Karachi politics: Make space for the Pashtuns

[Karachi]

How come Pashtuns in Karachi are not armed? Since MQM is killing them, and getting away with it, should they defend themselves?

The police in Karachi are all MQM. Right?

Pashtuns are in numbers, but where is the power?

actually every party is armed in Karachi and killings do happen from all sides, however i myself blame MQM more then the other because MQM are the ones who seem to start the violence trend every time, then it is followed by other parties doing the same

btw like i said in the other thread, there are two MQM's, MQM Haqaqi is said to be the real MQM, but Altaf's Hussian MQM has much more power

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

(Shebaz Khan) lives in Karachi, you on the other hand has never even stepped inside pakistan all your life, so who are you to tell us what is happening there? your opinion is worth zero value

I actually agree with Toramana. ANP does not extract extortion money from the areas where it has support, as opposed to the MQM, which not only takes away at gun-point the hides of your sacrificial animals on Eid but also kills anyone in cold blood that dares to ask for two more days to make his "payment" to the vermin Altaf. I have never heard a single case of ANP workers collecting extortion money all my life.

How come Pashtuns in Karachi are not armed? Since MQM is killing them, and getting away with it, should they defend themselves?

The police in Karachi are all MQM. Right?

Pashtuns are in numbers, but where is the power?

In most cases, the Pashtuns who are killed are fruit-vendors, laborers and tea-stall owners who work in Urdu-dominated areas of Karachi. Such men can hardly defend themselves against a terrorist organization (MQM) that has provincial and state-level backing. To make matters worse, these men are almost always completely unaware of what is happening in the rest of the city whereas as soon as one MQM insect is killed in one corner of their city, the entire city's units and sectors are notified to go out and kill every Pashtun they see. What can honest and hard-working men do against such a hate-filled and organized body of underground Mumbai criminals?

By the way, according to some, Pashtuns now represent 25% of Karachi's population. MQM was hoping to eventually end up creating its own province but its numbers have fallen down to 40-45% of the total population of Karachi.

Here, to keep in mind that there are people in Karachi who are neutral i.e., they don't support any political party among the 8million Pakhtuns living in the city 4million are neutral same is the case with most of the Urdu speakers and others. In Urdu speakers there are communities like the Nagories who are neutral as a whole that is they don't support any political party as a nation. And when there the situation is tensed 99% times these neutral people are killed. Those with political affiliations are armed and nobody can attack them. The police can't do anything about them. Like If you know about the Rehman Dakait of Liyari (PPP), Arshad Pappu (MQM) and Liaquat Bangash aka Liaquat Tension (ANP). All are saved by the police .. Rehman Dakait was killed by the Police later when he tried to put his hands on the senior officials of PPP.

I would disagree with that. I have seen that a lot of Urdu-speaking people support the MQM at some level or the other. They might not be die-hard fans of Altaf but they always ultimately admit that before Altaf, the Urduites has neither a voice nor any respect and he has given them both. In fact, after Zulfikar Mirza called these people what they really are, you should have seen the surge of Urdu "nationalism" in Karachi. Don't tell me you didn't get any of those SMS's. If you didn't I'll post some here.

Lastly, for too long has Karachi's ethnic problem been hushed up by the Pakistan Zindabad media. The fact is that even according to the HRCP, the overwhelming majority of Karachi's dead are non-affiliated with any party and they're almost exclusively Pashtun laborers and small business-owners. Their stats were released not more than a month ago. Karachi is no longer about MQM or ANP (if it ever was that anyway) but it's MQM versus Pashtuns. You live in Karachi. Do you know the attitude of any MQM person towards Pashtuns? I'd be surprised if you don't.

MQM was hoping to expand into the Seraiki belt and Baltistan. But with the war of terror by the Punjabi army and the floods of 2010, way too many Pashtuns and Sindhis have settled in Karachi for MQM's liking. Now MQM's home-city is in peril as far as winning seats is concerned. Within a decade, MQM will no longer be able to be the sole representative of Karachi. As it is, Haqiqi is making a come-back and there is a lot of support for the Jamaat, PPP and PML-N amongst the more conservative and family-oriented Urdu-speaking people. MQM is doing everything it can to delay what is only inevitable. That's why it's acting like an angry puppy.

By the way, Pashtuns and Baloch are no longer given treatment in Abassi Shaheed Hospital. If a bleeding Pashtun is taken there, he will be thrown out. If this isn't an indicator of ethnic strife then I don't know what is.

The failure of Jinnah's ideological dream that all Muslims are somehow one nation (and must live in a single nation-state) is most evident in his own city, Karachi, where one Muslim is viciously butchering another on the basis of his race and ethnicity.

[graveyardofempires]

to hell with MQM and Shahbaz type of people

[afgpower]

i read on wiki that most of these pashtuns in karachi dont speak pashto anymore? is that true? if so,why?

[afgpower]

also we are pashtuns! why dont our brothers in pakistan stand up against these people? we pashtuns have never been defeaten we should be dominant! and why are there still pashtuns in pakistan who love pakistan?? the government kills so many pashtuns and still they love pakistan wtf is wrong with them

[salam]

also we are pashtuns! why dont our brothers in pakistan stand up against these people? we pashtuns have never been defeaten we should be dominant! and why are there still pashtuns in pakistan who love pakistan?? the government kills so many pashtuns and still they love pakistan wtf is wrong with them

wahahahah.... Pakistan is not killing Pashtoon. It is actually a secular class who are killing religious Pashtoons in Pukhtunkhwa. The Karachi chapter is different, that war is based on ethnicity. Agencies are using different parties for their own motives. What problem do you have with Pakistan ? It is the army, ISI and secular thugs who have waged this war.

[Karachi]

I actually agree with Toramana. ANP does not extract extortion money from the areas where it has support, as opposed to the MQM, which not only takes away at gun-point the hides of your sacrificial animals on Eid but also kills anyone in cold blood that dares to ask for two more days to make his "payment" to the vermin Altaf. I have never heard a single case of ANP workers collecting extortion money all my life.




In most cases, the Pashtuns who are killed are fruit-vendors, laborers and tea-stall owners who work in Urdu-dominated areas of Karachi. Such men can hardly defend themselves against a terrorist organization (MQM) that has provincial and state-level backing. To make matters worse, these men are almost always completely unaware of what is happening in the rest of the city whereas as soon as one MQM insect is killed in one corner of their city, the entire city's units and sectors are notified to go out and kill every Pashtun they see. What can honest and hard-working men do against such a hate-filled and organized body of underground Mumbai criminals?

By the way, according to some, Pashtuns now represent 25% of Karachi's population. MQM was hoping to eventually end up creating its own province but its numbers have fallen down to 40-45% of the total population of Karachi.





I would disagree with that. I have seen that a lot of Urdu-speaking people support the MQM at some level or the other. They might not be die-hard fans of Altaf but they always ultimately admit that before Altaf, the Urduites has neither a voice nor any respect and he has given them both. In fact, after Zulfikar Mirza called these people what they really are, you should have seen the surge of Urdu "nationalism" in Karachi. Don't tell me you didn't get any of those SMS's. If you didn't I'll post some here.

Lastly, for too long has Karachi's ethnic problem been hushed up by the Pakistan Zindabad media. The fact is that even according to the HRCP, the overwhelming majority of Karachi's dead are non-affiliated with any party and they're almost exclusively Pashtun laborers and small business-owners. Their stats were released not more than a month ago. Karachi is no longer about MQM or ANP (if it ever was that anyway) but it's MQM versus Pashtuns. You live in Karachi. Do you know the attitude of any MQM person towards Pashtuns? I'd be surprised if you don't.

MQM was hoping to expand into the Seraiki belt and Baltistan. But with the war of terror by the Punjabi army and the floods of 2010, way too many Pashtuns and Sindhis have settled in Karachi for MQM's liking. Now MQM's home-city is in peril as far as winning seats is concerned. Within a decade, MQM will no longer be able to be the sole representative of Karachi. As it is, Haqiqi is making a come-back and there is a lot of support for the Jamaat, PPP and PML-N amongst the more conservative and family-oriented Urdu-speaking people. MQM is doing everything it can to delay what is only inevitable. That's why it's acting like an angry puppy.

By the way, Pashtuns and Baloch are no longer given treatment in Abassi Shaheed Hospital. If a bleeding Pashtun is taken there, he will be thrown out. If this isn't an indicator of ethnic strife then I don't know what is.

The failure of Jinnah's ideological dream that all Muslims are somehow one nation (and must live in a single nation-state) is most evident in his own city, Karachi, where one Muslim is viciously butchering another on the basis of his race and ethnicity.

There is no denying that MQM is the main culprit, the evidence of this is how the urduspeaker community who dont support the MQM has themselves been targetted by Altaf and his gang, my own uncle was shot by mqm in the 1990's for refusing to support MQM and voting for them, because he lived in a MQM dominated area of Karachi

Zulfiqar mirza made two remarks, one he tried to insult all of urduspeakers(which was wrong) because urduspeakers are also on other parties and many of them dont support any parties at all, but i agree with his first comment when he said Afaq ahmed (MQM Haqiqi) is the true leader of muhajir people, not Altaf. Its time mqm haqiqi comes in power and replaces this killer Altaf's party.

Also i must say onething, MQM now clearly has backup of some higher power in Pakistan, why dont you think that central government in punjab and army is not doing any thing any more?? even the media based in Lahore and Islamabad hardly says any thing about MQM

[Shehbaz Khan]

i read on wiki that most of these pashtuns in karachi dont speak pashto anymore? is that true? if so,why?

This certainly isn't the case .. Yes, those Yousufzai Indian Pakhtuns who migrated from India can't speak Pakhtu

[Shehbaz Khan]

MQM in fact the whole Mahajar i.e., Urdu-speaking community is an ethnofascist and cultural chauvinist people that consider themselves supreme that have got themselves the right to lead and rule others. They consider themselves to be the cream and the grand-papas of Pakistan and consider Karachi to be their turf. That is they the term Jinnahpur i.e. a separate province if not a separate country for Urdu speaker Mahajars.

Pashtuns have organized themselves around ANP lately (during Musharaf era who backed Muhajars ) because they didn't have any other option but to unite to defend themselves against MQM bandatory. Just as MQM is a reality so much is also its animosity towards Pashtuns. Even if ANP had not been there, the condition of Pashtuns would not be better. It would be rather worse.

And this Khaliswal Shabaz Khan is uttering non-sense. His problem is, being from Khalisa, he cannot identify himself with any one group and has one foot in one group and the other in the other. ANP is not collecting Bhutta. Bhutta collection is not in the tradition of ANP.

As Pashtuns are demanding their rights through increased political and ecnomic mobalization comminsorate with their expanded demography so are Urduwan and MQM wallas smelling snake and making noise. Obviously Pashtuns are no longer just labourerors and daily wagers in Karachi to be treated non-entities but rather have gained some influence in politics and media. And that is giving a heart-burn to Urdkukan-Indicans.


MQM cannot tolerate any other party in Karachi. Also remeber Pashtuns and Sindhis have migrated in large numbers to Karachi due to floods and violence in FATA so the demographic threat to the sons of Ganga.

And when exactly was the last time you heard of things like Jinnah Pur? Secondly it's democracy if you have greater number of people you have the right to rule? Isn't it so?

I agree that ANP is the need of the Pakhtuns of Karachi, but an organized ANP not like the current one and that's why I criticize their role all the time.

You certainly don't know anything about the politics in Karachi, whenever you visit Karachi let me know, I will make you visit shops in Pehelwan Goth where they are demanding Bhatta even from a carpenter. That's how it works.. When you don't know something you better shut up.

Certainly not, I repeat myself even the MQM under normal circumstances have got no problem with the common Pakhtuns. I've been living in Shah Faisal Colony (MQM dominated area) for the past 5years..

I'd already said that what you said in the last paragraph of your post, that MQM can't share the extortion with anyone.

[Shehbaz Khan]

That grand-son of Ranjit Singh i.e. Imran Khan who some years back was calling Altaf Hussain a muderor having killed 40 people and was demanding his repartriation from Britian and trial for crimes is now praising Altaf Hussain. Typical Indo-Punjabi sinister character.

Haha, you are completely sick, Imran Khan is still demanding the vary same.. What he actually said an year before was that If MQM leaves Bhatta Khori and Terrorism they are the same as far as books are concerned like against Wadaira Shahi etc etc.
This is like If I say, If you change your sex to a girl I will marry you does that makes me gay? :P

[Shehbaz Khan]

How come Pashtuns in Karachi are not armed? Since MQM is killing them, and getting away with it, should they defend themselves?

The police in Karachi are all MQM. Right?

Pashtuns are in numbers, but where is the power?

The police in Karachi isn't MQM I know some very highly ranked officials who are Pakhtuns from head to toe.
In numbers?

[Shehbaz Khan]

I actually agree with Toramana. ANP does not extract extortion money from the areas where it has support, as opposed to the MQM, which not only takes away at gun-point the hides of your sacrificial animals on Eid but also kills anyone in cold blood that dares to ask for two more days to make his "payment" to the vermin Altaf. I have never heard a single case of ANP workers collecting extortion money all my life.

Zalmiya you still in Karachi? Why don't you visit my place I can arrange your meetings with the business men/shop keepers of Pehelwan Goth who were threatened by ANP and ANP collected extortion from them?

In most cases, the Pashtuns who are killed are fruit-vendors, laborers and tea-stall owners who work in Urdu-dominated areas of Karachi. Such men can hardly defend themselves against a terrorist organization (MQM) that has provincial and state-level backing. To make matters worse, these men are almost always completely unaware of what is happening in the rest of the city whereas as soon as one MQM insect is killed in one corner of their city, the entire city's units and sectors are notified to go out and kill every Pashtun they see. What can honest and hard-working men do against such a hate-filled and organized body of underground Mumbai criminals?

I agree with you, that's exactly what I said, but I also added that the innocent Mohajirs are also targetted by the ANP.

By the way, according to some, Pashtuns now represent 25% of Karachi's population. MQM was hoping to eventually end up creating its own province but its numbers have fallen down to 40-45% of the total population of Karachi.

Exactly.

I would disagree with that. I have seen that a lot of Urdu-speaking people support the MQM at some level or the other. They might not be die-hard fans of Altaf but they always ultimately admit that before Altaf, the Urduites has neither a voice nor any respect and he has given them both. In fact, after Zulfikar Mirza called these people what they really are, you should have seen the surge of Urdu "nationalism" in Karachi. Don't tell me you didn't get any of those SMS's. If you didn't I'll post some here.

Haha, Zalmiya Do you think Zulfiqar Mirza said right? Puh, The problem is again the same such nationalist parties are created when you don't give the right place to a nation in your society.. So before Altaf what they had you know that?
In the same way I am not even a fan of Asfandyar but I support ANP somehow at the end of the day that without them the life of Pakhtuns in the city was not that much relaxed
Coming to the point I would recommend you to do your research again about the communities like the Nagories, who don't support MQM at all, at any level.

Lastly, for too long has Karachi's ethnic problem been hushed up by the Pakistan Zindabad media. The fact is that even according to the HRCP, the overwhelming majority of Karachi's dead are non-affiliated with any party and they're almost exclusively Pashtun laborers and small business-owners. Their stats were released not more than a month ago. Karachi is no longer about MQM or ANP (if it ever was that anyway) but it's MQM versus Pashtuns. You live in Karachi. Do you know the attitude of any MQM person towards Pashtuns? I'd be surprised if you don't.

I know, I've been in an MQM dominated area for years, I was neutral I didn't support any other party neither MQM minded my own business and yes when an MQMer started pinching me they told their own person that it was his mistake and he should apologize.

MQM was hoping to expand into the Seraiki belt and Baltistan. But with the war of terror by the Punjabi army and the floods of 2010, way too many Pashtuns and Sindhis have settled in Karachi for MQM's liking. Now MQM's home-city is in peril as far as winning seats is concerned. Within a decade, MQM will no longer be able to be the sole representative of Karachi. As it is, Haqiqi is making a come-back and there is a lot of support for the Jamaat, PPP and PML-N amongst the more conservative and family-oriented Urdu-speaking people. MQM is doing everything it can to delay what is only inevitable. That's why it's acting like an angry puppy.

It's just because of the AJK seats which were promised by Zardari and not given later the statement of Zulfiqar Mirza. Nothing more nothing less

By the way, Pashtuns and Baloch are no longer given treatment in Abassi Shaheed Hospital. If a bleeding Pashtun is taken there, he will be thrown out. If this isn't an indicator of ethnic strife then I don't know what is.

Who told you this, around six months ago when my dad was shot on leg by a few dacoits he was treated in the same hospital you are refering to.

The failure of Jinnah's ideological dream that all Muslims are somehow one nation (and must live in a single nation-state) is most evident in his own city, Karachi, where one Muslim is viciously butchering another on the basis of his race and ethnicity.

At the end of the day you grabbed Jinnah.

Regards

[graveyardofempires]

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this guy supports all the enemies of Pashtuns in pakistan
he supports isi
he supports mqm and is looking for excuses matter of fact he is "neutral" when its Pashtuns vs MQM.
he supports the army
he supports demtob
he supports every type of corruption.


this is not up for debate so stfu

[MostafaM]

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this guy supports all the enemies of Pashtuns in pakistan
he supports isi
he supports mqm and is looking for excuses matter of fact he is "neutral" when its Pashtuns vs MQM.
he supports the army
he supports demtob
he supports every type of corruption.


this is not up for debate so stfu

I love these blunt Graveyard summaries of complex topics.
Dude, although we do not share a common political world view, your words make me laugh for minutes.

Keep it up but don´t get too personal.

[Shehbaz Khan]

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this guy supports all the enemies of Pashtuns in pakistan
he supports isi
he supports mqm and is looking for excuses matter of fact he is "neutral" when its Pashtuns vs MQM.
he supports the army
he supports demtob
he supports every type of corruption.


this is not up for debate so stfu

I just don't point my finger towards other people for all the problems I and my nation are facing.

Regards