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Originally posted by Yaggi
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I Think your commentary about Mr. Bin Ladin is out of touch with reality. If his own detractors, within the CIA recognized his insurgency capability, to the point where the CIA commented on his 1) Piety (per Scheuer's Imperial Hubris) 2) Recognized battlefield experience (per Ralph Peters) and 3) Success in mounting a 3 pronged insurgency that forces the US to spread itself thin and devote inordinate economic expenses to fighting a war of its own making... then your definition of zero indicates that you hardly understand the conflict at hand.
Regarding shacking up with his wives: Che Geuvara also had his lover with him in his initial struggles... this is merely your opinion. Per the stunning documentary by Paul Refsdahl, many Taliban commanders in the hills, e.g. Mullah Dauran have their wives and children with them.
Regarding your mansion comments, once again its another myth. The picture of the room he was killed in does not show a luxury Sealy Serta mattress:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nd-MONTHS.html
Here Central Intelligence says: "You've got to give him credit for his tradecraft."
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Militar...A-s-safe-house
What did they mean? They meant that he recognized something that Dr. Barkawai of Cambridge stated best to answer your idealistic commentary:
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...424785830.html
"When those who are weak in conventional military terms seek to fight the strong, they often do so through unconventional tactics and ruses. To do otherwise is to be stupid and risk being mown down by superior firepower."
It is rather amusing that neocons like Dr. Victor David Hanson can observe what our elitist pedigreed brethren (who fled Afghanistan in its time of need) cannot (or will not?):
"As Victor Davis Hanson comments, "we in the West call the few casualties we suffer from terrorism and surprise 'cowardly', the frightful losses we inflict through open and direct assault 'fair'.""
By your standards, General Petreaus, who has acknowledged the roots of worldwide terrorism rest in the United States's global interventionist policies,ought to resign or turn himself over to the US courts.
It would be equally absurd for Bin Ladin to have "turned himself" over to the same people he was leading an insurgency against.
There were two groups of Elites in the time of the American Revolution: Benedict Arnold's faction and the Franklin/Washington faction. The royalists were constantly lamenting why the American insurgents were creating a situation into which the British would enter and devastate the country side. They also referred to the American Continental Army as vegabonds and as an affront to civility. Nonetheless, Washington and his cadre of thinkers understood that this would be a criticism leveled against them. While he and his regulars fought open combat, he clearly strategized with the American guerillas, and brutal techniques such as scalping soldiers were utilized. Here is a commentary regarding how these loyalists (the equivalents of the Afghan upper class emigres that pollute the diaspora and did nothing for their people) viewed their contemporaries fighting the British
"Then through allowing rebels to occupy a hill overlooking Boston harbor they were forced to vacate the city, but only about 25% of the Loyalists were able to cram onto those few ships available to escape the inevitable rebel savagery. This horrible situation was a servere blow to Loyalist morale."
http://www.redcoat.me.uk/Rev-War.htm
The general attempt made by the Pakistani and the Afghan effeminite elites against the Islamist Insurgency has been:
1) Why dont they take out the Saudis first instead of bringing their war to Afghanistan
Answer: They tried and were massacred. Watch Al Jazeera's documentary on the deceased individual in question to recognize that this was repeatedly attempted. The final conclusion of the involved parties was that American firepower backed up that dictatorship and that it had to be dealt with in order to loosen the grip of the invisible hand that held up the Karzai of Arabia and the Karzai of Egypt and the Karzai of Libya.
2) Take a look at Egypt... its now a flourishing republic in the works without the need to mount an insurgency
Wrong. The Egyptians and the Syrians are fast realizing that protests and other measures have not worked adequately. Take a look at the recollections occuring in Tahrir square.
The end result of all of this my friend Yaggi?
1) Recognize reality. This war was brought to the borders of Afghanistan and Pakistan by two groups of people that ought to be held responsible: Inept elites who invited multiple powers in to the region (or served their respective interests)
2) Their sustained interventionalism created the extremely effective insurgent leadership capability in the personage of Mr. Bin Ladin.
3) The commoners on both sides of the border never stood a chance when the Karzais, Achekzais, Muhammadzais, United Front sell outs, Military elites etc decided that they, like their Iraqi counterparts, would hoist something foreign and unrepresentative onto the backs of the people. Mazerah, Shahbaz, Graveyard, and the rural folks of both Afghanistan and Pakistan had nothing to do with wanting anyone to be bombed. Quiet the contrary, just as their post Shah Iranian counterparts create a false narrative about a Camelot Court held in Tehran, where Pehlavi was some sort of King Arthur in their heads... the effeminte elites of Afghanistan that fled in teh face of the Russian juggernaut spins the same narrative about idylls of the King. Unfortunately, the pakistani elite has joined the chorus of voices, denigrating the common man as he joins an insurgency as his way to break this yolk.
4) Just as the American insurgents had their view align with France's interests, but had in now way signed on to be ruled by France... there is absolutely no proof that Mullah Omar or any of his men approved Afghanistan becoming another province of a greater Pakistan. Rather, his view on the Durand line, which was to not recognize it, worried Islamabad.
Remember, Yaggi, facts speak louder than dreams.
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