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    Pakistan: Haqqani Militant Network Has Ties With Government, Ambassador


    ISLAMABAD — The U.S. ambassador to Islamabad said in remarks broadcast Saturday that there is evidence linking the Haqqani insurgent network to the Pakistani government, a charge that could raise tensions in an already strained anti-terror alliance between Washington and Islamabad.

    The U.S. and NATO blame the Haqqani network for many of the attacks in Afghanistan, including this week's strike on the U.S. Embassy. The group – affiliated with both the Taliban and al-Qaida – and its army of several thousand fighters is widely assumed to be based just over the Afghan border in Pakistan.

    U.S. officials have long suspected links between the Pakistan military and the Haqqani network.

    But needing Pakistani cooperation to beat al-Qaida and stabilize Afghanistan, they rarely say so publicly and as directly as Ambassador Cameron Munter did in an interview with Radio Pakistan that was broadcast Saturday.

    "The attack that took place in Kabul a few days ago that was the work of the Haqqani Network," Munter said during the interview. "And the facts, that we have said in the past, (is) that there are problems, there is evidence linking the Haqqani network to the Pakistan government. This is something that must stop."

    Pressed for what evidence the U.S. had linking Haqqani to the embassy assault, Munter said, "Well, it's just we believe that to be the case."

    A Foreign Ministry spokeswoman declined to comment until she had heard the interview.

    The Pakistani army has resisted attacking North Waziristan and the Haqqanis because it believes the group does not pose a direct threat to the country. The army is engaged in a bloody fight elsewhere in the tribal region against militants that have responded with hundreds of suicide bombs around the country in recent years.

    Officers say that making enemies of the Haqqanis now could tip the country into even greater turmoil.


    Experts say U.S. plans to withdraw from Afghanistan in 2014 and its current efforts to seek peace with the Afghan Taliban make it even less likely that Pakistan will act anytime soon.

    The army also believes it will be able to use the group, with which it has ties going back to the U.S.-backed resistance against Soviet rule in Afghanistan, to ensure its archenemy India does not gain a foothold there once the American troops leave.

    In a statement Friday at a NATO meeting in Spain, Pakistani army chief Gen. Ashfaq Pervez Kayani appeared to allude to that, saying Pakistan had a "sovereign right to formulate policy in accordance with its national interests and the wishes of the Pakistani people."

    American is under pressure to show success in Afghanistan ahead of its planned troop withdrawal in 2014, and has been pressing the Pakistani military to act against the Haqqani network for at least two years, without success. The attack on the Kabul embassy by a team of assailants exposed further tensions in a relationship still foundering following the U.S. raid that killed Osama bin Laden in May.

    On Wednesday, U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta expressed frustration with Pakistani inaction against the insurgent network and issued what was construed here as a veiled warning that Washington may take unilateral action against the militants. The Foreign Ministry said his remarks were "out of line" with the two nations' anti-terror cooperation.

    Pakistan: Haqqani Militant Network Has Ties With Government, Ambassador
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    A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

    For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


    The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

    -Ferishta, 1560–1620

  • #2
    Half of the Kabul assailants were Afghan Tajiks. Also, the Kabul official said that the attackers were carrying and sipping Pakistani soda during the attack. Seriously??

    Ok, so everyone knows Pakistan has common interests to see the US leave. Doesn't mean anything at all. Iranians also have the same interest. But why doesn't the US talk about Pakistan supporting their unjust war?

    Also, since when did Pashtun areas in Pakistan stand for Pakistan. Prior to the war against Afghanistan, it was well understood by Pakistan to leave the tribes alone otherwise provoke civil war.

    Pakistan has understood that very well after being defeated in Waziristan, and losing 5000 forces.

    This is like a desperate comedy.

    Not them , and especially no Kabul expat 'official' will ever be abler to deny the Afghan right to free their country from the US/NATO war.

    Pakistani soda LOL

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    • #3
      I love watching ashraf make excuses for Pakisan.

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      • #4
        LOL, Scimitar thanks this. Omg.

        so now he places his faith in a US ambassador.

        Lets understand the context of these remarks. The man is angry and upset that the US Embassy and ISAF HQ was attacked in Kabul by a group of Afghans who it turns out were not just Pashtuns, but also Tajiks.

        Ok, so now that they have lied to the media and said they won, they can't pin the attack on the Taliban, so they use their second option and say it was the all so mysterious "Haqqani Network" as term they coined BTW.

        They do this in order to say that this act was orchestrated from the outside in line with the Saleh BS that Afghans fight and die for Pakistan Green flag.

        Lets ask ourselves, what exactly is the outside?? FATA and KP. Pashtuns never recognize that line, and that is not news.

        Lets now understand this. Who is fighting in Wardak? Kunar? Helmand? Kandahar?

        Who? People from Mars??

        The fact is anyone who tries to promote and steer this utter BS is saying in the face of the undisputed fact that the Taliban control the majority of Afghanistan.

        To also spin the Saleh line is to insult Afghan national character?

        What makes anyone think that Afghans accept the US war against themselves? Night raids, and airstrikes??

        If the last decade of unrest has not hit a nerve and made the Afghan resentment to the US occupation crystal clear, then such people who spin the Saleh line are not just stupid, but probably insane.
        Last edited by Guest; 09-17-2011, 11:05 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ScimitarXEdge View Post
          I love watching ashraf make excuses for Pakisan.

          Im pointing out how stupid and ridiculous it is to deny the Afghan resistance as a fact of nature.

          Pakistan waged a war at the US request against Waziristan, and lost 5000.

          There is no excuse for Pakistan's support for the US war against Afghanistan.

          NONE

          Their support for the war against Afghanistan is a huge crime.
          Last edited by Guest; 09-17-2011, 11:06 PM.

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          • #6
            5000 ...who were Pashtuns ....bear in mind, 5000 poor destitute people who just wanted to feed their families. who's lives were worth scraps to them

            and in return they got Biillions; it's not that hard to see the pattern

            You're not for Afghans or Muslims, you're merely a Pakistani apologist, makes sense you are from Pakistan BY your own admission.

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            • #7
              Schimiter,,, please stop bashing everyone in every thread.
              You and the Dazahrojam are the same.
              The words forgiveness and defeat are not in your dictionary

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              • #8
                firstly there's nothing to defeat, everyone knows Taliban are false Muslims. and are corrupted.

                As for forgiveness, forgiveness doesn't mean being blind to the truth. Why should I support Murtads like the Taliban who violate Shari'ah and the Laws of Jihad?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ScimitarXEdge View Post
                  5000 ...who were Pashtuns ....bear in mind, 5000 poor destitute people who just wanted to feed their families. who's lives were worth scraps to them

                  and in return they got Biillions; it's not that hard to see the pattern

                  You're not for Afghans or Muslims, you're merely a Pakistani apologist, makes sense you are from Pakistan BY your own admission.
                  Quetta is Afghanistan.

                  Punjab GHQ sent their Punjabi Army to fight against Waziristan. You know nothing at all. LOL, where do you think you can just spit out lies, and get away with it.

                  You just sit and assume you got it right?

                  wow

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                  • #10
                    You did not answer to the post in the other thread...
                    Please answer that one so that we understand what type of islam you want and what is YOUR interpretation of the Quran and hadith.
                    Thank you

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by AshrafGhaljay View Post
                      Quetta is Afghanistan.

                      Punjab GHQ sent their Punjabi Army to fight against Waziristan. You know nothing at all. LOL, where do you think you can just spit out lies, and get away with it.

                      You just sit and assume you got it right?

                      wow
                      Quetta is not apart of Afghanistan, there is no Afghan Governmental authority in Quetta, the currency in Quetta is rupees not Afghanis, Many of the signs in Quetta are in Urdu, not in any languages spoken in Afghanistan

                      you are a Pakistani, and that's fine, but you're not just a Pakistani , but a Pakistani Nationalist, and a Pakistani Nationalist who supports extremism.

                      Punjabi GHQ .......is that why the Pakistani Taliban were seeking revenge for Punjabis in Lal Masjid?

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                      • #12
                        5000 Pakistani soldiers died in Waziristan.

                        Most were Punjabi as their coffins were sent back to Islamabad lol

                        Get your facts right instead of making BS up. You watch a few documentaries here and there, you wikipedia this and that, and you then add to your retarded views.

                        You know nothing at all.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ScimitarXEdge View Post
                          Quetta is not apart of Afghanistan, there is no Afghan Governmental authority in Quetta, the currency in Quetta is rupees not Afghanis, Many of the signs in Quetta are in Urdu, not in any languages spoken in Afghanistan

                          you are a Pakistani, and that's fine, but you're not just a Pakistani , but a Pakistani Nationalist, and a Pakistani Nationalist who supports extremism.

                          Punjabi GHQ .......is that why the Pakistani Taliban were seeking revenge for Punjabis in Lal Masjid?
                          What Afghan government? The Kabul expat gov?

                          The Afghan government is in exile right now.

                          What one are you talking about?? Please elaborate on this.

                          Quetta is a Pashtun majority city. There are also other Afghans there.

                          Pakistani Taliban have stated that they wish make Pakistan a Sharia compliant state, they like the Afghan Taliban do not see along ethnic lines.
                          Last edited by Guest; 09-17-2011, 11:24 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by AshrafGhaljay View Post
                            What Afghan government? You Kabul expat gov?

                            The Afghan government is in exile right now.

                            What one are you talking about you dumbasss fraud

                            If that's your argument; then the Afghan government has been in exile for decades since the Taliban are not legitimate Afghan government because it hasn't been accepted by the majority of Afghanistan's citizens; them using Pakistani support to impose themselves on Afghanistan is not "legitimacy".

                            The issue is irrelevant though because in Quetta, Pakistan's Government holds the territory, most people carry Pakistani Passports, and Pakistni governmental institutions administrate there.


                            You are a Pakistani.....deadl with it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by AshrafGhaljay View Post
                              5000 Pakistani soldiers died in Waziristan.

                              Most were Punjabi as their coffins were sent back to Islamabad lol

                              Get your facts right instead of making BS up. You watch a few documentaries here and there, you wikipedia this and that, and you then add to your retarded views.

                              You know nothing at all.

                              Order of Battle: Pakistani Military in FATA and Northwest Frontier Province | Critical Threats
                              37th Mechanized Infantry Division, I Corps – Swat (based out of Gujranwala)
                              19th Infantry Division, X Corps – northern Swat (based out of Jhelum)
                              7th Infantry Division, XI Corps – North Waziristan (based out of Mardan)
                              9th Infantry Division, XI Corps – South Waziristan (based out of Kohat)

                              All Frontier Corps and Frontier Constabulary units in NWFP, FATA and Baluchistan, based in theaters of operations.
                              so out of the 6 companies fighting, 4 are Pashtun and 2 are Punjabi which means that 3500 Pashtuns killed and maybe 1500 poor lower class Punjabis killed


                              Taliban aren't warriors; they're a stain against everything Islam stands for.

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