Who Kills more? Taliban or NATO/ISAF

[Catya Sher]

BRILLIANT ARGUING by ALCHEMIST.
Good pics and [very rightfully so ] bitter explanation by Kakargirl.
I haven't read all the thread but I am so pleased
to see finally some really good arguments put forward against
all these pitiful supporters of the war and what i call "peaceniks" - Bacha Khan/Wali Khan mindless supporters.

It's nauseating enough to read a daily quota of these sold-out-to-the Devil
souls that it's VERY difficult for me to even sign into PF these days !

We haven't seen such powerful work since perhaps the days of SK.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Your problem is you consider yourself above all.
I am not picking incidents, I am looking at the main thought behind this war.
One party's intentions are dirty and want suppress others. The other party wants to free a nation, kick out the oppressors and wants to establish a system of Islam and justice.

so tormenting people is wanting a free nation and establishing Islam?

Your problem is you can never actually answer my questions.

I asked you REPEATEDLY...how can someone make shari'ah by doing things against the Shari'ah ...and you never answer ..you just make excuses for why they go against the Shari'ah

The Qur'an Sharif says "are those who do good and those who do evil alike?" ; So yes I am above the Taliban, I don't murder anyone or violate anyones rights. These are the biggest crimes in Islam

do you believe Muslims are obligated to follow higher standards than kufar? yes or no answer please ...NO excuses.

[emkhan]

so tormenting people is wanting a free nation and establishing Islam?

Your problem is you can never actually answer my questions.

I asked you REPEATEDLY...how can someone make shari'ah by doing things against the Shari'ah ...and you never answer ..you just make excuses for why they go against the Shari'ah

The Qur'an Sharif says "are those who do good and those who do evil alike?" ; So yes I am above the Taliban, I don't murder anyone or violate anyones rights. These are the biggest crimes in Islam

do you believe Muslims are obligated to follow higher standards than kufar? yes or no answer please ...NO excuses.

You are not actually against the killings of civilians but you are against the taliban. You want them to sit like ducks and do nothing...
You want them to enjoy like the secularists in their air conditioned bed rooms sleeping day and night.
Brother taliban are the ones who have given blood for this country and for this nation. All the killings you mention is inevitable otherwise let the oppressors oppress our nation more and more, let them kill more, let them rape more, let them humiliate more, let them loot more.
I am saying again this all you mention is inevitable. This is just not possible when you fight with such sophisticated armed enemy.

[ScimitarXEdge]

You are not actually against the killings of civilians but you are against the taliban. You want them to sit like ducks and do nothing...
You want them to enjoy like the secularists in their air conditioned bed rooms sleeping day and night.
Brother taliban are the ones who have given blood for this country and for this nation. All the killings you mention is inevitable otherwise let the oppressors oppress our nation more and more, let them kill more, let them rape more, let them humiliate more, let them loot more.
I am saying again this all you mention is inevitable. This is just not possible when you fight with such sophisticated armed enemy.

No I am against both NATO AND the Taliban; NATO because they're an instrument of Imperialism

Taliban because they are hypocrites who contradict the very Shari'ah they claim they're trying to represent.


If Taliban are killing, oppressing and intimidating Muslims what makes them any different than NATO??? It means they're the same corruption that they're trying to fight against.

And if it was impossible; then why is it against the Shari'ah to do all those things?


You can avoid my questions ; that only shows you know I am right.

[Alchemist]

No I am against both NATO AND the Taliban; NATO because they're an instrument of Imperialism

Taliban because they are hypocrites who contradict the very Shari'ah they claim they're trying to represent.


If Taliban are killing, oppressing and intimidating Muslims what makes them any different than NATO??? It means they're the same corruption that they're trying to fight against.

And if it was impossible; then why is it against the Shari'ah to do all those things?


You can avoid my questions ; that only shows you know I am right.

Absolute B.S!


Imagine the Taliban aren't Muslims... then what?
They don't have the right to fight for their land against the invading forces regardless of tact?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Just a reminder to you all; the Taliban are threatening to kill MUSLIM boys, who are not combatants, who have no guns, who have not committed ANY CRIMES AT ALL

TALIBAN THREATENS TO KILL 30 KIDNAPPED BOYS IF DEMANDS NOT MET - YouTube

how is this apart of Shari'ah or Fisabillah?

[tor_khan]

Catya Sher,

these pitiful supporters of the war and what i call "peaceniks" - Bacha Khan/Wali Khan mindless supporters.

It's nauseating enough to read a daily quota of these sold-out-to-the Devil
souls that it's VERY difficult for me to even sign into PF these days !

We haven't seen such powerful work since perhaps the days of SK.

Since I was the one to mention Bacha Khan, perhaps you are referring to me as a "peacenik". I highlight three points from your posting here (coloured).

1. I have never on any platform anywhere on the internet declared any kind of support for the war.

2. I am not mindless. I take care to look at an argument in a fair and neutral manner. Sometimes that means that I have to suppress my own gut reaction to remain balanced and fair. I might not get the balance right every time, but I do reflect deeply and critically on the multiple views on offer here including my own.

3. Alhamdulilah I'm a Muslim. The only people who would refer to me as a "sold out to the devil soul" are people who do not share my faith or position. Position aside, do you share my faith? To associate me with the devil is serious enough to prompt this response in me. If you are so concerned about the Muslims suffering because it pains you as a Muslim to see them suffer, then publicly on these pages, do not hide your religion. Make your declaration of faith - so at least none of us need to guess unfairly about your intentions for being here. If in fact, if you are not a Muslim, there is nothing wrong in saying so. But remember violence tends to beget more violence and some of the violence you are prepared to back might one day claim you as a legitimate target.

I may be wrong, but your response to the above will make the difference. The way I see it Catya is that you are one in a long line of manipulators. You appear to have fooled yourself into thinking you've found a gullible audience, but not everyone is prepared to follow everything you say blindly.

[emkhan]

Absolute B.S!


Imagine the Taliban aren't Muslims... then what?
They don't have the right to fight for their land against the invading forces regardless of tact?

Actually schimitaredge has invented a device which can identify the kuffaar only, it goes to each person and ask if he is muslim, if the answer from the person is YES then it says sorry and goes on, if it says no fortunately then it blows up. thats why schimitaredge wants the taliban to buy this device and use it so that he gets some money from his invention.

[emkhan]

Just a reminder to you all; the Taliban are threatening to kill MUSLIM boys, who are not combatants, who have no guns, who have not committed ANY CRIMES AT ALL

TALIBAN THREATENS TO KILL 30 KIDNAPPED BOYS IF DEMANDS NOT MET - YouTube

how is this apart of Shari'ah or Fisabillah?

These are the so called taliban fled from swat and now hiding in Afghanistan... This is a revenge thing if you have some maazgha in your skull to understand. They have captured these guys because they consider them as their elders helped the army in fighting against their group.
So its all a revenge war.
What ever going in Pakistan is all a revenge war game.

[kakargirl]

In an interview with The Daily Telegraph at his Kabul home, Mr Akhundzada said that after losing office he encouraged up to 3,000 followers to take up Taliban offers of money.




"When I was no longer governor the government stopped paying for the people who supported me," he said. "I sent 3,000 of them off to the Taliban because I could not afford to support them but the Taliban was making payments.

"Lots of people, including my family members, went back to the Taliban because they had lost respect for the government. The British bore the brunt of this because the Taliban became the defenders of Helmand, where the local tradition doesn't allow foreigners to go into people's homes."

[kakargirl]

Afghan police 'killers and corrupt'

Rafael Epstein and Jeremy Kelly

September 13, 2011
NATO is spending $10.5billion this year recruiting Afghan soldiers and police. Photo: Kate Geraghty

KILLING and corruption by Afghan police, as well as low recruitment of soldiers, are hampering Australia's efforts to build local security forces in Oruzgan province, ahead of a major withdrawal two years from now.
The Age can reveal that only 80 men from Oruzgan province have joined the Afghan Army since 2009, and fewer are joining each year, figures show.
At the same time, a branch of the Afghan police is accused of rape, beatings, and extortion, according to a Human Rights Watch report.

[kakargirl]

The problems in Afghanistan are familiar. They include a corrupt Government, electoral
fraud, bribed police, over a third of the potential workforce unemployed and of citizens below the poverty line, insurgents who are yet to be defeated and an Afghan army not yet ready to defeat them - the country is the second least well-developed one in the world after thirty years of more or less unceasing devastation. David Cameron will today confirm to the Commons that Britain's combat operations there will end by the end of 2014, but that although there will be a "modest" reduction of troops this year,



his was reported yesterday as "a concession to his generals". They presumably recognise that there is no military solution in Afghanistan without a political one (if indeed there is either). It therefore follows that these generals must believe that military success over the next year - aided by leaving the combat troops in place - will be accompanied by political progress: that, by next autumn, the Government will be on the way to being less corrupt, the police less prone to take bribes, the insurgents more ready to make peace and the Afghan Army much better prepared for war. One has to ask whether this happy prospect is likely - and, if so, whether it dovetails with Cameron's offer to the Taliban of power-sharing. Even Dr Pangloss might balk at suggesting that Afghanistan is like

So basically the west has sorted nothing out but made a huge mess all over Afghanistan mmm.This is todays update from Tory conservative government talks took place in house of commons.

[Shayesta]

A murderer will remain a murderer. And it doesn't even matter whether the murderer kills 100 Afghans or 100,000 Afghans because at the end of the day, both murderers take innocent lives for their own agenda's sake. NATO is a foreign force who have burned, raped, cut off fingers, tortured to death Afghans and Iraqis since last ten years. Taliban is our very own blood which for the sake of foreign blood has sucked dry blood of its own nation for the past so many years. With NATO presence Afghans will be tortured by foreigners, after NATO's departure Afghans will be toasted between the Taliban and Northern Alliance. And all this is happening because we Afghans still don't understand how to unite against our every enemy (regardless of his ethnic, national and/or religion) and we still aren't able to decide our own future for the past so many decades. And until and unless we don't get rid of these 'internal diseases' (which will remain there for at least one more decade), our current situation will remain our destiny till the Akherah. One can either fight against the current situation, or either be prepared to endure it for the rest of their lives.

[ScimitarXEdge]

These are the so called taliban fled from swat and now hiding in Afghanistan... This is a revenge thing if you have some maazgha in your skull to understand. They have captured these guys because they consider them as their elders helped the army in fighting against their group.
So its all a revenge war.
What ever going in Pakistan is all a revenge war game.

then how can this be Shari'ah?

by the way Emkkhan if you cannot answer my questions, don't dare ever respond to my posts. Only respond when you're not a coward nd have the bravery to answer.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Absolute B.S!


Imagine the Taliban aren't Muslims... then what?
They don't have the right to fight for their land against the invading forces regardless of tact?

But See, we're Muslims so such an argument is a red herring.
, well I am Muslim, you're a Pork Selling, uneducated, closet homosexual woman hating hypocrite who's brainwashed by Saudi wahhabism.

Islam requires a higher standard For you to turn and say 'Absolute" B.s." to the Laws of Islam ...and worry more about if Muslims follow some superficial liberalism dogma which was pushed by British Colonial Servants in what is now known as Saudi Arabia

Being that's so the deaths of Muslims whether deliberate, out of negligence or unintentional is inexcusiable as the Taliban are well aware of the potential for innocent lives to be killed on account of their stratgies

isn't that what YOU YOURSELF used to argue when you were crying in defense of Ahmad Shah Massoud when the Taliban were slaughtering and Butchering and your own Tajiks in the cause of "fighting against stooges".

Have you sold out your own fellow Muslims now?

It demonstrates how this has less to do with Islam, being against Imperialism or justice; but rather how you can run a society through the mud without stepping outside of your home.