US-led raid kills 16 Afghan civilians

[MostafaM]

Well to us muslim Afghans 99% of the population Islam is our way of life so what is your problem again?

The problem is the difference between Islam as a religion exerted by individuals between them and god

AND

islam as a state ideology where religion itself, it´s practicing etc. become part of a judicial, excecutive and legislative matter between the citizens and the state!




Got it now?


Are you high on drugs or don´t you just understand what I am talking about?
This is my 4th post that almost says the same but in different words.

[graveyardofempires]

The problem is the difference between Islam as a religion exerted by individuals between them and god

AND

islam as a state ideology where religion itself, it´s practicing etc. become part of a judicial, excecutive and legislative matter between the citizens and the state!




Got it now?


Are you high on drugs or don´t you just understand what I am talking about?
This is my 4th post that almost says the same but in different words.

you are high on lies and anti Afghan propaganda.

so you want muslims to be limited to the mosques and alcohol *****s drugs and rock and roll in the government?

[MostafaM]

you are high on lies and anti Afghan propaganda.

so you want muslims to be limited to the mosques and alcohol *****s drugs and rock and roll in the government?

That´s for the people to decide.

Given the fact that the Afghan sociaty is ethnically, politically and socially diverse, there is no other way than a pluralistic approach OR a one-party-dictatorship by whoever wins the civil war.

What do you want?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Those two writers wrote on a small aspect of warfare but they did research on many occasions and wars of others, beginning with the Spartacus uprising to the Mexican Revolution.

It´s ok that you are clueless. Not everyone knows everything.

These two can write a book called "The End all and Be all of Guerila Warfare"

and it still won't make them absolute authorities on the subject

the ground realities of Afghanistan themselves the fact that Taliban operate everywhere despite suicide bombing shows that they have large local support.

It basically craps all over every theory mao and che came up with.

The reason for the support is misguided though. It is due to wahhabi ignorance promoting this idea that "people killed in a suicide attack accidentally become shahid". and other fallacies.

But regardless the support exists.

His power was purely based on the money he got from the US to built a militia to track down your countrymen who had caross the middle east to die in Afghanistan. Most of them got what they had hoped for.

Unlike you I'm not a spineless slave that needs to hide behind Imperialist manufactured identities like "country". So tricked ya there.

I'm not bothered if people who exterminate suicide bombing propagandists are exterminated , better for all Muslims everywhere.

Are you braindead or do you forget the former arguements?
Coming back and forth from secure areas to plant bombs on motorbikes and then flee across the line isn´t considered popular support.

Being in practically every part of the country and having locals help facilitate your actions is widespread support. Also the ground realities show that isn't all they're doing; they have well established shadow governments, as you yourself admitted, something that isnt done if you're hiding on bikes.

here hopefully actual facts will finally shut you up

http://www.artisresearch.com/articles/Atran_Question_of_Honour.pdf

A Matter of Honour
A key factor helping the Taliban today is the moral outrage of the Pashtun
tribes against those who would deny them autonomy of action, including a
right to bear arms to defend their tribal canon, known as Pashtunwali. Its
sacred tenets include protecting women’s purity (namus), the right to personal revenge (badal ), the sanctity of the guest (melmastia), and sanctuary (nanawati). All Pashtun tribes organise along patrilineages, where inheritance, wealth, social prestige, and political status accrue exclusively through the father's line. Within such a social structure there must not be any suspicion that the male pedigree (often traceable in lineages that span centuries) is ‘corrupted’ by doubtful paternity. hus, revenge for sexual misbehaviour (rape, adultery, abduction) warrants killing seven members of the offender’s family, as compared to cases of murder, which call for the killing of the actual murderer (or in some cases one of the murderer’s close kin).

hence evidence for popular support

I do not understanfer to you like that?
Tell me the meaning please.d your street language, what is a khezlak?
Does your Arab mother re

khezlak is a Pashto word for sissy, basically people like you

yeah you only understand words like "mordagow" because you were raised by one.

Read history and the books that I gave as reference.

And no, Pashtun (Mangal from fathers side, Zadran from my mothers side). Not everyone is like you!

you mean the ones you're too scared to actually quote from?

I know who you are Mostafa, you're on my MSN, we used to be on Afghansite, and yes you're a Mellati.

Wng.
Tow.
Y
ou hey are expats who settled down in that area. They are the locals there ndo not seem to have any clue about Afghanistan whatsoever.
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You're just saying that to save face.

You fool yourself enough.
No one else is needed for that.

says the guy who tried proving stuff with "my dad told me so"

Did you have an encounter with someone who left some marks on your soul? Do you wanna tell us about him? Who was he and what did he do to you?

That might be true if I were some ethnocentric brainwashed slave of farangayan, but I am free of such problems.

Highly mobile units on motorbikes who can travel on roads that supply lines for the troops.

which doesnt prove anything in your favor. Mobility is crucial in any guerilla war.

No Mellati here!
I am far far away from any ideology whatsoever!

Bull, Mostafa Mangal is your name I know who you are, cut the sherades.

Have you lately been in Afghanistan or the Middle East?

You must be daydreaming.
Everyone wants democracy and freedom. No one wants your "Ummah"-BS!ou

Yeah that is why the ones leading these movements in these countries are Islamists right and NOT secularists.

You seem to fall under some false dichotomy that Ummah and democracy are opposites. Islamic Ummah is their idea of democracy

I know that hurts because now you can't rape little beardless boys anymore.

But no one cares!
Internationalist ideas have been refuted.
Your case is lost!

Yeah some guy who gets his answers from his dad refuted Islam. NOT

The Arab Spring is evidence that internationalism is growing, it's movement that spread in collaboration with other Muslims between countries. Inspired by Islamists.

I don´t care if you live Treehuggistan aka La-La-Land.
My love is first for my own kind. I cannot solve the conflicts of the world if I havent solved mine first.

The ****bag who thinks commie **** are authorities on guerilla war is saying I live in Treehuggistan, yeah ok. lol

Your love isnt even FOR your own kind, your love is for some british manufactured concept of Nation State which they brainwashed you to adopt out of fear and insecurity If you really cared about Pashtuns you'd want to restore their original way of life, without country and artificial boundaries. But you've been duped.

You have created your identity!
You strongly support a historical and linguistic fraud that connects Pashto as a language and heritage with the presence of Islam brought in by Arabs.
This is not simple and it is a stupid crime to brainwash people with your Ikhwani-BS!

The difference is though, my "fraud" as you're accusing it of being; is based on the evidence we have and is consistent with it. Also I never made the claim you accuse me of; that is only your stupidity that has a hard time comprehending what you read and your desperation for straw man arguments at play. I said the ethnogenesis happened after Islam became predominant in the region, never said it was brought in by arabs or made by Arabs. That is all your own feelings of inferiority acting out as usual.

Your "fraud" has no evidence remotely in support of it; you're basing it not eve on conjecture but total fabrication. You think a man who we only know about in literature which only dates back as far as the 15th century, named Amir Kror is actually a person yet no records of his existence are given from antiquity.

and you want to talk about being brainwashed, you epitomize it

!

You sources of Ibn-This or Ibn-That are better than scientific research on world level?

Now tell me you don´t have any compleexs

first of all lets keep things in context here; in science there is a principle of sufficiency; which is evidence which is sufficient in providing an explanation. Ibn Battuta spoke persian and hence his knowledge of persian is sufficient in determining the Afghans he encountered were Persians. So stop tossing around the word science when you clearly can't apply it.

the fact you try to hide behind science when your understanding of it is poor is prime example of someone with a complex.

You're projecting your complexes on me.

Muslim by religion.
Not by ideology!
Try to impose an islamic rule on Afghans and count the bullet holes in your chest.

That's only because of lack of education and brainwashing, not intrinsic rejection of Islam.

Islamic Rule has been with Afghans for centuries; Abdali had a Shari'ah system and Islamic court

and you even showed a video of a whole village and tribe who asked the Taiban to stone some tramp to death because she ran away with some married man. Doesn't look like they were getting bullet holes to me.

If anyone here would have bullet holes between you and I, it would be you.

The Far Away Enemy is defeated already. He hasn´t realised it yet. He will leave like the other Far Away Enemies from Alexander to Obama.
The near enemy, which I would count you, too, is always there, trying to undermine a peoples heritage and language by Islam as an ideology.

Thanks for exposing your views.
I really like that.

The reason you think that is because you yourself are trying to Fabricate peoples heritage as a way to keep people divided and constantly fighting each other so you can help the REAL enemy "far away enemy" stay in power over the global fabric, by posing as some Trojan horse that supports their heritage when it's actually you who want to destroy their values and impose morally degenerate ones from imperialists.

I only exposed that you're a weak minded servant of imperialists

nothing else. glad you enjoy that, more to come

[Khaak]

Well to us muslim Afghans 99% of the population Islam is our way of life so what is your problem again?

Islam does not = to Habaa people--Taliban.

[MostafaM]

These two can write a book called "The End all and Be all of Guerila Warfare"

and it still won't make them absolute authorities on the subject

the ground realities of Afghanistan themselves the fact that Taliban operate everywhere despite suicide bombing shows that they have large local support.

It basically craps all over every theory mao and che came up with.

The reason for the support is misguided though. It is due to wahhabi ignorance promoting this idea that "people killed in a suicide attack accidentally become shahid". and other fallacies.

But regardless the support exists.

Whats your point here?

That you are absolutly no authority in military history but want to comment on that field?

Interesting.

Unlike you I'm not a spineless slave that needs to hide behind Imperialist manufactured identities like "country". So tricked ya there.

I'm not bothered if people who exterminate suicide bombing propagandists are exterminated , better for all Muslims everywhere.

Aha.
On what ground?

It´s not my fault that you lived in a shattered household with no parents available and that your uncle beat the **** out of you, dear Mahmud.
You cannot create a fake identity for yourself.

Being in practically every part of the country and having locals help facilitate your actions is widespread support. Also the ground realities show that isn't all they're doing; they have well established shadow governments, as you yourself admitted, something that isnt done if you're hiding on bikes.

here hopefully actual facts will finally shut you up


http://www.artisresearch.com/article..._of_Honour.pdf

Strange that Farangyee sources from my side are not ok, from your side it is. I smell hypocracy.

khezlak is a Pashto word for sissy, basically people like you

yeah you only understand words like "mordagow" because you were raised by one.

That coming from a little boy who has beaten and molested by his uncle. Come on, have some class man.

I know who you are Mostafa, you're on my MSN, we used to be on Afghansite, and yes you're a Mellati.

Am I?
I don´t use MSN for 4 years now. People who work tend to leave childish things behind.
Still trying to get your ecology degree?

That might be true if I were some ethnocentric brainwashed slave of farangayan, but I am free of such problems.

But you are parentless something who doen´t have any hope in life and comes online now for years to fill the vacuum inside him.
You cannot buy an ID, you get from your family.....oh sorry, you don´t have any.

Bull, Mostafa Mangal is your name I know who you are, cut the sherades.

I am Mostafa Mangal. So?
Who are you? Mahmud XY with a belly dancer mom?
Listen boy, I do not need to hide behind stuff like you.

Yeah that is why the ones leading these movements in these countries are Islamists right and NOT secularists.

You seem to fall under some false dichotomy that Ummah and democracy are opposites. Islamic Ummah is their idea of democracy

Can any party or person who does not believe in the prophethood of Mohammed be part of a political life? No!
There goes your democracy.

I know that hurts because now you can't rape little beardless boys anymore.

I don´t wanna know what you day dream about.
Your projections are mind "blowing". hahaha

The Arab Spring is evidence that internationalism is growing, it's movement that spread in collaboration with other Muslims between countries. Inspired by Islamists.

Is that why Islamist got beaten up in Tunisia recently?

Your love isnt even FOR your own kind, your love is for some british manufactured concept of Nation State which they brainwashed you to adopt out of fear and insecurity If you really cared about Pashtuns you'd want to restore their original way of life, without country and artificial boundaries. But you've been duped.

A kingdom with you as the gay king?

Nope!

The difference is though, my "fraud" as you're accusing it of being; is based on the evidence we have and is consistent with it. Also I never made the claim you accuse me of; that is only your stupidity that has a hard time comprehending what you read and your desperation for straw man arguments at play. I said the ethnogenesis happened after Islam became predominant in the region, never said it was brought in by arabs or made by Arabs. That is all your own feelings of inferiority acting out as usual.

The research about Proto-Pashto says other things.
Stop jerking off about your ontogenesis theory without any literature or source.

Islamic Rule has been with Afghans for centuries; Abdali had a Shari'ah system and Islamic court

and you even showed a video of a whole village and tribe who asked the Taiban to stone some tramp to death because she ran away with some married man. Doesn't look like they were getting bullet holes to me.

Islamic rule arrived there 1400 years ago.
Was there anything before that?
People, women, children etc.?

What does your Arab mother tell you?
She must know it.

The reason you think that is because you yourself are trying to Fabricate peoples heritage as a way to keep people divided and constantly fighting each other so you can help the REAL enemy "far away enemy" stay in power over the global fabric, by posing as some Trojan horse that supports their heritage when it's actually you who want to destroy their values and impose morally degenerate ones from imperialists.

I only exposed that you're a weak minded servant of imperialists

nothing else. glad you enjoy that, more to come

You can stay the slave boy to your Islamist internationalist mullahs. Maybe you will find a place with Sandwich Mullah Sami Ul Haq who was caught red-handed with two boys in bed.

You are part of the near enemy. No doubt about that.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Whats your point here?

That you are absolutly no authority in military history but want to comment on that field?

Interesting.

neither are these guys, neither che nor mao have degrees in the subject, their statements are as good as mine

Aha.
On what ground?

It´s not my fault that you lived in a shattered household with no parents available and that your uncle beat the **** out of you, dear Mahmud.
You cannot create a fake identity for yourself.

What shattered household? I have two parents who are happily married. I know seeking refugee status in Germany probably gives you traumatic hallucinations, but this is ridiculous. You must have cut yourself when Najib was hung.

Strange that Farangyee sources from my side are not ok, from your side it is. I smell hypocracy.

Spin Doctoring again? shame. I never said there was anything wrong with taking farangay sources. I was rather scrutinizing how you discredit Ibn Battuta's travel experiences, just because his name is "Ibn" but you take vague references from farangayan as proof. Which tells me you basically chaplous anyone who's white is you take their mere word as evidence. Now Ibn Battuta was merely explicitly describing what he witnessed BY FIRST HAND account. Trying to distort science to discredit a FIRST HAND account is pure ridiculous. It's like saying to someone who witnessed a fire that a fire didn't really occur because they didn't see the polymer chains of the substances break apart and release heat energy.

For an engineer you make too many lapses in logical consistency. You can't possibly be an engineer.

That coming from a little boy who has beaten and molested by his uncle. Come on, have some class man.

Hey you're the Ethnocentric one, I'm sure you've danced in front of men with bangri on your ankles just to feel more like a mellati. Just like a typical Mellati would.

Am I?
I don´t use MSN for 4 years now. People who work tend to leave childish things behind.
Still trying to get your ecology degree?

Hahahaa and you were trying to act like I didn't know you; I did Environmental Science degree, then I did Applied Mathematics Graduate degree.



But you are parentless something who doen´t have any hope in life and comes online now for years to fill the vacuum inside him.
You cannot buy an ID, you get from your family.....oh sorry, you don´t have any.

I am Mostafa Mangal. So?
Who are you? Mahmud XY with a belly dancer mom?
Listen boy, I do not need to hide behind stuff like you.

At least my mom doesn't let other men touch her and fondle her, than her husband, especially not German and French men much like your beloved matriarch Soraya.

Can any party or person who does not believe in the prophethood of Mohammed be part of a political life? No!
There goes your democracy.

actually yes, even in Iran, they have jewish and non-Muslim political parties. There's nothing in Islam which would ban such interest group-parties for their respective communities.

if you mean degenerate murtads like yourself, then I guess not, but then again none of these protests in the middle east advocate over turning apostasy laws. Democracy is people power, if the people want Islam that is democracy.

I don´t wanna know what you day dream about.
Your projections are mind "blowing". hahaha

The sad thing is, it's not a projection. Keep telling yourself it is though so you can ease your conscience.

Is that why Islamist got beaten up in Tunisia recently?

yeah they got beat up by crowds welcoming them back.

Thousands greet Tunisian Islamist leader's return - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

gulfnews : Re-emergence of Islamists in Tunisia

How Tunisia's Once-Suppressed Islamists Are Re-Emerging - TIME

A kingdom with you as the gay king?

Nope!

You're the one who advocates farangay secularism; if any place would have a gay king it would be yours.

but dont worry you won't ever have to worry about having to live in it, or anywhere for that matter. You'd be swatted like an annoying fly.

The research about Proto-Pashto says other things.
Stop jerking off about your ontogenesis theory without any literature or source.

You mean the research you're too afraid to show. That probably says nothing in your favor

you mean the research which is outdated and assumed Khotanese was a form of Pashto, even though they're two distinct languages.

At least rely on FRESH research not stuff done in 1960's

Islamic rule arrived there 1400 years ago.
Was there anything before that?
People, women, children etc.?

What does your Arab mother tell you?
She must know it.

Islam is here now and it is here to stay, we're the most powerful revolutionary force in the world. It was Islam that help give birth to the Pashtuns.

Pashtuns are a product of Islam.

You can stay the slave boy to your Islamist internationalist mullahs. Maybe you will find a place with Sandwich Mullah Sami Ul Haq who was caught red-handed with two boys in bed.

You are part of the near enemy. No doubt about that.

well apparently you live in a world of opposites. where you see liberation against corrupt shackles set into place by imperialism as "slavery" where as your see their hegemonic subjugation as freedom. What a distorted world your mind resides in.

Sami ul haq is one of your types; not mine, the two boys in bed is precisely the Mellati fantasy world

you're right though I'm the enemy of cronies of Imperialism such as yourself both far and near. I am ally of all Muslims though.

[MostafaM]

neither are these guys, neither che nor mao have degrees in the subject, their statements are as good as mine

Yes, since when are degrees neccessary for someone to be a specialist in a field? Their actions and their achievements speak for themselves.

What shattered household? I have two parents who are happily married. I know seeking refugee status in Germany probably gives you traumatic hallucinations, but this is ridiculous. You must have cut yourself when Najib was hung.

Oh come on Mahmud jee,
your dad is dead, you grew up with your uncle, your mommy didn´t care.
I know and many other people know you, too.
You are a failure.

Spin Doctoring again? shame. I never said there was anything wrong with taking farangay sources. I was rather scrutinizing how you discredit Ibn Battuta's travel experiences, just because his name is "Ibn" but you take vague references from farangayan as proof. Which tells me you basically chaplous anyone who's white is you take their mere word as evidence. Now Ibn Battuta was merely explicitly describing what he witnessed BY FIRST HAND account. Trying to distort science to discredit a FIRST HAND account is pure ridiculous. It's like saying to someone who witnessed a fire that a fire didn't really occur because they didn't see the polymer chains of the substances break apart and release heat energy.

A witness?
Ibn Battuta?
You only stated that Battuta called Tajiks Afghan, too.
So?
Using a wrong word in a wrong context makes him a witness to what?
Being a fag like you?

For an engineer you make too many lapses in logical consistency. You can't possibly be an engineer.

Aren´t you the jobless guy who is 24/7 online trying to portray himself as something that he is not?

I mean seriously, grow up before it´s too late.

You should try to find a decent girl in real life. You cannot fool anyone with your online-BS.

I do not need to brag with my achievements. Being an engineer is not something special. Everyone can achieve it if he/she does some hard work. Being online in 1000 forums 24/7 will hinder to achieve that.

Hey you're the Ethnocentric one, I'm sure you've danced in front of men with bangri on your ankles just to feel more like a mellati. Just like a typical Mellati would.

Stop rebranding your family stories of belly dancers and try to mock people.
People know you and your kind! Keep that in mind!

Hahahaa and you were trying to act like I didn't know you; I did Environmental Science degree, then I did Applied Mathematics Graduate degree.

And that´s the reason why participate 24/7 on online forums and do not work?
Don´t fool yourself.
You can fool others but not yourself.

At least my mom doesn't let other men touch her and fondle her, than her husband, especially not German and French men much like your beloved matriarch Soraya.

That´s exactly what belly dancers do.
They are half-time prostitutes and half-time dancers....atleast in your Yemenite circles.

actually yes, even in Iran, they have jewish and non-Muslim political parties. There's nothing in Islam which would ban such interest group-parties for their respective communities.

Actually NO!
The Iranian parlamentarians take an oath on the state and on the religious leadership. Those people have accepted Mohammed as a prophet for some political achievements or they do not state their opinions openly.
No need to lie here.

if you mean degenerate murtads like yourself, then I guess not, but then again none of these protests in the middle east advocate over turning apostasy laws. Democracy is people power, if the people want Islam that is democracy.

Sorry, a person can´t be a murtad if he didn´t believe in the first place.
Do you get the point?
Democracy is people power? And if the people want racist laws and if the people want to cut the power of the judiciary system? Is it democracy, too?
Democracies main base is pluralism. Islamic systems lack that.

yeah they got beat up by crowds welcoming them back.

Thousands greet Tunisian Islamist leader's return - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

gulfnews : Re-emergence of Islamists in Tunisia

How Tunisia's Once-Suppressed Islamists Are Re-Emerging - TIME

Conservative Muslims clash with secularists in Tunisia - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

That´s democracy as you promote?

You're the one who advocates farangay secularism; if any place would have a gay king it would be yours.

As far as we all here can see, your obsession with Ghanzarya is obvious.
The molestation by your uncle seem to have left many scars on your poor soul.

but dont worry you won't ever have to worry about having to live in it, or anywhere for that matter. You'd be swatted like an annoying fly.

Said they guy who sits 24/7 behind his computer in the US and has no relations to Afghanistan whatsoever.
Listen, tawalat-ul hemar, do you know your place in Afghanistan?
In most parts it would be 6-feet under.

You mean the research you're too afraid to show. That probably says nothing in your favor

you mean the research which is outdated and assumed Khotanese was a form of Pashto, even though they're two distinct languages.

A proto Pashto existed, that´s a well know fact. Source are mentioned above.
Your Arab-Camel theory that made Pashtuns evolve with an eastern-Aryan language and un-islamic traditions from a semitic language family and arabic culture has no proof. It´s your jerking-of-the-mind with no proof.

Islam is here now and it is here to stay, we're the most powerful revolutionary force in the world. It was Islam that help give birth to the Pashtuns.

Pashtuns adopted Islam.
Your claims are unproven idiotic claims by a jobless psychopath who cannot live with his past. Pashto has no linguistic connection to the lingua franca of islam, Arabic, and Pashtun culture has no connection to your belly dancer mom´s heritage.

well apparently you live in a world of opposites. where you see liberation against corrupt shackles set into place by imperialism as "slavery" where as your see their hegemonic subjugation as freedom. What a distorted world your mind resides in.

Stop BS!
Whenever you guy to buy stuff, you pay taxes that fills the warchest of the entity you think you are against. Since you have no job, you do not pay taxes on your income.
Liberation is liberation from every form of slavery.
Your camel-jockey-islamo ideology full of Ikhwan-ul-Gaynayeen theories are not different from any other ideology imposed on people.

Sami ul haq is one of your types; not mine, the two boys in bed is precisely the Mellati fantasy world

you're right though I'm the enemy of cronies of Imperialism such as yourself both far and near. I am ally of all Muslims though.

Sorry, Sami jan is one of your Deoband leaders.
No Mellati has crossed that fags ways so far. He supports your Taliban and your "Ummah"-BS to an extent that he exploits the religious feelings of every single Pashtun across the Durand Line.

He is one of yours, so you fill the ranks of the near enemy.
You know that, Pakistan´s ideology of promoting Islam as a unifying factor while implementing a Punjabi idea of leadership in the shadow.

Tell us more and expose yourself more.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Yes, since when are degrees neccessary for someone to be a specialist in a field? Their actions and their achievements speak for themselves.






Oh come on Mahmud jee,
your dad is dead, you grew up with your uncle, your mommy didn´t care.
I know and many other people know you, too.
You are a failure.







A witness?
Ibn Battuta?
You only stated that Battuta called Tajiks Afghan, too.
So?
Using a wrong word in a wrong context makes him a witness to what?
Being a fag like you?



Aren´t you the jobless guy who is 24/7 online trying to portray himself as something that he is not?

I mean seriously, grow up before it´s too late.

You should try to find a decent girl in real life. You cannot fool anyone with your online-BS.

I do not need to brag with my achievements. Being an engineer is not something special. Everyone can achieve it if he/she does some hard work. Being online in 1000 forums 24/7 will hinder to achieve that.





Stop rebranding your family stories of belly dancers and try to mock people.
People know you and your kind! Keep that in mind!




And that´s the reason why participate 24/7 on online forums and do not work?
Don´t fool yourself.
You can fool others but not yourself.




That´s exactly what belly dancers do.
They are half-time prostitutes and half-time dancers....atleast in your Yemenite circles.





Actually NO!
The Iranian parlamentarians take an oath on the state and on the religious leadership. Those people have accepted Mohammed as a prophet for some political achievements or they do not state their opinions openly.
No need to lie here.



Sorry, a person can´t be a murtad if he didn´t believe in the first place.
Do you get the point?
Democracy is people power? And if the people want racist laws and if the people want to cut the power of the judiciary system? Is it democracy, too?
Democracies main base is pluralism. Islamic systems lack that.






Conservative Muslims clash with secularists in Tunisia - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

That´s democracy as you promote?





As far as we all here can see, your obsession with Ghanzarya is obvious.
The molestation by your uncle seem to have left many scars on your poor soul.



Said they guy who sits 24/7 behind his computer in the US and has no relations to Afghanistan whatsoever.
Listen, tawalat-ul hemar, do you know your place in Afghanistan?
In most parts it would be 6-feet under.






A proto Pashto existed, that´s a well know fact. Source are mentioned above.
Your Arab-Camel theory that made Pashtuns evolve with an eastern-Aryan language and un-islamic traditions from a semitic language family and arabic culture has no proof. It´s your jerking-of-the-mind with no proof.





Pashtuns adopted Islam.
Your claims are unproven idiotic claims by a jobless psychopath who cannot live with his past. Pashto has no linguistic connection to the lingua franca of islam, Arabic, and Pashtun culture has no connection to your belly dancer mom´s heritage.






Stop BS!
Whenever you guy to buy stuff, you pay taxes that fills the warchest of the entity you think you are against. Since you have no job, you do not pay taxes on your income.
Liberation is liberation from every form of slavery.
Your camel-jockey-islamo ideology full of Ikhwan-ul-Gaynayeen theories are not different from any other ideology imposed on people.




Sorry, Sami jan is one of your Deoband leaders.
No Mellati has crossed that fags ways so far. He supports your Taliban and your "Ummah"-BS to an extent that he exploits the religious feelings of every single Pashtun across the Durand Line.

He is one of yours, so you fill the ranks of the near enemy.
You know that, Pakistan´s ideology of promoting Islam as a unifying factor while implementing a Punjabi idea of leadership in the shadow.

Tell us more and expose yourself more.

We've already proven 2 major points about you:

1) You have no primary source evidence. Deal with the Refsdahl quote and frontline video. Otherwise, accept you are a retard.
2) You are attempting to create a false narrative that anti Taliban Afghan historians like Dr. Kakar do not agree with. You are basically attempting to paint a picture of a legion of Arabs that invaded Afghanistan and basically fought the whole Afghan Russo War while Afghan civilians sat on the sidelines watching helplessly. The religious activation inherent to mobilizing the masses against invaders is older than the American Afghan conflict and the Russian Afghan conflict. The names Faqir e Ipi, Mullah Powindah, Amanullah and Ahmad Shah's titles as "ghazi" more than derail your idiotic and little informed narrative of Afghan history. You are basically attempting to paint a picture of an Afghanistan where there was no conservatism whatsoever and everyone was Brad Pitt or Angelina except over there. Do you get how retarded you sound?

Once again deal with the quotes, especially the part where he notes that the rural life changed little under the Taliban (the point here is not the legitimacy of the Taliban but rather the inherent religious and conservative nature of the Pashtuns:

The first is from Matthew Hoh, not an Islamist last I checked, in the nation:

www.thenation.com/article/157...-insider-talks\

" In 2001–02 we installed a government in Kabul headed by Karzai. In doing this, we backed one side in a long civil war—the more progressive-secular and urban camp, Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras, and some Pashtuns and those who live in the north and west. But it excluded one-third of Afghans, the rural, religious, traditional camp, who are Pashtuns in the south and east—which include the Taliban—whose forerunners we backed in 1980s, against the Soviets. "

I refer you to Dr. Kakar's text (an anti taliban Afghan historian) regarding how the rural Afghans functioned under the Taliban:

http://www.institute-for-afghan-stud...ntro_kakar.htm

"Although taliban have never been, until recent times, at the pinnacle of military and political power, they are not new to Afghanistan. They have been a component of the religious establishment and have always ways lived in the shadow of other military, political, and economic groups. Mullah Shor Bazar, an Afghan fighter known for inflicting heavy losses on the British during the Third Anglo-Afghan war of 1919, was also a talib, as were Mirwais Khan Hotaki, and Mullah Mushki Alam, who fought against the British occupation of Afghanistan. During the national struggle against the Soviet invaders, taliban fought alongside the Mujahideen mainly under the leadership of Mohammad Nabi, one of the seven sanctioned Mujahideen leaders in Pakistan (also known as "Peshawar Tanzeem" Leaders)."

"In reality, the traditional way of life in villages has changed little by Taliban's rule. The situation of Afghans in the countryside controlled by the Taliban has improved because of increased peace and security, giving them the opportunity to rebuild after two decades of war."

So in summary, you have not successfully proven at the Taliban are imposed (or even as imposed as NATO) or that the US presence is in any way benign.

3) Now to deal with your claim of the Arabs leading this conflict. I refer you to Dr. Michael Scheuer's biography of Osama Bin Ladin:

"Osama Bin Laden’s strong ties with the Afghan mujahedin, who alongside he fought the anti-Soviet jihad, are superseded by a realistic assessment of the Arab mujahedin’s role in Afghanistan. Bin Laden has always attributed the mujahedin victory first to Allah and then to the Afghans, a population blessed with a high morale and ready to sell their sheep to buy ammunition for their rifles. On the other hand, according to Afghan field commanders, Arab fighters were undisciplined and mostly seeking martyrdom at the earliest opportunity. The 13 years of the jihad claimed less than 500 Afghan Arabs and several hundred thousand Afghan mujahedin. Bin Laden has always admitted that the war had been won by “poor, barefooted Afghans.”"

reference to the biography by former head of CIA Alec Station Bin laden Unit Michael Scheuer

Oooops Mustafa... that Chemical Engineering degree (supposed) has gone to waste. From the last few days or so it appears that you are at least as active, if not more than SXEdge... so Id be wary of making such accusations regarding utility of one's life. You seem pretty expendable in the scheme of things.

[MostafaM]

We've already proven 2 major points about you:

1) You have no primary source evidence. Deal with the Refsdahl quote and frontline video. Otherwise, accept you are a retard.
2) You are attempting to create a false narrative that anti Taliban Afghan historians like Dr. Kakar do not agree with. You are basically attempting to paint a picture of a legion of Arabs that invaded Afghanistan and basically fought the whole Afghan Russo War while Afghan civilians sat on the sidelines watching helplessly. The religious activation inherent to mobilizing the masses against invaders is older than the American Afghan conflict and the Russian Afghan conflict. The names Faqir e Ipi, Mullah Powindah, Amanullah and Ahmad Shah's titles as "ghazi" more than derail your idiotic and little informed narrative of Afghan history. You are basically attempting to paint a picture of an Afghanistan where there was no conservatism whatsoever and everyone was Brad Pitt or Angelina except over there. Do you get how retarded you sound?

Once again deal with the quotes, especially the part where he notes that the rural life changed little under the Taliban (the point here is not the legitimacy of the Taliban but rather the inherent religious and conservative nature of the Pashtuns:

The first is from Matthew Hoh, not an Islamist last I checked, in the nation:

www.thenation.com/article/157...-insider-talks\

" In 2001–02 we installed a government in Kabul headed by Karzai. In doing this, we backed one side in a long civil war—the more progressive-secular and urban camp, Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras, and some Pashtuns and those who live in the north and west. But it excluded one-third of Afghans, the rural, religious, traditional camp, who are Pashtuns in the south and east—which include the Taliban—whose forerunners we backed in 1980s, against the Soviets. "

I refer you to Dr. Kakar's text (an anti taliban Afghan historian) regarding how the rural Afghans functioned under the Taliban:

http://www.institute-for-afghan-stud...ntro_kakar.htm

"Although taliban have never been, until recent times, at the pinnacle of military and political power, they are not new to Afghanistan. They have been a component of the religious establishment and have always ways lived in the shadow of other military, political, and economic groups. Mullah Shor Bazar, an Afghan fighter known for inflicting heavy losses on the British during the Third Anglo-Afghan war of 1919, was also a talib, as were Mirwais Khan Hotaki, and Mullah Mushki Alam, who fought against the British occupation of Afghanistan. During the national struggle against the Soviet invaders, taliban fought alongside the Mujahideen mainly under the leadership of Mohammad Nabi, one of the seven sanctioned Mujahideen leaders in Pakistan (also known as "Peshawar Tanzeem" Leaders)."

"In reality, the traditional way of life in villages has changed little by Taliban's rule. The situation of Afghans in the countryside controlled by the Taliban has improved because of increased peace and security, giving them the opportunity to rebuild after two decades of war."

So in summary, you have not successfully proven at the Taliban are imposed (or even as imposed as NATO) or that the US presence is in any way benign.

3) Now to deal with your claim of the Arabs leading this conflict. I refer you to Dr. Michael Scheuer's biography of Osama Bin Ladin:

"Osama Bin Laden’s strong ties with the Afghan mujahedin, who alongside he fought the anti-Soviet jihad, are superseded by a realistic assessment of the Arab mujahedin’s role in Afghanistan. Bin Laden has always attributed the mujahedin victory first to Allah and then to the Afghans, a population blessed with a high morale and ready to sell their sheep to buy ammunition for their rifles. On the other hand, according to Afghan field commanders, Arab fighters were undisciplined and mostly seeking martyrdom at the earliest opportunity. The 13 years of the jihad claimed less than 500 Afghan Arabs and several hundred thousand Afghan mujahedin. Bin Laden has always admitted that the war had been won by “poor, barefooted Afghans.”"

reference to the biography by former head of CIA Alec Station Bin laden Unit Michael Scheuer

Oooops Mustafa... that Chemical Engineering degree (supposed) has gone to waste. From the last few days or so it appears that you are at least as active, if not more than SXEdge... so Id be wary of making such accusations regarding utility of one's life. You seem pretty expendable in the scheme of things.

Your points were tackled in previous posts.

There is no need to play the childish game you are playing.

I am in my holidays and I do debate here. Sorry, that envious idiots like you seem to be turning green when they see someone has accomplished anything.

I would suggest, you do a topic research and see who is more active where.

And I am definitly sure he can defend himself and doesn´t need a bodyguard like you. Or maybe you are an alter ego of him? Who knows and now one cares? lol

Are you one of those other 24/7 onliners?
Seems so.



Take care!

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Here is another non Talib generated, Non Arab generated reference to the historical cycle of religiosity inherent in Pashtun struggles for independence. Thats exactly why your boy Najib got whacked... he had no idea of his own people's history... or he simply chose to ignore it at his own peril.

http://www.tribalanalysiscenter.com/...%20Mullahs.pdf

"

Invariably, when there is an emergence of extreme violence within Pashtun society, their clergy will be deeply involved. The exact opposite
is true when the Pashtuns are at peace: the mullah class is quiet and remains within its mosques and madrassas. There is a long modern history of
a pattern of opportunistic mullahs suddenly taking advantage of local or regional unrest to advance themselves over the traditional sources of tribal

governance, maliks and khans. It is this pattern of conflict between opportunists and traditionalists that lies at the foundation of much of the violence

seen among the Pashtuns."

"In all cases, the tension and instability resulted from resistance to

the goal of imposing centralized secular control – maliks and khans – over a rural, tribal periphery where the uneducated population could be rallied

quickly to the support of the emerging opportunistic mullahs claiming to represent God’s Will to people prone to believe their messages."

"

Coming from Musa Qala district in northern Helmand Province where traditional tribal influences – and the maliks and khans – remained
strong, Mullah Mohammad Nasim Akhundzada, Sher Mohammad’s uncle, set the tone for Helmand’s religious opportunists as he became a prominent
commander in Mohammad Nabi Mohammadi’s Harakat-e-Inqilab-e Islami resistance group that opposed the Soviets and the Afghan communists.
Anecdotal information suggests that he fought harder against other jihadi parties, particularly the guerrillas affiliated with Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, than

against the Soviets. But the opportunity to assert the power of the “Akhundzadas,” his religious family descended from a notable Islamic scholar, an

Akund, came with the arrival of the first of the communists."

A British Report on the Past eras of Pashtun Jihad:

"

“Yesterday, without the least warning, the attitude of the population of the Lower Swat Valley underwent a sudden change. The first news

which reached Malakand was that a disturbance had taken place at Thana, near Chakdara bridge. A few hours later further news was received that the

“mad mullah,” a priest who is apparently known locally, had gathered about him a number of armed men with the view of raising a jehad.”"

"

The Akhund of Swat had a special student, a murid named Najmuddin and later known as the “Hadda Mullah,” and he would oppose the

Afghan king, a man referred to as the “Iron Amir,” Abdur Rahman, as he also fought the British. Najmuddin picked up where his student, the Lewanai

Farir, also referred to as the “Sartor Faqir,” left off after fighting the British in previously described conflicts.

David B. Edwards, in his excellent “Heroes of the Age: Moral Fault Lines of the Afghan Frontier,” described"

REGARDING WESTERN STIMULI;

"As has been explained, the opportunist mullahs need some form of foreign provocation to rally the tribes to a common goal. Following the

end of World War I, the Greeks and their western allies provided evidence of their enmity toward the Muslim World and, once again, mullahs began

to rally their followers."

"By 1908, the Haji of Turangzai was back in Mecca a second time and when he returned to the frontier he had a new strategy to oppose the
British. He began to open schools – madrassas – in order to keep the British colonial authorities from indoctrinating young Pashtuns."

Regarding Faqir E Ipi:

"

A careful evaluation of his religious training, however, revealed an interesting connection. His

Pir, or religious guide, was Naqib of Chaharbagh

who operated a madrassa in the vicinity of Jalalabad, Afghanistan, and was one of two Jalalabad-area madrassas affiliated with the Naqshbandi-

Mujeddediyya school that was also connected with Hadda Mullah."

See Mostafa Kamal... evidence trumps idiocy (you have buckets of it) everytime. If you truly are a chemical engineer I would plead with you to stay away, far far away, from Petrol Plants... remember Mostafa... matches and Gasoline can lead to combustion of the gasoline... little lesson from freshman year Chemistry.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Your points were tackled in previous posts.

There is no need to play the childish game you are playing.

I am in my holidays and I do debate here. Sorry, that envious idiots like you seem to be turning green when they see someone has accomplished anything.

I would suggest, you do a topic research and see who is more active where.

And I am definitly sure he can defend himself and doesn´t need a bodyguard like you. Or maybe you are an alter ego of him? Who knows and now one cares? lol

Are you one of those other 24/7 onliners?
Seems so.



Take care!

Translates to: I, Mostafa, will pertend to have rebutted the points, but I merely side stepped them loooool.

Vacation = jobless?

24/7 online... the rapidity of your reponse indicates you have an aptitude to remain online.

evidence Mostafa, evidence. Otherwise, your alternative reality ceases to exist, except in your own head... sort of like the imaginery chemical engineering degree you recieved... Remember kids there is no Chemical Engineering Fairy to put a degree under your pillow lad.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

lol, envious of you? You dont even know me. You'll look idiotic when you do though. But thats how most emigres end up depicting themselves anyway.

[MostafaM]

Translates to: I, Mostafa, will pertend to have rebutted the points, but I merely side stepped them loooool.

Vacation = jobless?

24/7 online... the rapidity of your reponse indicates you have an aptitude to remain online.

evidence Mostafa, evidence. Otherwise, your alternative reality ceases to exist, except in your own head... sort of like the imaginery chemical engineering degree you recieved... Remember kids there is no Chemical Engineering Fairy to put a degree under your pillow lad.

1. That´s your opinion.

2. Vacation = transition from master programm to PhD!
(Does it hurt? )

3. I remain online for various reasons. Not all are connected to this discussion.

4. You want evidence for my degree?
You mean like, a copy of Bachelor diploma or my Master that I will get in a few days? LOL
Oh come on, fool. You really want that?
And if you get it? Will you cry then?

[BarakzaiAbdali]

1. That´s your opinion.

2. Vacation = transition from master programm to PhD!
(Does it hurt? )

3. I remain online for various reasons. Not all are connected to this discussion.

4. You want evidence for my degree?
You mean like, a copy of Bachelor diploma or my Master that I will get in a few days? LOL
Oh come on, fool. You really want that?
And if you get it? Will you cry then?

No lol, because your degrees dont matter. Do you know me? I would hesitate if I were you.

I like the transition from Vacation ---> masters ---> PhD.

To me a PhD is a rather useless degree, we MDs get them when we want to waste time. We MDs who did undergraduate work as electrical engineers also recall how useless our TAs (i.e. the PhD students) were. Welcome to the world of slave labor my friend.

For that matter Michael Scheuer has a PhD as well, and work experience dealing directly with Bin Ladin. So if I had to choose bewteen a failed chemical engineer who shouldnt be near a petrol plant versus scheuer... I think Ill take my chances with the latter. Wouldnt you Comrade Walker?

Your theory of the Arab Afghans somehow taking the Afghan population hostage is absurd. Its like going to Alabama and claiming that the religious population down there is nonexistent and that secret Tennesseans are infiltrating Alabama.

For that matter the numbers dont add up. But for someone who invents alternate histories were every pashtun man is Brad Pitt and every Pashtun woman is Angelina Jolie, what more can we expect?