debate between pakistan solider and taliban scholar

[PakistaniAtheist]

so its ok for u guys to use footage from the movies that theses 'kuffar' basterds made ?

Hi its also okay for these great pious muslims to live in those kaffir countries enjoying their dajjal system. I am thankful Pakistan is not ruled by such backward hypocritical arrogant animals who dont make sense at all. Kaffir is bad Kaffir is evil but living among very kaffir.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Hi its also okay for these great pious muslims to live in those kaffir countries enjoying their dajjal system. I am thankful Pakistan is not ruled by such backward hypocritical arrogant animals who dont make sense at all. Kaffir is bad Kaffir is evil but living among very kaffir.

Not at all, this is a common canard. Let me definitively crush it.

Here is the actual deal with this very foolish line of reasoning that always gives me a good laugh.

1. There are two large advocacy/interventionist groups living in "the dajjali system" and multiple smaller ones.
2. Theoretically both of these groups are advocating a type of interventionalism. You and others just choose to ignore one of them because you support the other.

The group you are talking about.. the Pan Islamists in the West are living in an idyllic dream in which their "team," theoretically, would establish shariah law locally. This may not jive with a large segment of the population which practices a mix of culture and Islam.

The other group, and here is where you are being deceptive... doesnt advocate Pax Americana or the American way or the Marxist way, or whatever ism they choose to parasitize today, in the exact way that their host citizens live it. Instead, they advocate an idyllic, and equally theoretical construct... forced military occupation to hoist secular democracy (also an alien system) onto people who may not want it. For all we know, they may want a King, they may want a confederacy... they may just want to be left alone. Often this group benefits from this current situation either by being in the class of Afghan emigres that left their country and did not lead it in the war against the Russians (proving they were not merit worthy leaders) and instead left the poor to lead... or via the current $$$ in this pipeline.

They choose to ignore the fact that the constitution does not follow the flag. The same rights, privileges, protection, and equality under the law does not follow the stars and stripes.

Whats even more hypocritical of this latter group is that they know full well that they DO NOT, in their adopted countries, live in a militarized society where military convoys trump civilian ones... and where military checkpoints are every few blocks. Yet they wish this on their brethren in order to combat what they are against. They live in the unproven and assinine hope that they can somehow trick the occupatant into fixing their country, turning it into San Diego or Hawaii and then politely asking it to leave, looooool.

When asked to furnish examples of how this has worked for others, they quickly point to Germany and Japan without considering the complexities and prewar status of the two countries named (usually because they are mentally retarded when it comes to historical facts and knowledge).

They also know that their civilian administrators, in their adopted society have a modicum of meritocracy in them... e.g. whatever Obama is (we know all about the full situation of how the political machinary in the states lets the folks who promote the status quo arise) he still is not the son of a tribal chief (Karzai) or the brother of the President (the late Ahmad Wali Karzai) or a local rapist, murderer, and open vegabond (Abul Raziq). Yet they wish the exact opposite on their own people.

So now we have established that both sides have their "team." Both sides are trying to hoist a concept on the natives. Both sides dont live under the conditions they advocate in their adopted nations. Both sides respond with the: Its the means to the ends... just wait... you'll see... it will turn out amazing. The first group is under the impression that Abu Bakr (R) incarnate will rule from Kandahar and the second group thinks that Afghanistan will be a G8 country and have the ability to make completely independent decisions.

Now, how these people ended up leaving Pakistan or Afghanistan is really the issue. How did they all end up under the dajjali system, as you say?

Well, why would they not when under your systems the sons and daughters of the Afghan government officials make their way to Yale under the Fulbright scholarship, but not the village boy or girl? And across the border who goes to Aga Khan medical? Oh well the sons of Marwat Khans do... the Khybar medical grads tell me stories of how the highest marks are doled out to the children of the local landed families who have a part in the school heirarchy already.

So ironically... it is you and your philosophies that intensify their zeal to see the people rise up under a moral banner to crush this intense inequality and utter vacuum of meritocracy.

For instance... in the US, the son of John F Kennedy FAILED the bar exam for law licensing. Yet countless sons and daughters of simple people pass it every day.

Now as the diaspora looks at which philosophies and advocacies produce which results they see:

Foreign occupation ---> Karzai installed ---> Karzai lacks credentials but represents stagnant plutocracy
Foreign support ---> Bhutto attempted to be reinstalled ---> Bhutto killed ---> lip service to democracy by the fact that son is made head of party. People call her Shaheed Bhutto when they would be more charitable with In the Earth Bhutto.

Islamic rebellion ---> promises a break down of this severely unmeritocratic system above ---> US adopts unofficially stated policy of subverting execution of Islamic laws no matter what ---> Realization of end goals unachievable:

" Although the ICU was locally supported for having restored a relative level of peace[135] to the volatile region after having defeated the CIA-funded Alliance for the Restoration of Peace and Counter-Terrorism in the Second Battle of Mogadishu, concerns about the growth and popular support for an Islamic country during the United States' War on Terror led to a new approach of the intervention of CIA, the United States military and Ethiopia's dominantly Christian government.
In late December 2006 a United States-trained[136] and funded Ethiopian military force attacked militias of the ICU in a series of battles known as the War in Somalia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_...change_actions

So my friend... tis you that is the dajjal... attempting to sustain a dajjali system with the help of super dajjals and their mentally handicapped emigre support teams.

[PakistaniAtheist]

Hi you are saying I am supporting dajjal I dont believe in dajjal only adults with imaginary friends believe in such magic stories created by one group who made up the jewish religion where they are the chosen people of god who god only speaks to and god also promise them land does favors for them splits sea bring food from heaven. Then the rest of the unevolved apes plagiarized this story of the jewish people because they found it interesting. When these jewish people who made this exclusive religion club for them said no to their participation both muslims and christains made the original creators of this fiction into evil people. Christians rejected by private jewish club so christains said jesus will to burn jews in hell forever. Muslims rejected by this private jewish club Muslims said no more praying to jeruslam pray to mecca from now on and allah will turn jews to pigs and monkeys. I dont support any of this nonsense. No educated person can support such childish stories. You are wrong.

[KhyberKhan]

The Talib made the army guy look like a school boy.

no one can doubt that he was more articulate, commanding and even the army guy at the end concedes this. Quite amazing as although a majority of pashtuns know urdu its not his first language.

Kind of debunks the whole backward image that na-pak propaganda machine spends millions of US dollars trying to portray through fallacious prime time dramas.

In one on one the murtad pak soldier who has the benifit of free education, schooling, free military training and a wealth of ammunition and a number of other amenities is beaten both verbally as well as on the battlefield.

Just shows that Allah is on the side of the believers.

[Afghanistan2010]

Hi you are saying I am supporting dajjal I dont believe in dajjal only adults with imaginary friends believe in such magic stories created by one group who made up the jewish religion where they are the chosen people of god who god only speaks to and god also promise them land does favors for them splits sea bring food from heaven. Then the rest of the unevolved apes plagiarized this story of the jewish people because they found it interesting. When these jewish people who made this exclusive religion club for them said no to their participation both muslims and christains made the original creators of this fiction into evil people. Christians rejected by private jewish club so christains said jesus will to burn jews in hell forever. Muslims rejected by this private jewish club Muslims said no more praying to jeruslam pray to mecca from now on and allah will turn jews to pigs and monkeys. I dont support any of this nonsense. No educated person can support such childish stories. You are wrong.

you are from among the footslaves of the dajjal,while you refuse God.

[M.ZaibKhan]

very interesting debate.
Napak murtad army soldier to hawa mein rocket chala raha tha.
Allah murtadeen ko halak karain.

well...

enjoy from this link..

a debate between pak army soldier and taliban scholar part 1.wmv - YouTube