for me. Also you generalize like Karachi.

You call others racist but you generalize 40 million people.

Very clever Luffy. Very clever. You do not appear like an hypocrite at all. I will give you that.

[al-arab]

Al Arab,

I am agreeing with you, it is just that Soldat is trying to say that Afghan resistance to the Soviets was all orchestrated by Arabs in order to deny the basis of Afghan opposition.

Exactly brother. This was also my crtic of his posts if you read my posts on this matter

[faye]

grow up??? what do you mean by "grow up"? lol
there is a difference between annoyance, anger, considering others hypoctites and hatred. the man says he doesn't 'hate' arabs.

[tor_khan]

The whole thing about rich Gulf Arabs mistreating poor Pakistanis, Indians and Bengalis is directly equal to rich Pakistanis, Indians and Bengalis themselves mistreating their own kind. Is there a 'version' of mistreatment that is worse perhaps?

... And I have seen how Pashtuns are treated by 'muhajirs' in Karachi.

Anyone who has ever passed through Jinnah International Airport will have seen how Pakistani airport officials fawn over Europeans, as if the raj was not over. Middle-class Pakistanis trying hard to be Angraiz with their affected English deserve a bucket of vomit.

[faye]

meanwhile the rift between muslim sects continues, while you while away your time with this stupidity.

[Karachi]

Yes, his comments prove that.

Answer my question faye. Do you think that saying, like he did in this thread, that most Gulf Arabs are bad people is not to generalize and racism? Which world do you live in?

And yes, just like he told he never said anything bad about Pashtuns just to be caught empty handed after a brother posted an posts of his where he said that Pashtuns should be destroyed.

And answer me on this also:

He is the only user who has accused me of racism on this forum.

In contrast several people have commented on his Arabphobia.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

I am done with this thread, until brother thor-khan makes his reply.

bring that qoute please, it's very easy to lie, spread wrong information and deceive people. you are very good at doing this

[emkhan]

The whole thing about rich Gulf Arabs mistreating poor Pakistanis, Indians and Bengalis is directly equal to rich Pakistanis, Indians and Bengalis themselves mistreating their own kind. Is there a 'version' of mistreatment that is worse perhaps?

... And I have seen how Pashtuns are treated by 'muhajirs' in Karachi.

Anyone who has ever passed through Jinnah International Airport will have seen how Pakistani airport officials fawn over Europeans, as if the raj was not over. Middle-class Pakistanis trying hard to be Angraiz with their affected English deserve a bucket of vomit.

True, these Pakistanis crying over Arabs lol. These Pakistanis in UK mistreat their workers in such bad way you can't imagine. These Pakistani employers are worst than the Arabs I bet.

[Michin Khel]

Salaam Al Arab,

Thank you for showing patience. On the whole, Pashtuns are not anti-Arab. As part of our Pashtunwali we extend Melmastiya to our guests. I have lived with Arabs from all over and count both ends of the Arab world - Morocco and Oman amongst my favourite places of visit. You would be welcome in my home any time; to have you as my guest would be both my duty and honour.

I was glad that you and Soldat appeared to be reaching some common ground - and I think that despite the subsequent exchanges in this thread - common ground does exist. For example, I would go even so far as to say I have seen more commonality with the manner in which Pashtuns have similarities to Arabs than they have to Hindustani Muslims.

The problem appears to stem from taking crude stereotypes of people and pasting them all over which I think we are ready to do too easily. Iraqis and Afghans have suffered greatly over the past and there is no need to glorify violent acts against other humans. If Soldat appears to have done that, then we quite rightly should distance ourselves from that.

It is perfectly reasonable to state that Pashtuns can be Muslim without the need to follow violent ideologies. The Arab presence in Afghanistan is as old as Islam there and the early Arabs melted into Pashtun society and adopted Pashtunwali. Recent history may have altered this perception slightly with some and there is a body of opinion that holds that Arab militancy, financed and supported by Saudi and others in the region is one of the contributing factors that has led to destabilisation in the region. There may be more than an element of truth to this though of course it doesn't speak for the majority of Arabs who have never been to Afghanistan or Pakistan and nor does it mean that every Pashtun who is frank about who is sourcing the militancy, anti Arab or anti Muslim.

Tor khan i observed in Qatar that they were giving different treatment to iranis, balochs and pashtuns. And some arabs had taken pashtun wives....but were not giving their women to pashtuns...on the other hand desis were clearly looked down upon....taking pashtun wives because they are fair skinned and treating pashtuns and iranis better desis means one thing....colourism and racism.
The aborigional qataris were negroid like omanis, the ruling altani family had saudi origin and were brown skinned....i can understand why they are obsessed with skin, through out history they have tried to beautify their race by taking irani and turk wives....

[al-arab]

Care to reply Faye other than one sentence answers like Karachi and Soldat happens to do?

grow up??? what do you mean by "grow up"? lol
there is a difference between annoyance, anger, considering others hypoctites and hatred. the man says he doesn't 'hate' arabs.

Yes, his comments prove that.

Answer my question faye. Do you think that saying, like he did in this thread, that most Gulf Arabs are bad people is not to generalize and racism? Which world do you live in?

And yes, just like he told he never said anything bad about Pashtuns just to be caught empty handed after a brother posted an posts of his where he said that Pashtuns should be destroyed.

And answer me on this also:

He is the only user who has accused me of racism on this forum.

In contrast several people have commented on his Arabphobia.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

I am done with this thread, until brother thor-khan makes his reply.

Karachi:

Is this a joke? Shall I really find your qoutes? As you wish, unlike you I do not invent lies and I am able to prove that you lie unlike you when you make fantasy claims.