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    Pakistan's Taliban movement, a major security threat to the country, is holding exploratory peace talks with the US-backed government, a senior Taliban commander and mediators told Reuters on Monday.
    The discussions are focused on the South Waziristan region on the Afghan border and could be expanded to try to reach a comprehensive deal.
    The Taliban, who are close to al Qaeda, made several demands, including the release of prisoners, said the commander.
    An ethnic Pashtun tribal mediator described the talks as "very difficult".
    The United States, the source of billions of dollars of aid vital for Pakistan's military and feeble economy, may not look kindly on peace talks with the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), which it has labelled a terrorist group.
    Past peace pacts with the TTP have failed to bring stability, and merely gave the umbrella group time and space to consolidate, launch fresh attacks and impose their austere version of Islam on segments of the population.
    "Yes, we have been holding talks but this is just an initial phase. We will see if there is a breakthrough," said the senior Taliban commander, who asked not to be identified.
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    "Right now, this is at the South Waziristan level. If successful, we can talk about a deal for all the tribal areas," he said, referring to Pashtun lands along the Afghan border.
    The TTP, which is allied with the Afghan Taliban movement fighting US-led NATO forces in Afghanistan, is entrenched in the unruly areas along the porous border.
    Pakistan has come under pressure to eradicate militancy since US special forces in May killed Osama bin Laden in a Pakistani town, where he had apparently been living for years.
    Pakistan's government and military have said they had no idea bin Laden was in Pakistan and have yet to explain the intelligence gap.
    The operation enraged Pakistan's military, which said it was a violation of sovereignty, and then reduced cooperation on intelligence critical for US efforts to stabilise the region as it winds down combat operations in Afghanistan.
    Speculation on peace talks has been rife since the government said in a September all-party conference on a crisis in relations with the United States that it would attempt negotiations with militants to bring peace.
    "We never wanted to fight to begin with," said the senior Taliban commander. "Our aim was to rid Afghanistan of foreign forces. But the Pakistani government, by supporting America, left us no choice but to fight."
    Since bin Laden's death, the TTP has vowed to attack Western targets abroad.
    Pakistani military and government officials were not immediately available for comment.
    "This is a very difficult stage. We have had three rounds in the last two months, but there seems to be no result," said one of the tribal elders involved in the talks.
    "It is too difficult to say if there will be a breakthrough, but we are moving in the right direction."
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    The TTP was formed in 2007 and is blamed for many of the suicide bombings across nuclear-armed Pakistan, one of the world's most unstable, but strategically important countries.
    Its founder, Baitullah Mehsud, was killed by a US drone aircraft missile strike in northwest Pakistan in 2009.
    The group has staged audacious attacks on government installations, even army headquarters near the capital, and the violence has also killed many civilians.
    While its activities have been almost entirely confined to Pakistan, the TTP has shown an interest in expanding its range under the banner of al Qaeda.
    A suicide bombing at a US base in Afghanistan's Khost province in 2009, carried out by a Jordanian national, killed seven Central Intelligence Agency employees.
    In video footage released after the attack, the bomber was shown sitting with TTP leader Hakimullah Mehsud, a stark illustration of growing links between the Pakistani insurgents and foreign militants.
    A Pakistani-born American who tried to set off a car bomb in New York's Times Square last year told a US court he got bomb-making training and funding from the Pakistani Taliban.
    The TTP staged a series of attacks to avenge bin Laden's death. They claimed responsibility for an attack on a naval base in Pakistan's biggest city and commercial capital Karachi in May which embarrassed the powerful military.


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    Hakimullah rejected any peace deals with the napak government.
    High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Afghanistan2010 View Post
      Hakimullah rejected any peace deals with the napak government.
      This goes to show your general knowledge of the TTP.

      You do know, Hakeemullah was educated in a Masjid in Punjab?

      You do know, Wali Ur Rehman wants peace talks with Pakistan but through a country like "Saudi Arabia".

      You know, Mullah Nazeer and Gul Badahur do not get along with Hakeemullah because of his supporter to Anti State Uzbeks?

      You do know, Qari Hussain is a Hakeemullah's cousin, and him and Baitullah are all related.

      You do know, Hakeemullah is not against Pakistan, but against its goverance.

      You do know Hakeemullah considers himself a Proud "Pakistani" and not an Afghan?

      If your trying to assume, Hakeemullah is some what a Pashtunistan fighter, then you need some education on him.

      Colonel Imam’s death shows Taliban losing control in Pakistan borders

      The former Pakistani spy and founder of the Taliban, Colonel Imam, who was honoured for his part in Charlie Wilson’s War, was murdered by extremists in the lawless tribal areas indicating that the Taliban has now lost control in Pakistan borders


      Colonel Imam was eventually captured by Pakistan Taliban leader Hakimullah Mehsud Photo: REUTERS













      By Dean Nelson, Ben Farmer in Islamabad and Ashfaq Yusufzai in Peshawar

      5:36PM GMT 24 Jan 2011



      Colonel Imam, a senior figure in Pakistan’s ISI intelligence agency, was credited with training several leaders of the current Taliban-led insurgency to fight the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s.


      He was honoured by President George Bush for playing a key role in 'Charlie Wilson’s War’, the Congressman who launched Operation Cyclone, a programme to organise and support the Afghan mujahideen in their resistance to the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.


      He remained a strong supporter of the Taliban-led insurgency against Nato forces after it was ousted in 2001, but was kidnapped in North Waziristan in March last year along with another former ISI spy and a British television journalist.

      On Monday night sources close to one Taliban faction in North Waziristan said the group was holding an inquiry to establish which faction had killed him and warned those responsible will be killed.


      Pakistani analysts said his murder revealed the weakness of the main Afghan Taliban leadership in North Waziristan and challenged Washington’s claim that the tribal area is a stronghold of Taliban-led insurgents attacking Nato forces in Afghanistan. The United States has said a Pakistan Army offensive against militant ’safe havens’ in North Waziristan is vital to any victory against the Afghan insurgency.


      “It shows the CIA argument that North Waziristan is the hub of fighting against the Americans is farcical,” said Zaid Hamid, a popular Pakistani television military analyst who fought with the Mujahideen in the 1980s.

      A source close to Maulvi Nazir, leader of a traditionally pro-Islamabad faction of the Pakistan Taliban, vowed revenge for his killing.

      General Hamid Gul, Pakistan’s former intelligence chief who was accused along with Colonel Imam of backing the Afghan Taliban insurgency, warned there will be bloodshed to avenge his friend’s death and said he had last been held by a group associated with Pakistan Taliban leader Hakimullah Mehsud.

      He said the restless region of North Waziristan was full of “loose groups” beholden to no one and that his killers’ demand for ransom to return his body had caused anger.

      “Even the worst of the Taliban and criminals in that area would not demand ransom for a body – that is not in the Pashtun tradition.” Col Imam was a “good mujahid” who had fallen into the wrong hands, he added.

      He was kidnapped by the unknown Asian Tigers, led by Usman Punjabi, but was later seized by another militant commander, Sabir Mehsud, whose group attacked Punjabi and killed five of his men. Sabir Mehsud was in turn killed by militants led by Pakistan Taliban leader Hakimullah Mehsud who first demanded the release of 160 jailed militants but later asked for 110,000 pounds ransom.

      General Gul said Colonel Imam’s supporters were in contact with his kidnappers and had sent medicines for him on December 20th. “They will be in trouble. I think Hakimullah Mehsud will face questions about this,” he added.


      Last edited by Soldat_Amir; 11-22-2011, 05:18 AM.

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      • #4
        Afghanistsn2010, its quite interesting that Hakeemullah would kill his own Pashtun Maseed brother in the honor of a Punjabi Talib?

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        • #5
          In the battle of Badr, muslims killed their own brethren and fathers...nd ?
          High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Afghanistan2010 View Post
            In the battle of Badr, muslims killed their own brethren and fathers...nd ?
            Exactly, thats why we should attack and boot out every talib ISI jasusan who want to bring Afghanistan backward regardless of their family ties, religion and skin color.

            You not only provided me a Islamic justification to attack the Taliban, but you have made a complete fool of yourself, what kind of "Pashtun" kills his own "Brother" in the honor of a "Punjabay"?

            This is why how matter how much you Talibs like to hijack the Pashtun cause, you will always be a fail.

            This is why we sane educated people consider your "sort" an embarassment to the world.

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            • #7
              I would like to boot all Benedict Arnolds from the region. The same traitors who welcolmed Alexander, the British, the Soviets are welcoming NATO.

              Some people just hate who they are, and will collaborate with outsiders to invade their territory. How sad these peoeple are.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Soldat_Amir View Post
                Exactly, thats why we should attack and boot out every talib ISI jasusan who want to bring Afghanistan backward regardless of their family ties, religion and skin color.

                You not only provided me a Islamic justification to attack the Taliban, but you have made a complete fool of yourself, what kind of "Pashtun" kills his own "Brother" in the honor of a "Punjabay"?

                This is why how matter how much you Talibs like to hijack the Pashtun cause, you will always be a fail.

                This is why we sane educated people consider your "sort" an embarassment to the world.
                If your brother is a criminal and has done evil to others why should you protect him.
                High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by کیش View Post
                  I would like to boot all Benedict Arnolds from the region. The same traitors who welcolmed Alexander, the British, the Soviets are welcoming NATO.

                  Some people just hate who they are, and will collaborate with outsiders to invade their territory. How sad these peoeple are.
                  First of all nobody invited Alexander, and by that time, we Pashtuns were not even Musulman, would you also include the ones who invited the Turks and Arabs to imperialise the free spirited Pashtun people. The British also invaded, the Soviets did not invade, they followed a contract of alliance that was signed, and only intervened when requested to do so, when the country was being looted by "Jahilun" armed and funded by Pakistan.

                  The Jihadis, the Peshawar Seven, were causing trouble on Pakistan's behalf way before any Soviet soldier even set foot in Afghanistan, even when the Communists never were in power, Pakistan was stirring up problems and working against Afghanistans betterment.

                  Alexander brought culture and class to the region, the British brought modern weaponary, which led to Pashtuns learning to produce rifles from the tiles of British train tracks, the soviets modernised the Afghan army and became a transit point whenever Pakistan blocked access to trade, now tell me, what did the "jahilun bring" besides Arab customs that most of Afghanistan left behind in the past.
                  Last edited by Soldat_Amir; 11-22-2011, 01:52 PM.

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                  • #10
                    its weird i read a headline just now taliban claiming ceasefire whereas the military denied any talks..whats going on. And this isnt the first time TTP would be pushing for a ceasefire, but i doubt the army would relent now ..they have made a lot of headway into SW, possibly for the first time in Pak history Army is setting up posts in these areas..I believe a proper army cantonment is underway in kanju right now
                    Last edited by Talal; 11-22-2011, 02:02 PM.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Soldat_Amir View Post
                      First of all nobody invited Alexander, and by that time, we Pashtuns were not even Musulman, would you also include the ones who invited the Turks and Arabs to imperialise the free spirited Pashtun people. The British also invaded, the Soviets did not invade, they followed a contract of alliance that was signed, and only intervened when requested to do so, when the country was being looted by "Jahilun" armed and funded by Pakistan.

                      The Jihadis, the Peshawar Seven, were causing trouble on Pakistan's behalf way before any Soviet soldier even set foot in Afghanistan, even when the Communists never were in power, Pakistan was stirring up problems and working against Afghanistans betterment.

                      Alexander brought culture and class to the region, the British brought modern weaponary, which led to Pashtuns learning to produce rifles from the tiles of British train tracks, the soviets modernised the Afghan army and became a transit point whenever Pakistan blocked access to trade, now tell me, what did the "jahilun bring" besides Arab customs that most of Afghanistan left behind in the past.

                      So you praise British ,Sowjet and Alexanders wars against Afghanistan,
                      but luckly you are not afghan otherwise afghans would have butchered you like a sheep.
                      High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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                      • #12
                        ^ like i said i doubt there would be a deal with TTP, they bombed the hell out of these areas..TTP needs time to group so its using ceasefire as a cover
                        It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Talal View Post
                          ^ like i said i doubt there would be a deal with TTP, they bombed the hell out of these areas..TTP needs time to group so its using ceasefire as a cover

                          Exactly,they will regroup to locate ISI positions and CIA operatives in Pakistan during the ceasefire and they will start their campaign as soon as the warmer weather starts.
                          High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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                          • #14
                            ^ lol a unilateral ceasefire bro, meaning the army is gonna push even harder..they haven't even recognized this ceasefire..it shows TTP is desperate, cuz their supply routes in afghanistan are about to get snowed in
                            It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Talal View Post
                              ^ lol a unilateral ceasefire bro, meaning the army is gonna push even harder..they haven't even recognized this ceasefire..it shows TTP is desperate, cuz their supply routes in afghanistan are about to get snowed in

                              They have enough firepower,i don't think they are afraid of the pakistani army but the problem is that the leaders of the islamic emirate are fed up with resisting the claims that TTP is targeting civilians in Pakistan under the banner of islam,they want to show the muslim world that they can strike peace deals.
                              High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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