Btw, ScimitarXEdges arguments ARE weak. You provide no valid points, your basiclly saying "Taliban is wrong because CNN told me so." Brother do not pass judgements until you know them for whom they really are. All we hear is one sided American BS, and we never hear the talibans side of the story.
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maybe you are the type of person who comes across people who only drink eat haram food and go clubbing. if you were better, you would have the pleasure of having the company of better people. you did not make a controversy, you made an ass out of yourself by generalizing like a ****ing hypocrite.Originally posted by Khyber Pass View PostNot to make any conterversy but all Hazaras I know, are very very bad muslims. They say their muslim but at the same time they eat, drink, club, and the list goes on. The taliban were right for killing them, most of them are harami's.
I am no bird, and no nest ensnares me.
non commercial would cost less if he was in charge himself which he plans on doing. right now it's n herat but soon it will be in qanadahar.
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Actually I go to a university its pretty multi cultural, many different people from many walks of life. But all Hazara's I've met are bad muslims you've probably had a different experience with them then me, thats your view but I hold my view until I meet one good Hazara.Originally posted by DaZahroJaam. View Postmaybe you are the type of person who comes across people who only drink eat haram food and go clubbing. if you were better, you would have the pleasure of having the company of better people. you did not make a controversy, you made an ass out of yourself by generalizing like a ****ing hypocrite.Yama Pukhtoon da Pukhtano sara zam.
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You have given no legitimate reason why the afghan official is right. you think in your mind he has no motive to lie during war. I am endorsing no one here but I will side with the truth and the truth is we have no facts about this.Originally posted by ScimitarXEdge View PostYou've given no legitimate reason why the Afghan official or villagers such as Haji Ahmad Shah Khan is wrong.
other than you think they're uo to something; all I have been doing is showing that no matter how you cut it the Taliban would have been the culprits. You seem not to comprehend that. Which is what happens when you align oneself to people who are even against things you endorse like development and progress. Sometimes Pakhtun pride needs to take the backseat to Moral Justice.
your pride is getting in the way of moral justice by blaming people without real proof or evidence. by your logic Since everybody claims they control helmand, everybody was in on it. You think claiming something as factual. your becoming more and more desperate.Last edited by khushal; 09-11-2011, 07:13 AM.
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Originally posted by Khyber Pass View PostBtw, ScimitarXEdges arguments ARE weak. You provide no valid points, your basiclly saying "Taliban is wrong because CNN told me so." Brother do not pass judgements until you know them for whom they really are. All we hear is one sided American BS, and we never hear the talibans side of the story.
No I am saying that the Taliban are wrong because they themselves murder Muslims despite the fact they claim to be fighting for Islam and against infidel occupiers.
Has nothing to do with CNN. Rather Taliban's own actions.
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Originally posted by Khyber Pass View PostNot to make any conterversy but all Hazaras I know, are very very bad muslims. They say their muslim but at the same time they eat, drink, club, and the list goes on. The taliban were right for killing them, most of them are harami's.
sounds like every Pashtun male I know living/raised in the West, half of these guys on this website only "act" religious on forums
perfect example would be Kaish, who is Pashtun ...smokes marijuana BY HIS own admission.Then comes here claiming Hazaras as an ethnicity are crafty. Even though he admits his own relatives do translation services for NATO over there.
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Originally posted by Khyber Pass View Post. The taliban were right for killing them, most of them are harami's.
Not even in Shari'ah can you kill someone for drinking (unless they have been penalized 3 consecutive times prior). Yet you're saying the Taliban were right in killing a certain race of people on account of things done by certain individuals.
Not only that, but after accusing me of basing my sources on CNN, you actually come out and ADMIT that the Taliban did murder Hazara civilians, and it was acceptable. Talk about contradiction which tells us you know the Taliban are murderous **** but want to cover up for it.
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Originally posted by khushal View PostYou have given no legitimate reason why the afghan official is right. you think in your mind he has no motive to lie during war. I am endorsing no one here but I will side with the truth and the truth is we have no facts about this.
your pride is getting in the way of moral justice by blaming people without real proof or evidence. by your logic Since everybody claims they control helmand, everybody was in on it. You think claiming something as factual. your becoming more and more desperate.
That's the thing; just like how you pull out the claim of conspiracy theory; the argument by conspiracy theory is more accurately depicted by your assertions. You claim there's no real proof; but it is officially documented , this is proof. Your claim that it isn't proof is based on a CONSPIRACY that you believe the Officials and Villagers are colluding together to create.
Your problem is not that the proof isn't presented, but you're in denial.
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What villagers, there is only one and there is doubt he is not even from the area and this man does not even talk about the incident. Interviews of people is not proof, they are only opinions. Do you have physical evidence of the bodies. Have you Identified the bodies on who they are, are they in fact known Taliban commander and that of the one man he commanded or or they just poor innocent villagers, have you identified the date of their death. Are the words of those interviewed reliable or are they just compulsive liars. Where are the interviews of the sons of the old man. Where are the interviews of other witnesses.Originally posted by ScimitarXEdge View PostThat's the thing; just like how you pull out the claim of conspiracy theory; the argument by conspiracy theory is more accurately depicted by your assertions. You claim there's no real proof; but it is officially documented , this is proof. Your claim that it isn't proof is based on a CONSPIRACY that you believe the Officials and Villagers are colluding together to create.
Your problem is not that the proof isn't presented, but you're in denial.
Don't impulsively believe what people say just because it fits with your conspiracy theory. You have not thought this through and are just peddling desperately.
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ah I see so you're peddling a conspiracy theory ....according to the CORRECT definition of one. Your argument is a red herring. Did you see any evidence of the bodies when the Taliban shot down the Helicopter in Paktia? Rarely do we see physical bodies. so demanding such things is not constituent as exclusive evidence.
Your demands of evidence are so high when it's against the Talibn, but when it comes to claims by the Taliban their word is enough. That's not only conspiratorial but a irrevocably biased one.
you're very selective in your standards it seems. Regardless you must prove the official documentation is a forgery.
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oh Come on, why should we ask for evidence, both parties in that helicopter attack admitted it was shot down.Originally posted by ScimitarXEdge View Postah I see so you're peddling a conspiracy theory ....according to the CORRECT definition of one. Your argument is a red herring. Did you see any evidence of the bodies when the Taliban shot down the Helicopter in Paktia? Rarely do we see physical bodies. so demanding such things is not constituent as exclusive evidence.
Your demands of evidence are so high when it's against the Talibn, but when it comes to claims by the Taliban their word is enough. That's not only conspiratorial but a irrevocably biased one.
you're very selective in your standards it seems. Regardless you must prove the official documentation is a forgery.
I have never said that the Talibans words are good enough but on the contrary I have said everyone lies in war including the Taliban.
The NYT article is not a documentation, it is just an article that quotes the opinions of a few people.
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Originally posted by khushal View Postoh Come on, why should we ask for evidence, both parties in that helicopter attack admitted it was shot down.
I have never said that the Talibans words are good enough but on the contrary I have said everyone lies in war including the Taliban.
The NYT article is not a documentation, it is just an article that quotes the opinions of a few people.
see there you go......you selectively lower your demands of evidence. Whether both parties admitted it, your criteria is that a physical body has to be evident. Changing GOAL POSTS AGAIN!
The NYT's doesn't merely quote opinions, it quotes confirmations of what happened. even from a villager himself.
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Originally posted by graveyardofempires View Postthats because they dont need to lie about it.
the foreign invaders ahve a huge media campagne behind them.
and yes there is proof of helicopter crash ,noe go and find it.
My point wasn't to deny it happened nitwit, it was to show how arbitrary and selective you people are and how you constantly change goal posts when it comes to the demands of evidence.
If merely written word and official news documentation is PROOF in that case, it's proof here, or else it is not proof in either case.
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