Jinnah and co

[haviZsultan]

Also, there are few buyers of this Pakistani Pashtun concept in Pakistan itself. Except for a few morons from Punjab whose minds are being driven insane by the so-called Paki nationalism, people of other provinces e.g., Baluchis, Sindhis, Siraikis, most of Pashtuns and even Mahajars of Karachi believe in the indivisibility of Pashtun nation.

Toramana, your Punjab-phobia has started cracking me up.
Our people, Pashtuns have resisted so many invasions from marauding Sikhs and Akbar but seeing your phobia of Punjab I am sure you would be the first one to run when faced with these enemies.

I swear a few moments ago I was on the floor. It wasn't just you... luffy's post too (everytime i remember it about western wannabe Pashtuns like you i laugh) though they were meant to make fun of people like you. You claim only Punjabis buy into this idea of Paki Nationalism but:

و نه يم پنجابی

Will you ever understand I am not Punjabi?

Lets get back to topic. We were discussing Pakistans/Pashtuns history which includes the Ghorids, Ghaznavids, Durranis, what else? Give me some ideas here tormana.

[afghanis_hehe]

That wouldn't work my Indic friend. Pashtun/Afghan history is one and indivisible. I know you people i.e., the Indics are desperate (I know too much of Paki desperation is driving you insane to make these ridiculous claims) for heroes and would do whatever you can to run away from your Indic origin (so the fake claims of Arab, Afghan, Turk, etc. ancestry), the fact is you are completely different from us in every sense of the word including heroes ---you having Ranjit Singh, Guru Nanak, Baghat Singh, Bullai Shaha, etc. as your heroes and we, having Ahmad Shah baba, Rahman Baba, Khushal Khan, etc. as our heroes.

Every Pashtun irrespective of place of habitation takes immense pride in owning Ahmad Shah Baba, Rahman Baba, Khushal, etc and enjoy poetry of Rahman, Khushal, etc. and on the other hand have not an inkling of what Bullai Shah, Hir Ranja, etc. is all about.

Say some thing that makes sense. Don't just spit moron-ism to bring your point home.

hahaha man u r not able to understand. If i am a indic how does my face looks better than u and how am i tall 6 feet 1 inch . and most of pakistanis are the descendants of invaeders and u believe it or not u need to look at the genetics thread and go over there and serach for the other etnic group of pakistan . well u will never give up i know that .. u need to also see the pictures of direct descendants of bahadur shah zafar . they look like extremely dark indians but taht doesnt mean that they are not their children . they have mughal blood in them right . so i m quite good looking .i will be having hindu ancestry but i wil also be having other too . Maybe turkic who ruled u ...

[afghanis_hehe]

Hahaha The guy forgets that Pakistan was born at the night of Aug 14, 1947 and didn't have any existence before that date. I read an article by another Paki moron that said Pakistani contingents fought in the army Darius 550 BC (referring to Saka).

The desperation for heroes has driven these people completely insane.

and afghanistan was born 2 centuries ago .but still its a place which is 1000 times backward then pakistan who is 60 years old . http://www.afghanland.com/history/leaders/leaders.html
this is ur histiory be proud of this not the other as u dont have that .

[randolph85]

and afghanistan was born 2 centuries ago .but still its a place which is 1000 times backward then pakistan who is 60 years old . http://www.afghanland.com/history/leaders/leaders.html
this is ur histiory be proud of this not the other as u dont have that .

backwards how?

the british left behind infrastructure and functioning institutions in british india that now pakis take pride in when calling afghanistan backwards. after, you know, occupying and ruling "pakistan" for 100 years.

despite having vast natural resources, access to the sea, foreign created institutions, huge man power and close relationships with gulf arab nations and china, pakistan has a horrible economy and a pathetic per capita gdp.

[Arooj Khan]

Toramana, your Punjab-phobia has started cracking me up.
Our people, Pashtuns have resisted so many invasions from marauding Sikhs and Akbar but seeing your phobia of Punjab I am sure you would be the first one to run when faced with these enemies.

I swear a few moments ago I was on the floor. It wasn't just you... luffy's post too (everytime i remember it about western wannabe Pashtuns like you i laugh) though they were meant to make fun of people like you. You claim only Punjabis buy into this idea of Paki Nationalism but:

و نه يم پنجابی

Will you ever understand I am not Punjabi?

Lets get back to topic. We were discussing Pakistans/Pashtuns history which includes the Ghorids, Ghaznavids, Durranis, what else? Give me some ideas here tormana.

Sultan Bro ....
Who gave toramanaaaa the authority to lebel
you "punjabi" is he admin here ????
if the admin doesn't have any problem with your identity why he ????!!!!

[afghanis_hehe]

backwards how?

the british left behind infrastructure and functioning institutions in british india that now pakis take pride in when calling afghanistan backwards. after, you know, occupying and ruling "pakistan" for 100 years.

despite having vast natural resources, access to the sea, foreign created institutions, huge man power and close relationships with gulf arab nations and china, pakistan has a horrible economy and a pathetic per capita gdp.

Brother i m not saying that pakistan is advanced it is pooor yes it is poor. But when some people attack on our country then i need ti give him a reply even if it hurts him . But we as muslims are very weak brother , we are divided . u can see the example of britisher french irish , although they hate each other but they stand together against the muslims . u should abuse our governemnt not peopel. what did people do

[randolph85]

Brother i m not saying that pakistan is advanced it is pooor yes it is poor. But when some people attack on our country then i need ti give him a reply even if it hurts him . But we as muslims are very weak brother , we are divided . u can see the example of britisher french irish , although they hate each other but they stand together against the muslims . u should abuse our governemnt not peopel. what did people do

i have nothing against pakistanis, i have something against the state of pakistan and how it conducts business at home with its pashtuns and in afghanistan with those pashtuns.

[Shah-i-Kot]

Oh buhahahah

Toramana pretending to have differences with HaviSultan, Both you losers have supported the NATO war/occupation of Afghanistan and both of you support Pakistan support for it, so that makes you ..guess what, brothers!!!

Save the bs, you guys dont know the difference between an apple and an orange.

Pakistan has been selling the bloodshed of Pashtuns for $$$, allowing NATO supplies and drone attacks.

Any Muslim, forget Pashtun or non-Pashtun who supports this NATO war and Pakistan support for it under false pretext of "nationalism", is pathetic to the core. You guys are always the losers of history hahaha

[afghanis_hehe]

i have nothing against pakistanis, i have something against the state of pakistan and how it conducts business at home with its pashtuns and in afghanistan with those pashtuns.

Brother to tell u the truth its wrong to blame one ethnicity in this matter . Now look since the creation of pakistan only three or four people have been punjabis who have ruled while ayub khan , ghulam ishaq khan were pakhtuns, bhutto wa sindhi , zardari was balochi sindhi, leghari was baloch punjabi, .Now army contains only 60 percent punjabi rest of it is mostly my fellow pakistani pakhtuns. If u have something against pakistan then can u explain that why do u afghans have hate amongst ur country too like against hazaras , tajiks, uzbeks. pakistan has never stopped anybody from doing anything . there are more pakhtuns living in kaachi than in kp. its just the indian elements and our governemt that is corrupt inshallah when Imran khan will come , i hope he makes the relation between these two countries much more better. take care brother

[Shah-i-Kot]

i have nothing against pakistanis, i have something against the state of pakistan and how it conducts business at home with its pashtuns and in afghanistan with those pashtuns.

You mean to say that Pakistan has been supporting the NATO war with supply routes. Agreed.

[afghanis_hehe]

Brother to tell u the truth its wrong to blame one ethnicity in this matter . Now look since the creation of pakistan only three or four people have been punjabis who have ruled while ayub khan , ghulam ishaq khan were pakhtuns, bhutto wa sindhi , zardari was balochi sindhi, leghari was baloch punjabi, .Now army contains only 60 percent punjabi rest of it is mostly my fellow pakistani pakhtuns. If u have something against pakistan then can u explain that why do u afghans have hate amongst ur country too like against hazaras , tajiks, uzbeks. pakistan has never stopped anybody from doing anything . there are more pakhtuns living in kaachi than in kp. its just the indian elements and our governemt that is corrupt inshallah when Imran khan will come , i hope he makes the relation between these two countries much more better. take care brother

i love this forum man . i wanted to watch a movie but its so addicting that i cant find time for that .

[Shah-i-Kot]

Pakistan's great crime against Afghanistan is the support of the NATO war with supply routes.

A violation of Islamic law.

This is the biggest stain on Pakistan, for supporting the NATO war/Karzai regime in Kabul. Biggest crime against humanity and peace


Everything else anyone says is mere BS LOL

[Toramana]

I have never seen such a degenerate lot as Pakis (east of Indus excluding Sindhis and most of the Indian migrants as well) both intellect-wise and character-wise (and I think that is the main cause of Pakistan being seen as a stigmatized and undignified country universally). One can judge that from the quality of reasoning and the ridiculous claims being made here. If the entire official history and state ideology is based on fabrications, illusions and delusions, self-deception and deception of the rest of the world, the outcome is bound to be degraded.

And the more they do it, the more they look un-dignified and characterless.

In my opinion, a person or a people who is/are not honest enough to accept what he is or they are don't have any dignity or self-respect. One should accept what one is and stop making false claims or conceal or reject one's real origin.

That is it.

[afghanis_hehe]

Well me aswell i have never seen such desperate souls who are trying their level best to snatch away somebody elses piece of pride. And we are proud of our origins and u dont have to tell us about that as we know who we are . If the kings can marry locals and produce children like jahangir, shahjahan, sikandar lodhi etc then i guess there armies did not stay single too. While i know u will not accept this fact but u were the one who was writing alot of posts in Dna genetic section .Why dont u tell us how much indic u r . Do u think that u r clean of that well i have seen the table too and its reveals u to be 25 percent indic too and same goes for other ethnicities but a bit more than 25 percent may be 35 percent well u can check that table once more on which u guys have posted 41 pages .
I cant make u understand anything . U seem to think that u r pure of hindu blood but i assure u u have that so as me . Maybe i have more but i still look good and nobody can say that i m hindu looking .
I know we didnt get along but thats the part of life. opinions dont match. And one more thing be proud of those things which u have acheived not those which u havent and r just desperate to claim them too.

[haviZsultan]

In my opinion, a person or a people who is/are not honest enough to accept what he is or they are don't have any dignity or self-respect. One should accept what one is and stop making false claims or conceal or reject one's real origin.

I read this comment and you know what I did. I burst out laughing. Its as if I'm on weed except I'm not.

Tormana you have sold yourself to Afghans despite being from our side. You view Afghans as your Gods and Pakistani Pashtuns as rubbish as you have proven in your previous posts and those same Afghans think of you as a son of the British and a lesser Pashtun.

You are an example of a very confused person who does not know who he is. Is he Pashtun?-Is he Afghan? Is he British? Canadian? Or is he a long lost son of some Punjabi who only thinks he is a Pashtun?

You are unwilling to accept who you are.

We all know what we are. All of us know we are Pakistani Pashtuns. Do you? Or are you a self-hater?

Also this friend has proven that all Pashtuns who ruled were from the Pakistani Pashtun side or Pakhtunkhwa so we have the major part in any history. On one hand you claim all Pashtuns are one and now you are self-hating on your own Pakistani Pashtuns? Just look at the hypocrisy. It proves you have adopted Afghan policy of hating Pashtuns from Pakhtunkhwa even though you're one yourself. This is his comment:

Brother no ghaznavid and ghauris were turks and persian . but sher shah suri was born in multan and is pakistani pashtun . even afghan father ahmed shah baba was born in multan and is pakistani area pashtun and bahlol lodhi was born in multan tooo pakistani pashtun. heheh so u know what history afghans have is of compelte slavery under turks and persians and even hindus.

This means Afghans have effectively either been ruled by the Pakistani Pashtun or someone else.