They talk of human rights?

[شمله ور خراساني]

I post primarily on the religion section of a primarily Muslim board -- there is enough hatred and abuse of the US that I don't need to bring it up -- and it would just be talk. Not many here are in power to change the course of the US, so I go to other venues to make those changes. Many here, do, however, have the ability to change the course of Islam -- so I discuss that. I know how you feel about the US, I don't need to learn why you condemn it's actions -- in many times I agree with you. I don't understand how you can support the violations of human rights -- so I ask about that -- to learn.



Sorry you feel the need to resort to lies about me -- or are you confused as to my posting history? I have not once ignored or even downplayed the 'crimes' of the US, I simply try to bring both sides to the table and encourage an open, intelligent discussion, since the population is very biased on one side of this issue.



IT seems to be a universal trait -- as the 'believeing' have it, too, as you so clearly show. Thank you for that.

Not only are disbleivers a bunch of hypocrites, but they also suffer from short memory.

Did the Muslims attack America first? America is the reason why young people in Muslim countries are left with no other choice than to resort to acts of violence against America and its allies.

It was not the Muslims who helped dictators and tyrants to become the leaders of countries in order to steal the resources and let the population starve. It was America and its allies who did that.

Muslims did not invite Jews to create a fascist state in the middle east. Neither did the Muslims arm the Jews and gave them billions of dollars to develop weapons to kill innocent people.

So the problem entirely lies on the side of disbelievers and hypocrites.

You cause problems for others and you expect us to change to suite your desires.

But allah has promised the Muslims victory. And victory shall be ours. America is loosing the war and sooner or later will crumble just like Soviet Union crumbled.

You can rant all you want. But the unjust you and your kind is causing around the world will not go unpunished. Allah will punish you with the most horrific punishment for your crimes and ranting against Islam.

If I were you I would repent and convert to Islam because the hell-fire is an endless torment for you and you will not be able to escape it.

[Son of Mountains]

China beating USA? Maybe in a century.

you westernized kids will see this fact soooooon, in your lives this will happen inshaAllah

[ozymandias]

you westernized kids will see this fact soooooon, in your lives this will happen inshaAllah

Hopefully not -- China is almost as bad a violator of human rights as many Islamic countries. About the only thing they have going for themselves is the fact that they only force their ways on their own citizens.

[tor_khan]

Hopefully not -- China is almost as bad a violator of human rights as many Islamic countries. About the only thing they have going for themselves is the fact that they only force their ways on their own citizens.

Well then maybe the US still has something to learn.

[Son of Mountains]

Hopefully not -- China is almost as bad a violator of human rights as many Islamic countries. About the only thing they have going for themselves is the fact that they only force their ways on their own citizens.

You will say china bad, bcz china is a living nation who refused to accept hegemony of english people. So that I salut china

[ozymandias]

You will say china bad, bcz china is a living nation who refused to accept hegemony of english people. So that I salut china

Please do not put words into my mouth. I say they are bad because they violate their citizens rights to free speech, free education, and free religion. They oppress and restrict the rights of their citizens, violate common decency when it comes to environmental and workplace standards, and unnecessarily cause suffering of the masses to provide comfort for the wealth.

They have every right to self determination, but without an educated populace that can freely and openly express opinions and political views, and without fair elections they are not self determinating -- they are allowing the hands of the few to control the whole country.

[ozymandias]

Well then maybe the US still has something to learn.

I'm sorry but 'human rights' steps above and beyond 'their ways'. Regardless of country or religion, all human beings have an inherent right to exercise their rights, and this right needs to be defended.

I was speaking of the fact that China does not attempt to use force to make the rest of the word follow their human-rights-violating ways. If they were to be an international defender of human rights, I would be applauding them.

[tor_khan]

I'm sorry but 'human rights' steps above and beyond 'their ways'. Regardless of country or religion, all human beings have an inherent right to exercise their rights, and this right needs to be defended.

I was speaking of the fact that China does not attempt to use force to make the rest of the word follow their human-rights-violating ways. If they were to be an international defender of human rights, I would be applauding them.

I like the idea of human rights. I really do. I think human rights are worth fighting for and defending.

The US does not interfere in foreign policies because it is driven by a love of those principals. Capital interest comes first and human rights is way down the list of priorities.

[شمله ور خراساني]

I will respond to your images of *CRIMINALS* violating the law, and orders, by presenting a video poem about the the *LAWS* founded upon and supported by your religion.

You post criminal acts and blame the country that outlaws those actions, and punished the criminals. I post 'legal' acts and blame the countries and religion that supports them:
Sharia Law



She's buried chest high
Her arms can't stop the stones that fly
or wipe the tears that have already dried
for a crime she so persistently denied
She's buried chest deep
The moderates asleep
No matter how hard she weeps
Worth half of a man, her testimony's cheap
Allah subhana wa ta'ala has come up with such a fair rule
Dictators of history couldn't be so cruel
Told by Mohammed sallahu alhe wa salam
Teaching us Allah's divine referendum
What becomes of those who have a sip of rum
Drinks to forget or wants to be numb
or those who play the game of chance
Poker buddies escaping the religious trance
Allah's prescribed in his merciful script
Their flesh be ripped their blood be dripped
at the tip of a muslims whip
She's buried chest high
Her arms can't stop the stones that fly
or wipe the tears that have already dried
for a crime she so persistently denied
and this is allah's eternal reply
1400 years of backwards law
A tragic flaw of the primitive claw
The tribe of homosexuals
Koum lot as they say
Sharia is clear on how they should pay
The price for their gay display
Life doesn't matter which way
Abu baker got them with a tumbling wall
Ali muhammad's cousin and son in law
Had people burned for their sexual call
An entire village children and all
She's buried chest deep
The moderates asleep
No matter how hard she weeps
Worth half of a manher testimony's cheap
Apostates remember those who have bled
To speak the word Muslims leave unsaid
Killed for the sake of those mislead
Submit now or be left dead
allah subhana wa ta'ala has come up with such a fair rule
The devil himself couldn't be so cruel
She's buried chest high half way deep
While the moderates are still fast asleep
While the world stands silent
Her testimony's cheap.
Stones thrown by religious sheep.
Witches were burned long ago
til the flame of freedom began to glow
and we learned to say the word 'no'
No know that your laws are unjust
not worthy of respect only disgust
Beheading those with a knifes thrust
Oh but in Allah we blindly trust
She's buried head high
in a heap of stones.
No more crying no more moans
All that's left is skin and bones
Allah has come up with such a fair call
The true justice of sharia law
by nessrriinn.

What a hypocrite. The president of United States and Defence Secretary Rumsfeld ordered those people to torture Iraqis. And they even admitted it. It is widely reported. Yet America does not prosecute any of them.

Because the whole country and its legal system supports gross violations of "human rights".

[akbarkhan]

In an interview earlier this week, Vice President Cheney admitted to personally approving the torture of high-profile detainees. In a new interview with the Washington Times, Cheney stridently defended the Bush administration’s torture policies, saying, “I feel very good about what we did. I think it was the right thing to do.” He added emphatically that he would “do exactly the same thing again.”

[tor_khan]

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