Karzai and company sell out Afghanistan

[unknownprince]

As for Karzai and Spanta, I can't wait till they sign it. You see, if there was any confusion before, now there isn't . They are making their war clear against not only the Afghans/Pashtuns, but the entire region.

He is militating the rest of Afghanistan against the US and himself. The guy truly is a nutjob with the farsiwaan pimp spanta at his side.

[Admin Khan]

You said;

I am not slave but realistic. You are blind.

You call yourself realistic, but realistic in what sense? The Afghan people never asked to be invaded. In fact, the majority of Afghans have never even heard of 9/11. So for you to sit here and regurgitate, what the US media profoundly spreads, is something I feel as if we should laugh over. Let's stick to facts and common sense, and constructively criticize what you have here. Before I begin to offer my refutation to your absurd claims, I want to warmly greet you, and grab you some tea if necessary. Hospitality is a must in Pashtun culture. Welcome aboard.

I speak as a human being who prefers food and detests hunger, who prefers education and detests illiteracy, who prefers security and detests chaos. Not only majority of people want what I want but ALL OF HUMANITY want what I want except for few lackeys of ISI.

It seems to me as if you are unaware of the ground realities. Do you really think Afghans serve as puppets of ISI? or an Iranian intel agency? There is not a single Afghan, in the world, that wishes to be illiterate. Our problem is sell-outs, the Ahmad Shah Masood types who do not hesitate to sell out Afghanistan, and have the people fight back for their well-being. Afghans do not fight "wars" they resist. Let me put things in proportion for you, Afghanistan got invaded, and nearly everyone who is "fighting" the Americans are against them because they have either been bombed, or lost relatives. It's a logical fallacy on your part, to paint everyone who wishes to stand up against the invasion as "lackeys of ISI". People have lost their parents, and children, and they want revenge - a vital part of Afghan culture. If the USA wants to build institutions, and hospitals, do you honestly think Afghans will say no? Of course not. But if you had have ever taken a Poly Sci 101 course, you would have quickly realized that nothing is for free. Each and every development that takes place is for strengthening American geo-strategic interests. If the US would have not had blown up villages off the map, and not had been taking pictures with dead bodies, or cutting off fingers and taking them as "war trophies" most Afghans would have not had stood up in fierce resistance. Most people who are fighting the American soldiers today are regular Afghans - not Talibs. They are Afghans who are sick and tired of night raids, and Afghans who simply don't want a foreign person telling them what to do. Can you blame them? I am sure Americans would do exactly the same if they were to have the Chinese perform night raids.

Grantee is the enormous improvement in education, building main and sub roads, agriculture, human right, industry, power(Electricity), communication. Mining and exporting of production (dry and fresh fruits, rugs...).Capacity building and best usage of instruments, banking development, women rights and so on since fall of Talibananas.

Another fallacy on your part. Why do you have to assume the Taliban is our only solution? Who here stated that the Taliban is our only solution? Why does their only have to be two options on the table? Let's see how well you respond if someone invades your house, kills your family member and later states "It was a mistake". If everything were to be so lovey-dovey, Afghans would not be resisting and protesting against foreign interference. They would be embracing it, and forming tribal lashkars to wipe out the "ISI puppets". Instead, we witnessed the opposite.

Retards like you automatically peg this admission as a slave or some sort of love towards West. That said, we are being ruled by others today and we have been so for the last 200 years.

Yup, sell-outs are common in our region, and that has certainly played a contributing factor for the the Afghan nation witnessing several invasions, for which the Afghan people have lost millions of lives in it's defense.

Hence the Pashtun pride becomes a false pride.

What does Pashtun pride have to do with this? Do you have a problem with Pashtuns or is your goal to develop Afghanistan? Pashtuns have many things to be proud of and I don't understand why you have to mop the floor with them.

And the only way out of this age old occupation is through an Afghanistan that has solid institutions.

Obviously -- Agreed. But that's not possible when you have foreign intervention, and instability. The majority of Afghans do not want foreign forces. You can't build sustainable institutions when you have corrupt Northern Alliance officials holding prominent seats. Afghanistan will deveop if it's people want development. As of right now, the Afghans have their guards up against people who are consistently bombing them. Whether it be Pakistani agents, or Iranian agents. Anyone who has malicious intentions for Afghanistan, is an enemy of Afghanistan.

But its you retards

Dear brother, we don't tolerate insults here. If you are going to be posting in such style, you might as well keep your ultra-sophisticated insults to yourself. For once, let's behave - shall we? Refrain from name-calling. Just address comments, if you wish.

delusionally thinking that they are free, stand against construction of anything positive for Afghanistan.

I think you are a victim of psychological warfare. I don't mean to assume, but who gave you the right to say that those who are in staunch opposition don't favor anything positive in Afghanistan? In their eyes, the first and foremost positive thing is driving out foreigners who have invaded the wrong country. Obviously they want prestigious institutions, but they have learned that it's the 1980's all over again.

Let the [/FONT]America stay, available historical record show people do much better, German, Japan, Italy[FONT=Times New Roman] and rest.

How dare you compare Japan to Afghanistan? Even before bombs were dropped on Japan, they were competing with the USA. Japan never had a Ahmad Shah Masood or people of his caliber. Since when did Afghanistan ever compete with such international powers? The aforementioned has to be a typo on your part. No one will build your institutions for you or spoon feed you. Japan is developed because of it's people. Germany is the largest European economy, because it's full of hard-working people whom are united. To say they have been successful is because of US troops is nothing but nonsense. The only way Afghanistan can be successful is if unites, and that means you need to stop pointing fingers at Pashtuns, and Pashtuns need to stop pointing fingers at you. Remember, when you point one finger, you have 3 fingers pointing right back at you. No matter how many schools the US builds, if we continue to have such uneducated and corrupt leaders, they will all fail. I thank the USA for it's development, but I know there is a price to pay for it. It's elementary logic.

US invaded Afghanistan because of people like you-Taliban.

Don't accuse people. The US invaded Afghanistan because the Taliban demanded proof, and they did not like their attitude. As simple as that. By the way, it's once again a fallacy on your part for assuming that just because someone opposes your views, they support the ISI and Taliban. It's not a black and white issue.

Remember how terrorists from all over the world was unleashed all over non Pashtun Afghans?

You hardly make any sense here. Elaborate.

Remember how the only construction in Afghanistan was the construction of monkey bars? Do you remember?

Obviously, because of sanctions.

Well Sonny Boy, you sow what you reap. Taliban was the reason. Taliban are the reason. You want the violence stopped? Go after the Talibs!

Define a Talib.

Oh, and wrong again. You want violence to stop? Go after those who wish to destabilize Afghanistan, and stop assuming that everyone who is against foreign interference is a Talib!


I would've wrote more, but BarakzaiAbdali took the words right out of my mouth.

You Talib, ISI agent!//Sarcasm[Seems like that's the best rebuttal one has nowadays when they can't refute what you write].

[graveyardofempires]

so even though he can't back up anything he says with confirmation except stories...his statements are "facts"

but the stuff I say which I can corroborate ...even from sources YOU YOURSELF endorse (i.e. Taliban members) are "propaganda against the Afghan people".

You sir are dumb as bricks.

sorry bro
you only have good english sentences and thats about it.

i can back up what i say what i stand for,you on the other hand ignore facts cuz they are not supporting your view of afghanistan.

my sources are common people in afghan village,and believe me they are much more informed than you are with the mass media around you.

furthermore,i can speak read and write pashto,dari,urdu,english.For example if cant speak/read Pashto and dari or urdu you probably have your info from second or third hand sources and your view would be through the eyes fo foreigners.