Swat - Talibans..

[salam]

Zargiya, their is nothing they can do to us as far as we don't allow them to do anything to us

Rorya, they use people. First they used mujahideen in kashmir and Afghanistan and other areas and then they were declared terrorists no 1.
You should at least accept this because this is now exposed to everyone.
If you don't don't about the swat situation, its not your fault because your don't belong to swat.

[Shehbaz Khan]

Salam Jaana, Than it's not their mistake, it's our mistake why we allow ourselves to be used? That's why I said that

Secondly I have been to Swat before the Operation, during the IDP's time and after the operation I've got friends and relatives over there ..

[R3SISTANC3]

For those who think that the Army operation was wrong ..



https://www.facebook.com/video/video...74225&comments

Dont just watch but actually listen. If you listened, what you see happening is the result of the operation. The guys with masks are using Swat army operation as the reason why they are about to go kill these people. They are referring to six kids being killed the same way as they are going to kill these guys during the operation by the army.

[SWATIAN]

Dont just watch but actually listen. If you listened, what you see happening is the result of the operation. The guys with masks are using Swat army operation as the reason why they are about to go kill these people. They are referring to six kids being killed the same way as they are going to kill these guys during the operation by the army.

Not during operation.but the dirty army shoot prisoners without judicial trial.

[Shehbaz Khan]

Dont just watch but actually listen. If you listened, what you see happening is the result of the operation. The guys with masks are using Swat army operation as the reason why they are about to go kill these people. They are referring to six kids being killed the same way as they are going to kill these guys during the operation by the army.

Exactly I listened to the video before sharing.. They did this even when the operation was started and before that the situation was much worse than this ..

Those who think that Talibans were installed by Pakistan Army should think for a while that if they are the friends of Pakistan Army than why are they killing these people here in the video ..

[Shehbaz Khan]

Not during operation.but the dirty army shoot prisoners without judicial trial.

If the judicial trail is necessary than how many Talibans allowed their prisoners to go through a judicial trial?

Didn't you see the video of a 18 year old talib hitting a Pakhtun elder, under which law he was allowed and in which court that elder gentleman was presented?

[salam]

Salam Jaana, Than it's not their mistake, it's our mistake why we allow ourselves to be used? That's why I said that

Secondly I have been to Swat before the Operation, during the IDP's time and after the operation I've got friends and relatives over there ..

But you should know that army teach them that you are doing this for the country and Islam. So they have been all this for the country and Islam.
They were not doing any different from the army. They were actually army men in simple dress. Still you love to punish those innocents and leave the master minds.
But its not your fault, you must have someone in the army in your family thats why you are dying for the army and protect them on every inch.
Dear, you should open your eyes. It is not only in swat but everywhere they have done blunders. They take the name of Islam and Pakistan and doing everything against Islam and Pakistan. When it comes some hard time then they leave the country. then they forget about pakistan and islam.
In real they don't love Pakistan, they just love protocol, power and money. The day they are brought down from their seats they leave the country.

They have done blunders in Bangladesh, At the end pak army was put to shame in front of the whole world, but you will not accept that.
They are doing blunders in Balochistan, They doing blunders in Pukhtunkhwa.
But you will not realize this thing unless they start thinking of separation.

[salam]

If the judicial trail is necessary than how many Talibans allowed their prisoners to go through a judicial trial?

Didn't you see the video of a 18 year old talib hitting a Pakhtun elder, under which law he was allowed and in which court that elder gentleman was presented?

Who is army or you to decide for the people whether judicial trial is necessary or not ? If this is the case then where your constitution gone ?
then what is the legal position of your president ? what is the legal position of your prime minister and what is the legal position of your army chief ?

Brother, you can not justify those killings.
If this is the case then everyone would say "according to me he should be killed"
army will say the same, police will say the same, terrorists will say the same, common man will say the same. then you should justify those killings by the so called taliban in swat because according to taliban those killings were justified and they killed none but either their enemy or the anti social elements.
So countries are not run this way. You should have some knowledge about the laws and the society.

[Shehbaz Khan]

But you should know that army teach them that you are doing this for the country and Islam. So they have been all this for the country and Islam.
They were not doing any different from the army. They were actually army men in simple dress. Still you love to punish those innocents and leave the master minds.
But its not your fault, you must have someone in the army in your family thats why you are dying for the army and protect them on every inch.
Dear, you should open your eyes. It is not only in swat but everywhere they have done blunders. They take the name of Islam and Pakistan and doing everything against Islam and Pakistan. When it comes some hard time then they leave the country. then they forget about pakistan and islam.
In real they don't love Pakistan, they just love protocol, power and money. The day they are brought down from their seats they leave the country.

They have done blunders in Bangladesh, At the end pak army was put to shame in front of the whole world, but you will not accept that.
They are doing blunders in Balochistan, They doing blunders in Pukhtunkhwa.
But you will not realize this thing unless they start thinking of separation.

I know all that, Salam Jana you are a new member here go to the politics section and go through the old threads we discussed, I accept the mistakes of Army but that doesn't allow us to put the blame of everything on Army.

The people of Swat welcomed Talibans with open hands, nobody pressurized them to do so and later the same Talibans behaved like Animals and did everything wrong they could to destroy Swat. Later the provincial govt took steps and did the peace deal and stuff but the militants were not in a mood to listen to something and as a last option the operation was conducted which was welcomed by the people of Swat.

Actually Army men in simple dress, who I am debating here, don't you know how the intelligence agencies work? You have to keep your men within their rows and Army did it.

Actually, I am not the one who don't accept that I have criticized their role at each and every level from Bangladesh to their share in the budgets.

[Shehbaz Khan]

Who is army or you to decide for the people whether judicial trial is necessary or not ? If this is the case then where your constitution gone ?
then what is the legal position of your president ? what is the legal position of your prime minister and what is the legal position of your army chief ?

Brother, you can not justify those killings.
If this is the case then everyone would say "according to me he should be killed"
army will say the same, police will say the same, terrorists will say the same, common man will say the same. then you should justify those killings by the so called taliban in swat because according to taliban those killings were justified and they killed none but either their enemy or the anti social elements.
So countries are not run this way. You should have some knowledge about the laws and the society.

Dier Kha di owayal, who am I and you to decide !! The constitution is there and it must be obeyed. You have to understand at the vary same time that whenever you are in a war zone against an enemy you don't have time to go through all these formalities of presenting in front of a judge this and that, you need quick information against the enemy.


Zargiya, I never justified those killings, my point of view at the end of the day about all such videos presented against Army was one and that was: "If those people punched hard in those videos have been with the TTP guys in doing all that **** they deserved this punishment else these soldiers of Pakistan Army are supposed to be punished in the vary same way"

I support it, and I support it conditionally not blindly

[afghan]

for those who believe the men were from paki army

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-14181938

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Taliban in Pakistan 'police killing' video



The BBC's Aleem Maqbool says the video shows policemen lined up on a hillside with their hands tied behind their backs in front of gunmen

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Footage appearing to show the execution-style killing of 16 policemen in the restive north-west of Pakistan has been released by the Taliban.
The video shows policemen lined up on a hillside with their hands tied behind their backs in front of gunmen who berate them and then open fire on them.
The incident is said to date from June when militants crossed the Afghan border and captured police.
Pakistan's army spokesman told the BBC the video appears to be authentic.
A note released alongside the video said that the policemen were captured during a cross-border raid from Afghanistan in June in Pakistan's volatile Dir district.
The bodies were discovered by locals once the militants had left. The BBC received mobile phone footage from a policeman in Dir showing local residents discovering the corpses.
Disturbing footage The area is regularly targeted by insurgents and hundreds of militants were reported to have descended upon the town of Shalato in a remote corner of Dir close to the border with Afghanistan's Kunar province.
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End Quote Maj Gen Athar Abbas Pakistani army spokesman
At least 25 Pakistani troops were also killed during the prolonged clash. The Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for that attack.
The footage released by the Taliban is disturbing. The policemen are lined up on the left with only a few moments to live.
On the right, a local Pakistani Taliban commander accuses them of being the enemies of Islam and says God wants him to punish them.
He also talks about Pakistan's security forces lining up six "children" from Swat and shooting them, referring to footage that emerged last year which appeared to show six young Taliban suspects being led into a forest and killed by soldiers - the army claims that video is fake.
Then his gunmen open fire and the men are seen collapsing as they are sprayed with bullets. Later, a militant is seen firing shots into the soldiers' heads to ensure they are all dead.
The BBC's Aleem Maqbool in Islamabad says incidents like this make Pakistan bristle with anger when it is told that it is not doing enough to fight militants. But, our correspondent adds, Pakistan's army also stands accused of abuses.
Human rights groups say there is considerable evidence that Pakistan's army has also conducted summary executions of suspected Taliban militants - an accusation the army denies.
"They are merciless terrorists and this is the threat which we are up against. We have suffered the most at the hands of al-Qaeda and its affiliates... At the same time Pakistan has delivered the most against [them]," Maj Gen Athar Abbas, Pakistan's army spokesman, told the BBC.
The army believes the attack was carried out by Pakistani Taliban fighters from Swat, who fled across the border into Afghanistan during the army's offensive there two years ago.
They have since regrouped and have been coming across the border to carry out attacks on isolated checkpoints like the one in Dir manned by the men who were killed.
Correspondents say that securing the long and porous border dividing Pakistan and Afghanistan has been a major challenge for the two countries.
Many of the militant groups that operate on either side of the border are closely linked.

[afghan]

the ones who speak and understand pashto and english, listen carefully what the comatator says? and what the man in the video says? the paki propaganda videos make its way pretty easily to international media.
there are many questions come to mind. why dont taliban kill paki army men? why always the poor police men and FC? why this all is happening when the pakies are beging for money to fight the war on terror? then again why pashtun police men were lined up? why in pashtunkhwa?

[gadoonwal]

Do you have any proofs etc etc to stand by what you just said or it's just habitual blaming Army for everything?



I don't know if they forced Swatians to get out of Swat, can you tell me about it?


First of all there is no such thing as Punjabi Army over here in Pakistan. It's Pakistan Army consisting of all the ethnic groups.
Secondly, when did they ban media? Media was there all the time


Again?? How can you say that??


Again, the foreign aid doesn't go straight to the govt of Punjab rather it is received by the Federal govt which doesn't comprise of Punjabies but Pakhtuns too. And Yes, that foreign aid was not subject to the Swat Operation conducted by Pakistan Army.


And when you accept that, you should look for the reason why they celebrate every national day, because they love this state and it's Army. It was on their 'wish' that operation was conducted.

proof,,,come on.
you as a isi spokesman on pf need proof?
you know th whole game thousands of swatains and waziri pashtuns are there to get you proof.
The entire napaki media is under control of this dirty punjabi ,,isi,,so how can they post against them.
isi killed dozens of journalists in recent time and you also know why.
i hope and wish oneday these isi agents talibs come to your village and your home so you will get a proof for their crimes.
Ofcourse they are punjabi army.The pashtuns are just their foot sodlier serving the enemy.
As long as we have pro punjabi pashtuns this war will continue.

[SWATIAN]

If the judicial trail is necessary than how many Talibans allowed their prisoners to go through a judicial trial?

Didn't you see the video of a 18 year old talib hitting a Pakhtun elder, under which law he was allowed and in which court that elder gentleman was presented?

I never supported Taliban.I hate both same.But these napak army are mostly teasing and torturing innocent People. which i have seen with my own eyes.during Taliban times there were few cases of injustice.but now during these dirty people time no justice but only injustice.

[Shehbaz Khan]

^ What do you mean by FEW? Tell me did you support all the things done by the militants in Swat? Were you happy with them?