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  • #16
    Originally posted by sanman View Post
    PakjabiPrince, your Imran Khan has been getting barely 1% of the vote all these years. Only when Zardari and Nawaz have fallen out of the ISI's graces, then suddenly Imran Khan is being brought forward as a candidate. He is the ISI's latest blue-eyed boy. And if Imran Khan was not around, then his dog would be brought forth as a candidate, because ISI is desperate to put someone in power who is their stooge.
    First of all, it is well known that people who use the term "paki "or "punjabi" in regards to the war in Afghanistan support a heavy handed war against the Pashtuns. The term "paki" in fact is code word for Pashtuns. People just dont want to openly admit they support a heavy handed war (airstrikes and night raids) against Pashtuns. It is an attempt to both justify a position and deny the legitimacy of Afghan opposition and resentment to the US war and occupation. This was apparent at non other then Amarullah Saleh's protests this past year in April (I think). Amarulleh Saleh supports the US war in Afghanistan, and all that goes along with it including the airtstrikes and night raids. Lets put that aside, but a clarification was needed.


    It appears you did not read the article I linked here. Let me post segments, http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakuma...he-afghan-war/

    "Second, Khan is being taken seriously by the international community. New York Times carefully noted his ’soaring popularity’ and Pew already reckons him to be Pakistan’s “most popular political figure.” "

    This is from Pew's website if you were not aware what Pew is. About the Pew Research Center - Pew Research Center

    The Pew Research Center is a nonpartisan "fact tank" that provides information on the issues, attitudes and trends shaping America and the world. It does so by conducting public opinion polling and social science research; by analyzing news coverage; and by holding forums and briefings. It does not take positions on policy issues.


    Now that we put facts aside.

    Imran Khan is ending, if not ended the Pakistan support for the US war and occupation of Afghanistan. His victory is a given at this point. His demand has increased the pressure to make the recent decisions final. Other politicians have followed suit like a domino effect. The people are demanding an end, and it is the end. He has been demanding the end of Pakistan support for the US war and occupation of Afghanistan for the last 7 years. He has not changed his positions at all. Imran has a clean record when it comes to corruption.


    Zardari is a hated man in Pakistan along with his whole cabinet. The Memogate scandal where he was willing to further cooperate with the US and give them a supposed victory in Afghanistan has ruined not only his party's chances of ever recovering from it, but also his son's chances of ever making a dent.

    Nawaz Sharif is as corrupt, and while he makes noise, he has no chance at winning. This is why he like you and others are continuously focused on Imran Khan.

    Bottom line is Imran Khan is a part to everything else coming together to end the US war and occupation of Afghanistan.

    Here are the recent headlines to give you a wake up call.

    Balochistan govt endorses ban on entrance of NATO supplies



    Truckers want Nato supplies stopped permanently


    Its over buddy. You should be glad that Pakistan has finally stopped its support for this inhumane and immoral war on Afghanistan.

    Instead, though, you appear bothered and irritated. It appears you have been supporting Pakistan's support for the US war and occupation of Afghanistan? Interesting?

    My question to you sanman then is "Why do you want Pakistan to support the US war and occupation of Afghanistan?"
    Last edited by Guest; 11-30-2011, 12:08 AM.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by emkhan View Post
      Unknownprince, I was also supporting imran a two years ago as he was independent but now he has gone in isi's hands and you know that whoever goes into isi's hands never remains an independent person. I personally believe that isi is the least trustworthy group on this planet. I will never trust on isi worker even if he is my own brother then how can I trust imran.

      This is mere propaganda done by the pro-US war segment of Pakistan. They want Pakistan to continue to support the US war and occupation of Afghanistan. A reasonable assessment would point towards these types as the source of all the problems. Am talking about the Hussain Haqqanis, the Zardaris who with the Memogate scandal were willing to give US the green light to do multiple operations within "Pakistan." These operations obviously would have targeted FATA and KP.

      They were also wanting to further cooperate and give the US a supposed victory in Afghanistan.

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      • #18
        Imran Khan while being an independent minded person at one hand is fast learning the tricks of the political trade. Perhaps they are required if he's to succeed as the Pakistan's president. His anti-US and anti-India statements are to play to the hardliner crowd. He's too well traveled and liberal to take any hard line stance against the two major external factors and will be a practical person.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
          Salamuna.

          To whom it may concern,
          Jawaboona Admin Jana sanga e?

          Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
          Please educate me on Imran Khan. For now, I have two questions.
          I can't possibly educate you on Imran Khan as I never met him.. But yeah when it comes to voting, I am going to vote for him.. The REASON is quite simple, We've tried every single politician except Imran Khan, so what's wrong in giving him a chance. What IF he is an ISI stooge? What IF he is a thief? I want to say, let him be a stooge let him be a thief who is not a thief? Let's get robbed by a new person.

          Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
          1)How is he different than any other Pakistani president? Is all this drama just to secure some votes?
          Well til day what we see are his speeches.. He didn't get an opportunity to prove himself or what he is saying. Let's give him that specific opportunity and let's hope that he prove himself different. He is the only person who slept on a container in Hayat Abad. Who refused to sleep in PC Karachi and slept on Neti Jeti Bridge in Karachi. He declared almost all of his assets. He says that he is going to hang the *******s let's give him a chance and see whether he does or not

          Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
          2)It's obvious that one would need ISI's approval to become the president, knowing this, how can his policies be any different? We all know ISI is a formidable opponent to any policy which it doesn't find reasonable. As of now, things haven't changed much, what makes us think he will bring a change?
          Well as far as I am concerned, I am not having any sort of high hopes from him regarding the change you are referring to .. Neither was I the one hoping for a U-Turn from Obama. Let it be a change of face atleast. But yes I am hopeful as far as some internal core issues are concerned. Like Justice and peace. Like a piece of bread for the poor. Like the electricity issue. I am hopeful he will solve these issues.

          Well let's hope that he will be the one to control ISI once he is elected. After all according to the constitution he will be superior to ISI. And I hope that ISI will help him to get things in order.
          yao warokay ghwandi baagh ao pa khwa ye seen rawan!

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          • #20
            Admin Khana

            Imran Khan wants to secure the presence of Taliban in the Pashtun region especially in Afghanistan.

            Secondly, his character is pure double standards and two faced.

            He supports Islamic Shariat, while he has done "Zina" with Sita White and his own wife is an apostate and an adulteress.

            He wishes to impose stoning of our women while his Jewish gem is protected.

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            • #21
              We gonna see what he gonna do when he gonna be president

              Wazir are ready to fight the pakistani army and bad talibans

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              • #22
                Imran Khan wants to talk to those Talibans who are ready to negotiate. Those who aren't ready to negotiate will be treated with an iron hand.
                What I don't understand is that when Pakistan launches an operation it's said to be against the Pakhtuns of the region when Pakistan negotiates with them it's said that they want to ensure the presence of Talibans in the Pakhtun areas? :O
                And here we call others double standards? :s
                yao warokay ghwandi baagh ao pa khwa ye seen rawan!

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                • #23
                  1-His successful rally in lahore doesnt mean that he would win majority of seats in elections. He is popular in urban areas only. But due to arrival of chaudri type PML-Q people to his party and spirtual leader like shah mahmud qureshi, he may be able to win in rural areas of Punjab..so atleast can be successful in Punjab.
                  2- Rural sindhis would always vote for bhuttos...no chance for imran khan
                  3- Urban sindh is stronghold of MQM...no chance for imran khan
                  4- Balochs vote for their sardars...pashtun portion of balochistan is split between ANP, PMAP and JUI..again no chance for imran khan

                  5- KPK is always very unpredictable than other provinces. MMA, PPP, ANP all have came into power in KP...Hazara is stronghold of PML-N, but as imran is like a hindkoawan ,so he good chance in hazara..In rest of KPK, PTI was never serious, he was always too busy in his Punjab. Only like Punjabi like Pashtuns like khattaks of karak gave votes to him and he is very popular there. Lakki marwat is neighbour of his Mianwali but he has never visit it and there is no chance that his unknown candidate can win against powerful saifullahs, kabir khan family and JUI. Northren KP has vote banks for ANP, JI, PPP....Dont know what people think about him there, his rally in peshawer was a big failure though.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Shehbaz Khan View Post
                    Imran Khan wants to talk to those Talibans who are ready to negotiate. Those who aren't ready to negotiate will be treated with an iron hand.
                    What I don't understand is that when Pakistan launches an operation it's said to be against the Pakhtuns of the region when Pakistan negotiates with them it's said that they want to ensure the presence of Talibans in the Pakhtun areas? :O
                    And here we call others double standards? :s
                    Imran khan thinks that talibans is the manifestation of Pashtuns revenge...He is calling us pashtuns ,talibans...he is of opinion that taliban is pashtun phenomena...if he wants peace then he should talk with his ISI masters instead...who are responsible for talibanization.. ISI not only support talibans but also coordinate their activities like doing suicide attacks or attacking NATO tankers.

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                    • #25
                      Don't you think it's true that it's a revenge of some sort?
                      ISI masters supports those talibans who attack people in swat, pekhawar, rawalpindi and lahore? If this is what you are saying than good
                      yao warokay ghwandi baagh ao pa khwa ye seen rawan!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Shehbaz Khan View Post
                        Don't you think it's true that it's a revenge of some sort?
                        ISI masters supports those talibans who attack people in swat, pekhawar, rawalpindi and lahore? If this is what you are saying than good
                        Dear terrorists have no religion or ethnicity...talibans are terrorists...and they are not representing pashtuns...
                        About ISI i can not convince you or others...i am not like afghans who know nothing but blame every thing on ISI...In recent years i have come to know deeply about ISI activities in our areas...i have some taliban friends in my home town living freely under ISI..and i have some other sources..i wont disclose details as these ISI walas are really dangerous

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
                          Salamuna.

                          To whom it may concern,

                          Please educate me on Imran Khan. For now, I have two questions.

                          1)How is he different than any other Pakistani president? Is all this drama just to secure some votes?

                          2)It's obvious that one would need ISI's approval to become the president, knowing this, how can his policies be any different? We all know ISI is a formidable opponent to any policy which it doesn't find reasonable. As of now, things haven't changed much, what makes us think he will bring a change?

                          Some humble questions, do share your thoughts and comments.

                          Manana.
                          Walaikum Admin Khan Graana,

                          He's a product of the once Saudi backed Hamid Guls "perfect pakistan" campaign. It included Imran Khan, Abdool Edhi (who backed out) and some doctor, whom the ISI ended up killing after he threatened to reveal everything. The idea was to get the most philanthropic people in the country and have them take control of the government with Islam being the driving force. Gul had done it before as DG ISI when he backed the IJI with Saudi funds (which ended up bypassing him for Saudi funds and calling themselves the PML-N).

                          He doesn't carry the same level of influence but one can be safe in assuming he was one of Imran Khan's original handlers. The only difference I know of between Imran Khan and the other people vying for the top slot(s) in pakistan is that Imran Khan's party hasn't received any external funding (yet!). The PPP, ANP, PML-Q,etc have all at one point received "endowments" from the US and UK government whereas the more religiously inclined groups such as the PML-N, JUIs,etc receive theirs from the Saudi government. We already know the PTI has been given the ISIs blessing.

                          As for change, I don't know if he'll be any different, and here is why I say that. In 1999 when Musharraf took control he was looking for viable candidates for the office of PM. His ideas were similar to that of Hamid Guls, except his government would be more liberal and progressive east of the Indus and the areas west would be controlled by right-wing nut jobs, as was illustrated by the MMA.

                          Imran Khan was one of five names picked and according to many he was said to stand the greatest chance. But, according to Imran Khan, Musharraf was a dictator and it wouldn't be right to throw his weight behind an illegitimate government. Some believe it was because Imran Khan wanted control for himself and the fact that Musharraf was hostile to Gul and his thinking, which Imran is a product of, didn't help either. Whats odd is that when it comes to Pashtuns (all) both Musharraf and Gul possessed a similar policy, i.e. stagnate, indoctrinate and manipulate, but Gul wants pakistan to become a theocracy, hence the support for the IJI (now PML-N), who openly, with ISI help, support the "poonjabi taliban".

                          It's just that Imran has been consistent, and he's done a lot of good humanitarian work; that people are beginning to see him as a viable option who may be able to bring about change within the country. But that all depends on how big a role Shireen Mazari and Hamid Gul or their thinking will play. All I can say is that lets wait and see how this plays out.

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                          • #28
                            Look guys. Its common sense. Its logical and its quite obvious from the things he says.

                            1) he says the Afghan Taliban are Nationalists, which we all know is bull****, and I have refuted this on my article:Punjabi Taliban.
                            2)he says the Haqqanis are the ticket to peace in Afghanistan, why didnt he propose the Hakeemullah as the ticket to peace in Afghanistan, its because Haqqanis are the stooges of Punjabi ISI.
                            3)He says, hes a Muslim and every Muslim has to follow Shariat, but its okay for him to do Zina with Sita White and his apostate Jewish adulteress wife gets freedom from stoning to death under Shariat?(said Sarcastically)
                            4) he supports Taliban Sharia in Swat, and he even spoke of beauties of Taliban law and order, while we all know, the Taliban opposed Music and even banned it, why would a little Pakistani Like Imran Khan hire some of the most Unislamic Punjabi singers to sing at his Political events?????


                            Admin Khana, hes an opportunist! and he will exploit the current situation for his own political votes, at one point he was working to have MQM leader Altaf Hussain arrested, but recently he spoke of having a good relationship with the MQM.

                            When the Pakhtunkhwa renaming issue was hot, he was the guy who went to support the Hazara Punjabi Hindkomars who were burning Pashtun flags.

                            Look at this guy and think very deeply!

                            Immy Talib Khan.jpg

                            Admin Khana

                            Imran Khan is your regular two faced Punjabi who is using the emotions and miseries of the Pashtun people for his own political career.

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                            • #29
                              AZ4ER,
                              I hope you are in good health.

                              That was an extremely informative post. I really, really enjoyed reading it. I was wondering if you could further elaborate on the movement, or perhaps forward me some articles here.

                              Soldat_Amir,
                              Awesome findings. I was just wondering if you could help me find the evidence of those claims. I would appreciate it.
                              Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                              A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                              For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                              The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                              -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
                                AZ4ER,
                                I hope you are in good health.

                                That was an extremely informative post. I really, really enjoyed reading it. I was wondering if you could further elaborate on the movement, or perhaps forward me some articles here.

                                Soldat_Amir,
                                Awesome findings. I was just wondering if you could help me find the evidence of those claims. I would appreciate it.
                                Zma vrora

                                all you got to do is google or youtube

                                1)Imran Khan zina sita white
                                2)Imran Khan Haqqani ticket to peace
                                3)look at the recent PTI political event
                                4)youtube..Imran Khan sharia taliban

                                I am sure Toramana has already posted a few videos of him.

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