this wouldn't happen during taliban times

[sahil112]

US wont stay in afghanistan forever, infact they would gone if talibans had not engaged them. Talibans are disturbing peace and stability of afghanistan...they are causing US to stay longer...and they are doing this on behalf of intelligence agencies of pakistan, pakistan want US in afghanistan for sake of game of dollars.

so you wish for US to stay in afghanistan and meddle in our affiars? i bet your the kind of man who would let another man come to try and sort out the issues u have with your wifee, you have no honour or self respect

[Michin Khel]

Sahil i do not wish US to stay in afghanistan but there is no use of provoking them by attacking them as talibans...this is creating more disorder.
Many talibans in afghanistan are actually from pakhtunkhwa, pakistan...they are send to afghanistan by ISI.

[sahil112]

Sahil i do not wish US to stay in afghanistan but there is no use of provoking them by attacking them as talibans...this is creating more disorder.
Many talibans in afghanistan are actually from pakhtunkhwa, pakistan...they are send to afghanistan by ISI.

ahh man i lough at hw wrong you are! nt all are taliban who appose the americans

[Michin Khel]

I know many common afghans freedom fighters would join talibans as it is a only source to take revenge from occupying forces..

[unknownprince]

I know many common afghans freedom fighters would join talibans as it is a only source to take revenge from occupying forces..

Had the Afghans not fought the Soviets, they would have stayed forever.

So, no, your logic is flawed. The US will leave because of the Afghans.

[Michin Khel]

Had the Afghans not fought the Soviets, they would have stayed forever.

So, no, your logic is flawed. The US will leave because of the Afghans.

Soviets were your neighbour, US is not.

[unknownprince]

Soviets were your neighbour, US is not.

neither were the Mongols or the Greeks, neither were the British (3 times, and now a 4th). You just contradicted yourself.

and what is this "your" talk? Aren't we all one?

[Michin Khel]

neither were the Mongols or the Greeks, neither were the British (3 times, and now a 4th). You just contradicted yourself.

and what is this "your" talk? Aren't we all one?

You are from afghanistan so soviets were neighbours, not mine. Are i am wrong?. I think your were the one who said quetta is in afghanistan.
You and me belong to same ethnicities but different countries.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Luffy you are plain wrong on a major point. You are attempting to link two mutually exclusive concepts, as many critics of Pan Islamic movements do: The Taliban and ALL their motives and Pakistan's motives. Then, you interpose, on top of this a third motive attributed to the US.

I have a few questions to ask you:

1) How many Taliban are standing on the DMZ line in the Koreas?
2) How many Taliban were in the Tet insurgency?
3) How many Taliban are in Iraq?
4) How many Taliban are in the Arabian Peninsula?

Yet US presence continues unabated. Why? Hitler was wrong when he thought his was the Third Reich. The Americans have created this and we are in an era that the world will label in history as: Pax Americana. America will extend her reach as all empires do. The Taliban, like the Vietcong, are a homegrown insurgency with overlapping motives with various regional players and world powers.

While it is very true that Pakistan has motives to sustain the war for monetary benefit, the idea that a whole mass of young men, who are willing to die for a concept are simply pure executers of that policy is ridiculous.

The Taliban, in the context of the current war, and Mr. Karzai's nephew himself is now recognizing this fact, is a complex movement comprised of true believers (Mullah Omar/Zaeef), local tribal leaders that also have a religious bent (Haqqani), silent partners on the inside (e.g. likely Sayyaf) and folks with their own nonreligious motives that are labeled this:

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...225708920.html

Moreover, the Pashtuns have traditionally turned to religion as a driver force to oust invaders. The Ghazis of Amanullahs era were called Ghazis for a reason. Stephen Tanner writes extensively about the Islamist nature of past jihad movements in his lauded Military History of Afghanistan. The Tribal Analysis Center expands on this trait:

http://www.tribalanalysiscenter.com/...%20Mullahs.pdf

Now, to address why you feel this way, its rather easy:

Your father is a diplomat. Very likely you derive from an upper class background within Pakistani society. It may very well be that your father's hard work got him to where he was. However, generally, in Pakistan, breaking class structures is a very difficult thing to do. Sherpao remains in power as do the descendents of Kuli Khan Khattak and the various Durrani leaders of the region and the corrupt Arbabs.

The Taliban are a threat to the established order of things in this regard and this scares the crap out of the establishment folks. Prior to them turning their ferocity onto the Pakistan establishment (e.g. targeting the Mian guls of Swat), they were seen as religious heroes and depicted as such.

I can give 3 proofs of their religiosity and genuine distaste for Pakistan, and not being completely complicit pawns (after all, certain goals of various groups can overlap for a time and not imply completely being the same, a great example was the union between the Soviets and the Americans against Germany in WWII):

1) The Khost Bombing:
Here is a picture of H Mehsud with the Jordanian bomber that killed 7 CIA agents in Khost Province:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...cks-world.html
The Jordanian had Islamist credentials and was an AQ recruit. However, we know that H Mehsud for sure 100% has targeted Pakistani facilities. Sure doesnt smell like a Pakistani plot to me.
2) http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...for-bin-laden/
This public broadcast station documentary clearly notes how the Taliban are upset with what they call the double game being inflicted on them by Pakistan. They completely understand that Pakistan does not support them out of love for Islam... but rather to continue a war of attrition. They resent this, but know that their backward operating base is Pakistani soil.
3) If we associate the Talibans leadership with the late Mr Bin Ladin, what we know for sure is that he called on the Pakistani masses to rise up against the government. In general, these Islamist groups view Pakistan's government as a facilitator, not a friend or colleague.
4) Mullah Zaeef's own cognizance of Pakistan's duplicity toward the true success of an Islamist state:

"The Taliban doesn’t trust the Pakistanis. “Pakistan is so famous for treachery that it is said that they can get milk from a bull,” wrote Abdul Salam Zaeef, who was the ambassador to Pakistan for Afghanistan’s Taliban government until 2001. “They have two tongues in one mouth, and two faces on one head, so that they can speak everybody’s language. They use everybody, deceive everybody.”"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...4HH_story.html

So the bottom line Luffy Saib is that the elites of Pakistan, much like the elites of Afghanistan are cultivating a fib or a myth that the Taliban are foreign agents, or tools... without considering the utter lack of empiric proof or the nonsense that folks that are willing to die for their beliefs are so stupid as to die plainly for Washington to stay in Pakistan to make money.

The Pakistani media machine went into overtime characterizing the Pakistani Taliban as terrorist and threats solely because they threaten Sherpao, the Lords of Swaat, and the endless list of nonmeritocratic leaders. They are, in a sense, Robespierre's equivalent of the ruthless French revolutionaries that guillotined Louis and Marie Antoinette, who like their Pakistani counterparts, when told about the plight of the masses and the blaring inequalities inherent to Pakistani society due to these fat cats and corrupt folks established order, simply said "Let them Eat Cake!"

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

US wont stay in afghanistan forever, infact they would gone if talibans had not engaged them. Talibans are disturbing peace and stability of afghanistan...they are causing US to stay longer...and they are doing this on behalf of intelligence agencies of pakistan, pakistan want US in afghanistan for sake of game of dollars.

Luffy wrora its not that black and white

[Yaggi]

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[faye]

there were already plans afoot, for america to take over the muslim countries before 9/11. in fact, to take over the world.

[MeWrora]

are you sure of this faye? i give out jobs in kabul for america, never hear of any take over. i always hear of "we want to get out".

[randolph85]

9/11 or no 9/11, the US would of been in afghanistan.

though, i don't agree that the taliban are somehow independent of pakistans "strategic depth" policy in afghanistan. the taliban were homegrown but the same could be said of the afghan communists.

[randolph85]

are you sure of this faye? i give out jobs in kabul for america, never hear of any take over. i always hear of "we want to get out".

"we want to get out but want bases and troops to remain except we wont call them combat troops this time, we will call them support troops for the afghan government that we created, fund, protect, and support."