Ghilzai vs. Durrani?

[Carlo]

Some people point out that most Taliban leaders in the 1990s were Ghilzai, and see their rejection of moderate leadership as due to their historic rivalry with the Durranis.

Do Pashtuns agree?

http://www.dawn.com/2011/10/20/%E2%80%98a-post-2014-civil-war-in-afghanistan-will-further-destabilise-pakistan%E2%80%99.html

[Soldat_Amir]

due to their constant bickering and fighting for power it has led the Pashtuns to disunity.

In the past, outside powers have used them against eachother for power.

[sanman]

But there is a danger that Ghilzai's are increasingly getting Punjabified.

Do you support Punjabification?

Look at Islamabad's colonial policies towards people in Baluchistan. Pak govt keeps shipping in the Punjabis, and offering them job quotas and benefits.

The Pak govt's goal is Punjabification. They feel that will reduce the danger of separatism and ethnic disputes. They use Islamization in support of Punjabification, because if you oppose them, then they say you are "anti-Islam" or "trying to divide the Muslims" (as if somehow Punjabis are the real Muslims, and everybody has to learn from them)

Meanwhile, ISI abducts and kills many Baluchi youth everyday, to terrorize and intimidate the public. And Punjabi media never mention it - they never put blame where it belongs. Do you support this ugly agenda?

[abassinafghan]

okay ,da americai bachaya , da de khandahar kalqo ta wei , mush be wuguru dey pe ta zischai wo ki


okay may be your father is a persian .


this is the typicall answer of a stupid child born and raised in the west who heard such nonsence from other donkeys who lived 30 years plus in the west and learned the sophisticated form of racism

[sanman]

Sophisticated form of racism? And Punjabification is an unsophisticated form of racism.

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Why must Punjabi ISI do this? Why do you like it when they do this?
Is it because you hope to do the same to your own people?

What happens when Punjabi ISI come to abduct your family? What will you do then?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Ghilzais were originally Turks , Sakas and Ghorians...where as Durranis are possibly Hepthalites.

None of these peoples were originally Pashto speaking, Persianized Durranis, or Pashtunized Turks, it doesn't matter

[ScimitarXEdge]

Sophisticated form of racism? And Punjabification is an unsophisticated form of racism.

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Why must Punjabi ISI do this? Why do you like it when they do this?
Is it because you hope to do the same to your own people?

What happens when Punjabi ISI come to abduct your family? What will you do then?

To be fair in medieval times we did it to them what goes around comes around.

[ScimitarXEdge]

But there is a danger that Ghilzai's are increasingly getting Punjabified.

Ghilzais on the whole, don't have many contacts with Punjab, so how can they get punjabified?

[gadoonwal]

There is no such thing as ghilzias v durani.It is politics and idealogy.
The reality is that Ghilzias are pashtunists and follow the pashtun code of pashtunwali.
The duranis(not all) are mixed race today and many of them speak only farsi.
They are more close to tajiks then their fellow pashtu speaking pashtuns.
However we can,nt say all duranis.For example those living in kandahar are pashtu speaking.Ahmad shah baba was also durani and founding father of afghanistan.This issue need more time to discuss.
The iranians never like ghilzia pashtuns.The fact is that they were pashtu speaking and pashtunists.It was mir wais khan hotak ghilzai pashtun defeated the persains and free the pashtunkhwa watan from the safavids influence.The hotakis pashtun rule over persai.The persains and kazalbash used their influence in durani darbar .They persanised the durani rule by briniging them close to persains then to their fellow pashtuns.
Many of the duranis adopted persain from the time of timor shah.
It is not only duranis,there are other pashtun tribes also speak only parsi.
It is also wrong to say Ghilzais are closer to punjab or els.It is bs.
Who was najeeb?
amin?
tarakai?
Also many of the talib supporters were duranis of south.
It is in fact another attempt to make fool of pashtuns by dividing them with tribal lines.
karzai a popalzai durani was also ,,isi,,agent so is that make all popalzais punjabis.
It seems to me some afgans are sick and suffering from punjabpobia virus.
punjab,punaja,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
dasa awti bawti waya,,ka cheria pa mung ki se gerat aw pakhtu patia way nu laka da khazo ba mu da pegorona nakawol,,,
pa afghanistan ki da pakhtanu tar tolo batora,nangyaly aw merany qabeela ghilzai ta punjabised waya ye,,,lag sharam pakar de.

Those pashtuns lost their language and culture regardless of their tribal links are no longer part of our nation.They no longer identify with pashtuns.
pashtuns should ,nt fight eachother for their tribes but should form unity and defend their language.

[R3SISTANC3]

This graphic is total bs.

Shinwari and Zadran are Karlani, and not Ghilzai.

You people should learn your tribes if you claim to be Pashtuns.

The current war is not between Ghiljay, Durranay, or Kalrani. It is based on political ideologies, and those political ideologies just so happens to hijack certain regions and tribes out of intimidation and social pressure. Over all, Pashtuns don't care about Karzai tribe or Mullah Omar tribe. In any case, if Pashtuns see outsiders killing another Afghan/Pashtun he/she will not care what tribe they belonged to but to avenge their death.

[KingKhan]

Ghilzais were originally Turks , Sakas and Ghorians...where as Durranis are possibly Hepthalites.

None of these peoples were originally Pashto speaking, Persianized Durranis, or Pashtunized Turks, it doesn't matter

That's BS. Your pretty much saying, their is no such thing as Pashtun.

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

This graphic is total bs.

Shinwari and Zadran are Karlani, and not Ghilzai.

You people should learn your tribes if you claim to be Pashtuns.

The current war is not between Ghiljay, Durranay, or Kalrani. It is based on political ideologies, and those political ideologies just so happens to hijack certain regions and tribes out of intimidation and social pressure. Over all, Pashtuns don't care about Karzai tribe or Mullah Omar tribe. In any case, if Pashtuns see outsiders killing another Afghan/Pashtun he/she will not care what tribe they belonged to but to avenge their death.

U cant comPare ghilzai and karlanri, youre confuding tribal confederacies with the 4 mystical sons of qais abdul rasheed (sarban, bittan, karlan, gargasht)

[khushal]

To be fair in medieval times we did it to them what goes around comes around.

I cant find anything about baloch doing attrocities like this to the panjabis. so what are you talking about.

[khushal]

Ghilzais were originally Turks , Sakas and Ghorians...where as Durranis are possibly Hepthalites.

None of these peoples were originally Pashto speaking, Persianized Durranis, or Pashtunized Turks, it doesn't matter

can not be confirmed

[khushal]

U cant comPare ghilzai and karlanri, youre confuding tribal confederacies with the 4 mystical sons of qais abdul rasheed (sarban, bittan, karlan, gargasht)

whether its mystical sons or confederacies. he is right. zadran nor shinwari are ghilzi.

the graph doesn't mention that baradar who is the no.2 taliban leader after mullah Omar is a durrani, not to mention that there are many ghilzi in the afghan governmnet leadership position.

the graph also does not mention that najibullah, a ghilzai fought against hekmatyar who is also a ghilzai who fought against mullah omar who is also a ghilzai. so where does this ghilzai vs durrani nonsense come from.