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  • #31
    Originally posted by AshrafGhaljay View Post
    LOL, the consensus in FATA and KP is opposed to the US war against the Afghan people.
    You have some serious psychological problem as indicated by your obcession with Taleban victory...I fear the dis-illusionment finally will make you commit suicide...thanks.

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    • #32
      I am presenting you facts, you are the one who is disillusioned my friend. The Taliban have already won, as the US has admitted defeat with their withdrawal, and constant request for talks.

      Majority of Afghanistan is controlled by the Taliban, and the rest is just a matter of time. Amaerica rules the skies, and all that does it antagonize people more.

      Let me also make it clear to you that it is Afghans who are opposed to the US, not just the Taliban.

      Only a delusional person would believe otherwise.

      Here’s how Afghanistan ends — America loses, Islam wins, and a new Muslim generation joins the jihad

      By mike | Published: June 10, 2011
      Two simple truisms seem appropriate these days when discussing the Afghan war: “If you don’t understand your enemy, you will lose to him” and “If you do not kill your enemies, they will surely kill you”. U.S. political, military, and civil service leaders have neither tried to understand what motivates the Taleban and its allies, nor have they tried to comprehensively kill them. As a result, they now stand at the inevitable destination — the brink of a vastly humiliating defeat that cannot be disguised.
      Following are four points that are useful to keep in mind when listening to the nonsense about a “negotiated settlement” in Afghanistan that is now flowing from the mouths of Obama, Brennan, Clinton, Levin, Petraeus, and prime ministers Cameron (UK) and Harper (Canada).
      –1.) The United States and its NATO allies already have announced their defeat at the hands of the Afghan mujahedin. The U.S. and Britain will begin withdrawing troops next month at a time when the mujahedin have the battlefield initiative; have thoroughly infiltrated Karzai’s government and military and security forces; and have ample funds, arms, and volunteers provided by their benefactors on the Arabian Peninsula.
      –2.) The Taleban have heard the U.S.-NATO coalition announce its surrender and have no reason to think there is any Western will left to fight, especially after hearing Obama whine out this week his and the West’s fatal lack of bloody mindedness in yet another weepy apology for civilian Afghan casualties. This war is absolutely a zero-sum game for the Taleban, the other mujahedin, and Pakistan — a mindset that the West believes no longer exists — and U.S.-NATO claims about likely compromise from the mujahedin’s side is no more than idle chatter meant to give Western populations hope where there is none.
      –3.) Given NATO’s near-term withdrawal, absence of Western will power, and the combat ineffectiveness of Karzai’s forces the Taleban and its allies will continue their thousand-cut campaign, and let Obama and his NATO colleagues talk amongst themselves and to their media acolytes about the equitable negotiated peace that is approaching. In addition, Pakistan’s army and intelligence services — sick of its effete Western allies’ obsessive insistence that its Pakistan’s duty bleed and win the war for them — will increase aid to the Taleban and its allies to ensure that Karzai’s regime and India’s presence in Afghanistan are in time erased after NATO retreats. Pakistan will be supported in this endeavor by Arab Peninsula regimes eager to see an Islamist government restored in Kabul that will block the extension if Shiism through Afghanistan into Central Asia.
      –4.) When the U.S.-NATO coalition withdraws or is driven out by the mujahedin, the Taleban and its allies: (a) will reestablish an Islamist government that will rule over most of the country with the same religion-based, brutal, but effective law-and-order regime that held sway on 10 September 2001, and this will be welcomed by most Afghans; (b) will wage a war of revenge against the Tajiks, Uzbeks, and Shias who were ahistorical enough to think the U.S. and its allies know how to win wars and stupid enough to support a vicious Western cultural war aimed at destroying Afghanistan’s conservative Islamic and tribal culture; and (c) will welcome al-Qaeda and other non-Afghan Islamist insurgent groups to resettle in Afghanistan, knowing full well that the West will not be back to fight, except with its usual feckless combination of threatening rhetoric and the long-failed of policy of trying to achieve victory by killing or capturing its Islamist enemies one at a time.
      One final point is worth making about the coming U.S.-NATO defeat in Afghanistan, this one in regard to the Muslim world as a whole — which now includes North America and Europe — and especially its young men. When the Red Army withdrew from Afghanistan in February, 1989, it had a galvanizing impact on Osama bin Laden’s generation of young men. For the first time in several centuries, Allah had allowed Muslims to defeat a Western power, and one of the world’s two superpowers at that. Much of the inspiration that has put mujahedin on the battlefield against the West and Israel since 1989 flowed from the defeat of the Red Army, and the Muslim world’s consequent belief that the mujahedin had destroyed the Soviet Empire.
      Even with this victory and even after the victory of 9/11, however, bin Laden, his lieutenants, and their allies found that they continued to encounter a deeply engrained defeatism among Muslims. The rhetoric of bin Laden, al-Zawahiri, and other Islamist leaders contains a clear and consistent theme that such defeatism must be overcome in each Muslim before Allah will reward His faithful with victory over their remaining enemies. In other words, the Islamists’ message to their fellow Muslims is that Allah will not help those who do not get off their behinds and help themselves. The continuity of this theme in the post-bin Laden period is apparent in al-Qaeda’s 3 June 2001, 100-minute motivational video entitled “You are responsible only for thyself.”
      It will be difficult, to be sure, to measure the worldwide galvanizing impact of the mujahedins’ Taleban-led defeat of the U.S.-NATO coalition in Afghanistan and the subsequent reestablishment of an Islamic Emirate there. But could that impact possibly be less than that which followed the Soviets’ defeat? In 1989, after all, there was no Internet and 24-hour Arabic television coverage of the Red Army’s humiliation; today such coverage is intense and ubiquitous. In addition, the mujahedin will have beaten the second superpower and its most militarily potent allies not only in Afghanistan, but in Iraq as well — something no other power on earth ever has accomplished. Most important, this accomplishment will be seen across the Islamic world as both the result of Allah’s will and His reward for those Muslims who got off their behinds to fight and defeat His and Islam’s infidel enemies.
      Overall, the decision by Western political leaders to allow their armies to be so easily and cheaply beaten in Afghanistan will have for them and their peoples very unfortunate and bloody long-term consequences.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Smarty View Post
        It seems Imran khan has establishment's back. Like shehbaz said the man has not enough and worthy canditates, at instance PTI is one man show.

        Establishment at his back how?

        I don't understand you guys on one hand you say that the establishment supports Drones and on the other hand you say that establishment is backing Imran khan who is against the drone attacks.

        The youth certainly want to see him incharge of the state.
        yao warokay ghwandi baagh ao pa khwa ye seen rawan!

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        • #34
          Originally posted by khushal View Post
          The votes in pakistan are all bought. You need money to win. thats the way it is set up by the elites so they will always be inpower.

          Khushaala, get your facts and figures straight. 100% free and fair elections aren't possible I agree but ALL BOUGHT isn't the right term that you can use.
          yao warokay ghwandi baagh ao pa khwa ye seen rawan!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by afghan View Post
            the survival of pakistan is in the destruction of afghanistan, how can pakistan survive?

            And who taught you this?
            yao warokay ghwandi baagh ao pa khwa ye seen rawan!

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Maulik View Post
              The real power always will be with Army and isi..no political party can bring significant change in policy of pakistan


              No doubt you are right, there was a time when the black people were not allowed in the American parliments today they have got a Black president. So what does this show? That we must fight for the cause to make things straight.
              yao warokay ghwandi baagh ao pa khwa ye seen rawan!

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Mostafa1919 View Post
                He is against the war? What will he do? Stop the transit routes for the Americans if elected?
                Will he stop the drones with his cricket bat?
                Yes, he is saying this so why don't we try him this time?

                Originally posted by Mostafa1919 View Post
                And how Pashtun can he be if he accepts Pakistan as his homeland?
                How Pakhtun Bacha Khan was as he accepted Pakistan as his homeland? Should I post the video again? Ghani Khan clearly stated that his father wrote to Liaquat The Firt PM of Pakistan that 'Nawabzada Sahab, my idea of Pakhtoonistan is an autonomous Pathan province within the boundaries of Pakistan'

                Originally posted by Mostafa1919 View Post
                Why are you such a beghairat and benamoos that you cheerlead for Arab, Pakistani and Middle-Eastern help to your cause but jump up and down when it comes to the modern-day Mongols aka Americans?

                It´s like a pimp differentiating between crawlers.
                Should I comment about it?
                yao warokay ghwandi baagh ao pa khwa ye seen rawan!

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                • #38
                  Imran Khan announced reorganization of PTI in Khyber-Pukhtunkhwa

                  PESHAWAR:

                  The PTI president while speaking about his party position on coming elections, said that his party will not make any alliance with any political party who’s leaders’ assets are in foreign banks.

                  Replying to a query about Karachi situation, Imran Khan said the country was faced with anarchy and further going down the same path due to some political parties adding that the Karachi situation was owing to the those political parties who had accommodated their activists in police force.

                  He added that these same political activists are facilitated massacre in Karachi.



                  Earlier addressing at a local hotel, Imran Khan announced reorganistion of PTI after dismantling current party cabinet and formed two committees for holding party elections. He on the occasion said that with change in overall situation the party is also going through some changes and therefore reoganisation was needed within the party.

                  He announced the names for organizing committee and working committee of which Justice Retd Burhanuddin will head the provincial organizing committee while other members include Rustam Shah Mohmand, Shaukat Yousafzai, Shah Farman, Omar Farooq Hoti, Dr Mehar Taj Roghani, Atif Khan, Zahid Hussain Mohmand, Atfi khan.

                  The working committee will be headed by Asad Qaiser and other members include, Shah Farman, Shaukat yousafzai, Zahid Hussain Mohmand, Tahir Khan, Khalid Masood, Dr Roghani, Omar Farooq Hoti.

                  Dr. Mateen Khan will be advisor for strategic matters while Shah Farman will look after political matter of the party in the province as advisor
                  It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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                  • #39
                    Popularity of PTI draws KP notables in


                    PESHAWAR: Growing popularity of the Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf (PTI) has attracted many prominent personalities to the party during the current year and raised the hopes of the party leadership for better results in the next general election.

                    The PTI chief Imran Khan has been so encouraged by the inflow of technocrats and politicians in his party that he foresees a clean sweep in the upcoming polls. The newcomers say they were impressed by Imran Khan’s stance on national issues and are confident that he is the one who can steer the country out of crises.

                    “Whoever doubts that Tehrik-e-Insaf will clean sweep the next election, they can bet on it,” an overconfident Imran Khan said after announcing dissolution of the party’s Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) chapter on August 2 in Peshawar. However, he made it clear that the bet must be dinner, not money.

                    “Imran Khan to a dear friend in Islamabad: “I’ve been saying PTI will sweep the next election, now if you’re a betting man, put money on it,” a twitter message apparently posted by a PTI supporter said.

                    Polls show his party’s popularity has precipitously increased. Growing number of important personalities joining PTI has also added to the party’s strength but many believe that the claim of a sweeping victory appears unconvincing. Some say Imran has misread the political situation.

                    Among the people who joined PTI are Rustam Shah Mohmand and Maj General (R) Tajul Haq who announced their affiliation with the party on March 9. The former has served as Pakistan’s ambassador to Afghanistan, chief secretary of KP (formerly called NWFP) and commissioner Afghan refugees.

                    “It’s a party that stands for truth,” Rustam Shah said when asked what prompted him to join the PTI. He said Imran Khan’s leadership was another factor that attracted him to the party. Tajul Haq, hailing from Nowshera district, has retired as Inspector General Frontier Corps.

                    Another prominent personality, Justice (R) Burhanuddin, joined the party some nine months ago. He was recently assigned by the party chairman to head a provincial organising committee that will prepare ground for holding intra-party elections within three months.

                    Dr Abdul Mateen, former vice chancellor University of Peshawar, who has specialised in economics, is said to have joined the PTI now. But a senior party member said he had been with the PTI since its inception in 1996 but remained inactive. Khalid Masood, a retired bureaucrat, was brought to the party fold in June.

                    “These people are mostly experts in education, foreign policy and health. They are the brain of the party and will be tasked to make policies for us,” said a senior leader of PTI Zahid Hussain.

                    To a question about fielding them in elections, Zahid Hussain said the party would look into that possibility. “They can be sent to the Senate,” he added. He claimed that the PTI had two to three candidates in every provincial assembly constituency, suggesting that they would be able to field candidates in all constituencies.

                    Some politicians who could be candidates in the next election have also joined PTI. Zafarullah Marwat, a former member of the provincial assembly, joined the party in July, Zahid Hussain said.

                    Omar Farooq Hoti announced his affiliation at a public meeting on July 27 in Mardan. He is the son of Khwaja Muhammad Khan Hoti, former federal minister and a dissident MNA from the Awami National Party. Omar Farooq is likely to get the party ticket in the next election from his native Mardan.

                    “The party will decide about allotment of tickets,” Omar Farooq said. “We are trying to make a winning combination. We have popular support and now we are working on finding appropriate candidates,” he added.

                    Omar Farooq said he was impressed by Imran Khan since long. He said he liked the PTI chief’s stance against corruption and the US drone attacks. He said his father, Khwaja Mohammad Khan Hoti will also join the party after Eidul Fitr.

                    Dr Mehr Taj Roghani, a paediatrician who served as provincial health minister in the Pervez Musharraf-led military government and her husband Dilawar Shah Roghani have also joined the PTI. Zahid Hussain said a number of politicians including former or current MNAs and MPAs were expected to join the party in future.
                    It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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                    • #40
                      looking at the portfolios of these people, sounds too good to be true
                      It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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                      • #41
                        does he speak pashto?

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                        • #42
                          ^ Never heard him speaking Pakhtu but many people told me that he can speak Pakhtu !!
                          yao warokay ghwandi baagh ao pa khwa ye seen rawan!

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