Pakistanis will be on the moon in 2013 - pakistani patriot

[Nokia_Apridey]

haha........kha sayasat ma ezda...


څه دوران نمک حرام مو شو په برخه
چی بچۍ د مور پوړنی ته بلا شی

[graveyardofempires]

da pukhto sheruna ma waya te ma tha
che pukhto derkey neshta shey khola dey matha

che de torbor pe mehfil ke walar yee aw gadeygey
bya tayar sha de pukhtun de torey shranga tha

stha pe shaan beghairathan me ne dey leedeley
sog che zmung mekh tha ragheley swazedeley

ka punjabay dey ka mughul aw ka angreez
che qadam keydey pe dey khawrey no wledeley

[khushal]

Can you quote a few ANP leaders who are feudal Khans?

What are you saying here shehbaza, that the ANP leaders are not feudal khans. do you know what a feudal khan is?

[gadoonwal]

Afghanistans pahtunistan policy has destroyed our country and turned our non pashtun countrymen against us

The Amir is wise and you all would be better served to log off the computer and analyze my words

Put away your bogus fantasy maps of amu to abasin

IF WE DONT CHANGE OUR WAYS IN 25 YEARS QANDAHAR TO KABUL WILL ALL BE PAKISTANI PROVINCES

HOW MUCH WILL YOU ENJOY YOUR UNITY THEN?

dear ,you know very little of our politics.
The reason you are suffering cus your country was divided and you also lost access to sea.
the pashtunistan issue is more important for both sides.
why you are landlock?
who is blackmailing you and why?
if you read my very first post since join the forum i fully explain that the suffering will continue until free baluchistan and pashtunistan.
lets say you sign durand treaty with pakistan forever so what will happen after sometime?
pakistan will finally declare your country as a province cus you depend on them for trade.They will play the game on your soil to fail your country and you will have no choice but to join them.This is what they want.
There are tow sides of afghan politics.
One group do not recognise durand cus it was forced up on pashtun.
The other group supported free pashtunistan for pashtunkhwa people only to creat a buffer zone between pakistan and afghanistan.The other important thing was for supporting pashtunistan issue to keep the present afghanistan unite.
My point is if you think afghanistan stop supporting free pashtunistan then get ready for the rest of afghanistan.
Your traders also depend on karachi port and khyber pass and pakistan can close that anytime.
By supporting free pashtunistan wa baluchistan will give new start and life to pashtuns and afghanistan.
Pashtun will be in majority with no master.
If we follow your idea then wait for few years what happen to your country.
pakistan would never ever want free and stable afghanistan .
nor ba darta sar sa khogawom
check your history.

[Nokia_Apridey]

چه کړم ګانړه يي په انګريز اوس پيغور ونه راکئ
په عدالت کښ د پښتون عبدالرحمن غواړمه

[khushal]

why is it always with you guys about money and what they earn to join or not to join ,if someone is against joining than we oppose those as well and support the one sthat do.
this has also everything to do with our lands ,what kind of beghairath people will give up on their land?

than we have to keep out trust in waziris masud.

you guys think pashtuns of pukhtunkhwa have gone beghairath or something but believe me they have been put in dark by punjab trained pathans the day they become angry they will burn down punjab regiment headquarters in pekhawer.

First I am not against the unity of our people, I am for it. What I am trying to explain is the reasoning behind why KP Pashtuns have thus far refused to fight for the right to join Afghanistan. There has not been a real struggle from the KP side for the unity.
KP pashtuns have not given up on their land, they are living on it. Since the creation of Pakistan, the Afghan leaders including Karzai have been perplexed on what to do about the durand line. Should they accept it and be landlocked forever and depend on foreign aid forever or should they refuse to accept it and directly challenge a country 8 times their size.

[graveyardofempires]

Abdulrahman ba stha pe mekh key to key larey
che te kela de angreez ghegey ta wlarey

de angreez punjab mazdoora khaberey me kra
De Afghan sara sar wjangay no bya laray

[graveyardofempires]

First I am not against the unity of our people, I am for it. What I am trying to explain is the reasoning behind why KP Pashtuns have thus far refused to fight for the right to join Afghanistan. There has not been a real struggle from the KP side for the unity.
KP pashtuns have not given up on their land, they are living on it. Since the creation of Pakistan, the Afghan leaders including Karzai have been perplexed on what to do about the durand line. Should they accept it and be landlocked forever and depend on foreign aid forever or should they refuse to accept it and directly challenge a country 8 times their size.

bro you guys have lost touch with pashtun reality and have adopted to paksitani reality.

anyway i,ll be back to this.

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

Ayub Khan was not pashtun. He was from the hazara district of KP whose son is working very hard to split the hazara district from KP. He imprisoned and hated the pashtuns, more than any panjabi leader of Pakistan.

Which babur are you talking about, the Moghul babur was not pashtun and a descendant of Timur and ghengis khan.

Naseerullah babar

[Shayesta]

@Amir
Though there is one point in particular I agree with you; Pukhtoons of Afghanistan need to work for the benefit of Afghanistan and only think of caring for Pakhtunkhwa if they ask us to, and just let others decide for themselves what's good and what's bad for them. If we get irritated by people showing us our place then we can expect the same irritated attitude by others, no? Moreover, there is no Pukhtunistan movement going on currently; Not in Afghanistan, nor in Pakhtunkhwa, and therefore the case need to be rested.

But, there are so, so many points noted by you which is just not correct! First of all, it wasn't the Pukhtunistan issue which 'ruined' Afghanistan. Yes, it restrained our political relationship with Pakistan, but it didn't 'destroy' us. Years before his death Daud Khan had already given up on Pukhtunistan policy, and there was no proof that after he gave up on the policy he kept meddling with Pakistan. Therefore, Pakistani government's policy to train militants against the Afghan government and their approach to strive to see an Pakistani-friendly Kabul was not justified! Mohammad Najibullah didn't have any Loy Afghanistan policy, what was the reason of interference with his government? Taliban didn't have any Loy Afghanistan policy, what was the reason for providing NATO air-space while invading Afghanistan? Yes, Afghan government is to be blamed the most for our situation, but the excuse of Pukhtunistan or Loy Afghanistan being the only reason for Pakistani government to strive for an Pakistan-friendly Kabul is merely an extremely weak excuse, and incorrect statement.

It's also not true that Pakistani government's struggle was mainly to make Afghanistan a sixth province, this is merely an excuse used by especially Ahmad Shah Massoud supporters to degrade Taliban and their supporters. Yes, before all the wars, it's true that Pakistan wanted Afghanistan to merge with them which was strongly objected and rejected by the Afghan government. But after the wars there were no talks of federation between Afghanistan and Pakistan, there were no Pakistani soldiers 'capturing' Afghanistan, or any other similar signal. In fact, why would they force the Taliban to sign the Durrand Line agreement if they were planning to take a sixth province anyway? Taliban was possibly the only Pakistan-friendly Afghan government (for obvious reasons) and even they refused to recognize the Durrand Line, but they didn't fight for 'Pukhtunistan' or 'Loy Afghanistan' either. Same-wise I know many Pakistani Pukhtoons who love Pakistan, who want the betterment of Pakistan, but even they don't recognize any border between us. Even the ANP isn't fighting for 'Loy Afghanistan' but even they don't recognize any border between us. Now does that mean Pakhtunkhwa's state today is due to their 'stubbornness' of not recognizing the Durrand Line? As for Amanullah Khan, he didn't 'reject' Pakistani Pukhtoons out of ignorance or arrogance. He was said to have admired Pacha Khan a lot and even had talks with him. He did that to stop the influence of former British India completely. The British have proven themselves cheaters and liars throughout their conflicts with Afghanistan and it was obvious Amanullah Khan would take steps to put them in check; Even if that meant closing the entire border.

As for Pukhto 'dying' in Afghanistan, I suggest you visit Afghanistan as soon as you can. I also suggest you to not to speak Dari when you arrive there and tell me how many people didn't understand your Pukhto? Yes, some might pretend not to understand it, but I haven't met any, not even one, 'Kabuli' unable to at least understand Pukhto, if not speaking it.


And for those who speak of honour and self-respect; Before showing Afghans their 'honour' and 'self-respect', come and ask those millions of Pakistanis here in West why they don't even want to visit Pakistan, forget settling there? And as far as NATO occupation and 'maze kawol' is concerned, as far as I know, it was Pakistan who had 'maze' under British Raaj, not Afghanistan. Either educate yourself, or don't open my mouth on your baseless and useless comments. Manena.

[Nokia_Apridey]

دا خو د نڼګ د پښتنې تقاضې زور وو ګني
تاریخ دې نر شي کنه بل دې شير شاه پیدا کي

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

dear ,you know very little of our politics.
The reason you are suffering cus your country was divided and you also lost access to sea.
the pashtunistan issue is more important for both sides.
why you are landlock?
who is blackmailing you and why?
if you read my very first post since join the forum i fully explain that the suffering will continue until free baluchistan and pashtunistan.
lets say you sign durand treaty with pakistan forever so what will happen after sometime?
pakistan will finally declare your country as a province cus you depend on them for trade.They will play the game on your soil to fail your country and you will have no choice but to join them.This is what they want.
There are tow sides of afghan politics.
One group do not recognise durand cus it was forced up on pashtun.
The other group supported free pashtunistan for pashtunkhwa people only to creat a buffer zone between pakistan and afghanistan.The other important thing was for supporting pashtunistan issue to keep the present afghanistan unite.
My point is if you think afghanistan stop supporting free pashtunistan then get ready for the rest of afghanistan.
Your traders also depend on karachi port and khyber pass and pakistan can close that anytime.
By supporting free pashtunistan wa baluchistan will give new start and life to pashtuns and afghanistan.
Pashtun will be in majority with no master.
If we follow your idea then wait for few years what happen to your country.
pakistan would never ever want free and stable afghanistan .
nor ba darta sar sa khogawom
check your history.

Pakistan subdues us because we interfere in their affairs and make land claims

If we cease then at least they no longer have an excuse to interfere

If they continue to do so despite our lack of interference and our scaling back of our indian policy, then their naked aggression is clear to all

At that point we rely on our lar pakhtun brothers to influence and oppose their states policy

This requires excellent relations with lar pakhtuns which is based on us not insulting them, demanding their loyalty, return of afghan refugees etc

Lar pakhtuns love their bar brothers and will not allow Pakistani interference if we dont give them an excuse. I hope so anyways.....

[Shayesta]

Amir wrora, I have edited and added a little more to my last comment. Please do get through it because I want your input on it?

[MostafaM]

Pakistan subdues us because we interfere in their affairs and make land claims

If we cease then at least they no longer have an excuse to interfere

If they continue to do so despite our lack of interference and our scaling back of our indian policy, then their naked aggression is clear to all

At that point we rely on our lar pakhtun brothers to influence and oppose their states policy

This requires excellent relations with lar pakhtuns which is based on us not insulting them, demanding their loyalty, return of afghan refugees etc

Lar pakhtuns love their bar brothers and will not allow Pakistani interference if we dont give them an excuse. I hope so anyways.....

You sound like Latif Pedram.
And you know how high the percentage of Afghans were who voted for him, right? Yes, 0,5 %.


One thing should be clear from the start:

no self-proclaimed advocate of the Pashtun cause can decide for a nation of 70 Millions.
If they unite or not is up to them!

From my perspective these discussions, written words on the internet, are meant to adress a wider audience on the internet.
Let Pashtuns have free access to information, let them build their own political, social and historical conscience based on every kind of information and disinformation.
The truth is deep in their hearts, they will find it one day.....or their childrens.

Even the Paki-supporters like Shehbaz and others who come here to defend an entity that uproots them culturally are well aware but they lack the guts for a change because they benefit privatly from an entity called Pakistan.
They have their business, shops etc. and all they care about is their own life.

Political conscienceness is attached to the standard of life.
If people have a good standard of life or a really bad one, then they will go for a change.
The state they are in is that of modern-day Lumpenproletariats.....for them it´s not bad enough and they see a chance for improvement.

Only if their fata morganas get destroyed, they will realise.

Let´s discuss here, let´s give those thousands of unregistered and registered Pashtuns across the globe read our words and come to their own conclusions.
A unification among us Pashtuns is the most natural thing in this world.
Not a sane person would promote that a family for example live physically separated.

Time will tell!

[Shayesta]

^ When Afghanistan was stable, when our economy was flourishing, when we had international students, when we had international tourists, when were dependent on import-export instead of aids and etcetera, even we weren't bothered with 'Pukhtunistan' or 'Loy Afghanistan' and we weren't even bothered when being educated in Dari instead of Pukhto in Pukhtoon-land like Nangarhar, Laghman, Kunar, and etcetera, were we? I am by the way talking about residents of Afghanistan, not our politicians!

A nation only realizes what they lost and what they need to (re)gain after they are economically and safety-wise in a weak position. Even Tribal Pakistanis started to rebel after they were ill-treated by Pakistani military and militants, where was their resistance sixty years ago? Point being that we can only explain Lar Pukhtoons why we think the way we think, instead of judging their way of thinking.