Ghilzai vs. Durrani?

[khushal]

That's true as well, but social evolution does parallel certain evolutionary adaptations for example organization into societies as we have now is due to the development of the cognitive ability of time binding, which is something the brain adapted.

either way the way Khushal was trying to lateralize social evolution with biological evolution; that somehow the sacking of India was some sort of evolutionary event, was completely and pathetically incorrect.

straw man fallacy



I was talking about migration and where pillaging is likely to take place.

[Darweshkhel]

Some people point out that most Taliban leaders in the 1990s were Ghilzai, and see their rejection of moderate leadership as due to their historic rivalry with the Durranis.

Do Pashtuns agree?


http://www.dawn.com/2011/10/20/%E2%8...%E2%80%99.html

There is of course a rivalry between Durrani and Ghalzay but these are not the only tribes that fight each other for power. Pashtun tribes fight each other for territory and resources for many centuries now.
Tribal identity is however one of the main obstacles for us building a nation.
On PashtunForums we should not promote tribal identity, we should try to promote national ideas to unify under one name and one flag. Claiming tribal names is like promoting gang violence.
Thank you.

[ScimitarXEdge]

straw man fallacy



I was talking about migration and where pillaging is likely to take place.

had nothing to do with what I was talking about, so your argument was a diversion from the main subject.

[khushal]

^^^^what are you talking about.

you claimed that I beleived that the sacking of India is an evolutionary event.
I never claimed such a thing. I was talking about where pillaging is likely to take place and why people migrate.

you are guilty of straw man.

[ScimitarXEdge]

But it's not a straw man ....because I'm not using it as a refutation to
your points, in fact I never even said you made the claim, I said you were trying to lateralize, because in the context of our discussion you mentioned evolution, which was irrelevant to the context of the subject, you attempted to justify it by introducing sociological evolution in the discourse, so this was lateralizing.

So I never said you made any claim; so in fact what you're doing is a straw man


you never read CAREFULLY, pay attention to EVERY word and phrase. Each context. Blindly imitating logical structures without understanding their correct usage is not logical.

[abassinafghan]

scimitar keep your angress colonial theories for your self , you are a western born and raised in the west , and you think like a western .

besides to this i want to see one of you saying to some pailutsh in kandahar that he is" persianized" ,i will see how he shows you his nang .

not enough that ethnic division is promoted in our country now the donkeys even promote "tribal division" ,especially those who are armchair internet mujahedin and warriors .


mullah bradar second highest taliban was durrani , so what ? karzai is durrani , does any one became richer in karz or khandahar ? i have seen the same people suffering .regardless of their qaum .

how many gilzais became richer or had a great life when mullah omar was amir ?

so at the end it distract us only from the truth that those people are just in their own interesst , and they will use every thing to justify their bad actions

wether islam or quam or ethnicity . .

[khushal]

yes in politics; we were wresting for power of Qandahar, He didn't succeed in uniting the tribes, even during his time rebellions of Ghilzais were common.

No one claimed conflict in Afghanistan exists because Ghilzais vs. Durranis but that the Ghilzai and Durrani thing is not a myth. My family are Ghaznichi because we were thrown out of Qandahar trying to gain control of Qandahar. So you're wrong on each and every measure we have discussed

You're trying to discuss stuff you haven't any knowledge of.

tribal rebellions are common in a tribal society no matter who is ruling. there were ghilzi rebellions during mullah omar rule. I already mentioned hekamatyar. you have no idea what your talking about.

any one that is trying to gain control of power and fails will be kicked out. It does not matter what tribe you belong to. what do you think will happen when the Pashtuns come back to Kabul, logically they are going to kick out the Panjshiris.
Ya sure, I'm the one with no knowledge.

[khushal]

But it's not a straw man ....because I'm not using it as a refutation to
your points, in fact I never even said you made the claim, I said you were trying to lateralize, because in the context of our discussion you mentioned evolution, which was irrelevant to the context of the subject, you attempted to justify it by introducing sociological evolution in the discourse, so this was lateralizing.

So I never said you made any claim; so in fact what you're doing is a straw man


you never read CAREFULLY, pay attention to EVERY word and phrase. Each context. Blindly imitating logical structures without understanding their correct usage is not logical.

you could look at many societies and study where the pillaging was done. the japanese pillaged china and china never pillaged the japanese islands because there is nothing there to pillage. The mongols pillaged china but china never pillaged mongolia because there is nothing there to pillage either.

Your trying to portray the pashtuns, japanese and mongols as evil people. None of them are naturally evil, they just reside in a geographical area with no resources and waging war and pillaging is a necessity for survival. Its evolution, whether you want to divide the evolutionary process into biological stage and social stage, its still evolution.